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Don't we already have [[Shadow Form]]?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:52, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | Don't we already have [[Shadow Form]]?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 06:52, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Sora's Heartless appear as a main atoginast the source of Bug BLock and he's a boss in coded. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | Sora's Heartless appear as a main atoginast the source of Bug BLock and he's a boss in coded. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 18:37, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
:Okay, let me put it this way. If the boss of coded is in fact Sora's own Heartless, then the pages ''will'' be merged, and [[ | :Okay, let me put it this way. If the boss of coded is in fact Sora's own Heartless, then the pages ''will'' be merged, and [[Sora's Heartless (Boss)]] probably will too.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 19:57, January 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Instead of Shadow Form maybe Sora's Heartless is a playable Character like Sora, Riku, and etc. He can be first played in the first game. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 20:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | Instead of Shadow Form maybe Sora's Heartless is a playable Character like Sora, Riku, and etc. He can be first played in the first game. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 20:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
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How do you merge an article anyway? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:33, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | How do you merge an article anyway? --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 06:33, January 16, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
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== Question about the quote == | == Question about the quote == | ||
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== Character == | == Character == | ||
He is a character in KHI like Xehanort's Heartless. I mean we all know that Lingering Sentiment is Terra but with his soul but they are still diffrent. Sora's Heartless had Sora's Heart but covered with darkness. Its the same logic with Lingering Sentiment and Sora's Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | He is a character in KHI like Xehanort's Heartless. I mean we all know that Lingering Sentiment is Terra but with his soul but they are still diffrent. Sora's Heartless had Sora's Heart but covered with darkness. Its the same logic with Lingering Sentiment and Sora's Heartless. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
Beside at that time in KHI when Sora created and become Sora's Heartless he was falling into darkness and Sora's Heartless took control until Kairi bring Sora back. Sora even commented to Kairi that when he falls into darkness he lost feeling, forget everything and etc. So this proves Sora's Heartless took control when Sora falls into darkness. So this proves that Sora's Heartless is a real character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | Beside at that time in KHI when Sora created and become Sora's Heartless he was falling into darkness and Sora's Heartless took control until Kairi bring Sora back. Sora even commented to Kairi that when he falls into darkness he lost feeling, forget everything and etc. So this proves Sora's Heartless took control when Sora falls into darkness. So this proves that Sora's Heartless is a real character. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:02, February 5, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
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Yes, it has been changed, and it should stay that way. Anything with circular definitions for opening sentences needs to be changed. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 00:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC) | Yes, it has been changed, and it should stay that way. Anything with circular definitions for opening sentences needs to be changed. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 00:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Nomura has not declared Sora's Heartless a separate character. If you believe he has, then we need acurate, trustworthy proof! Also I love how after finding defeat in one standpoint you decide to create a new problem. -_- | Nomura has not declared Sora's Heartless a separate character. If you believe he has, then we need acurate, trustworthy proof! Also I love how after finding defeat in one standpoint you decide to create a new problem. -_- | ||
Anyways, Sora's Heartless is just a branch of Sora. I won't waste time saying all these reasons to a headstrong user. But seriously, look at the facts.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 04:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | Anyways, Sora's Heartless is just a branch of Sora. I won't waste time saying all these reasons to a headstrong user. But seriously, look at the facts.--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 04:19, February 13, 2010 (UTC)� | ||
I said a frickin if!! Even if its a branch you can still call it a character just look at the nobdies Doesn't Xehanort's Heartless count as a branch of Xehanort. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:44, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | I said a frickin if!! Even if its a branch you can still call it a character just look at the nobdies Doesn't Xehanort's Heartless count as a branch of Xehanort. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 05:44, February 13, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
:Xehanort has completely lost his heart to the darkness, you know that. Come on, admit it. Sora was almost lost. Had he been totally lost, then you could make the same distinction for Xemnas and company. But you know Sora wasn't lost to the darkness. So stop beating round the bush. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 05:59, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | :Xehanort has completely lost his heart to the darkness, you know that. Come on, admit it. Sora was almost lost. Had he been totally lost, then you could make the same distinction for Xemnas and company. But you know Sora wasn't lost to the darkness. So stop beating round the bush. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 05:59, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Cococrash brought this up on my talkpage as well. I agree it is a form.-- | Cococrash brought this up on my talkpage as well. I agree it is a form.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 06:29, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Form only, but not minor character. Like Kryten said, it's a branch of Sora. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 06:37, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | :Form only, but not minor character. Like Kryten said, it's a branch of Sora. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 06:37, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
So, this disussion it over?-- | So, this disussion it over?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:53, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I'm gonna touch on this subject again, this time I'm talking to Cococrash. Judging by your comments on both here and BebopKate's talkpages you obviously didn't understand my previous comment about words. Attempting to belittle others and such will get you nowhere, it will later result in a warning for mis-wiki conduct. Be nice, okay? | I'm gonna touch on this subject again, this time I'm talking to Cococrash. Judging by your comments on both here and BebopKate's talkpages you obviously didn't understand my previous comment about words. Attempting to belittle others and such will get you nowhere, it will later result in a warning for mis-wiki conduct. Be nice, okay? | ||
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In my opinion...this whole thing is getting dangerously close to edit-war territory. | In my opinion...this whole thing is getting dangerously close to edit-war territory. And frankly, after getting a good night's sleep and re-reading through all the comments, I frankly still don't understand all of the arguments. Cococrash, I think you're making too much of the whole transformation issue, and you seem to think all of the characters have to follow the same rules, storywise. Sora has proven time and again to be one of the characters who has proven to be an exception to many rules, particularly because of his status as a main character. I would consider his Heartless state as a form, since Sora has many states of existance. I also have to ask at this point, do we have any official translations of ''coded'' to rely on the term "character" versus "form?" | ||
I will be keeping a watch on this page and the article and there had better be some resolution to this ''very'' soon. | I will be keeping a watch on this page and the article and there had better be some resolution to this ''very'' soon. Because if not, there will be pages locked and warnings handed out. {{User:BebopKate/Sig}} 18:49, February 13, 2010 (UTC) | ||
BOM BOM BBBOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!! Sorry, I really couldn't resist that one ^_^ 18:01, February 14, 2010 (UTC) [[User:ZexionTheGamer|Zexion]][[User Talk:ZexionTheGamer|The]][[User:ZexionTheGamer|Gamer]] | BOM BOM BBBOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!! Sorry, I really couldn't resist that one ^_^ 18:01, February 14, 2010 (UTC) [[User:ZexionTheGamer|Zexion]][[User Talk:ZexionTheGamer|The]][[User:ZexionTheGamer|Gamer]] | ||
:Count on me for drumbeats, Zexion. Or explosions. :P | :Count on me for drumbeats, Zexion. Or explosions.� :P | ||
:Meanwhile, thanks, guys, now that this issue is settled. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 01:45, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | :Meanwhile, thanks, guys, now that this issue is settled. <big>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#6082B6">Sulu</font>]] [[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#00B7EB">mata</font>]] [[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="#002E63">engkudu !</font>]]'''</big> 01:45, February 15, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}} | {{Saiyoku|time=06:09, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|riku=When you say Shadow Form, do you mean AntiForm? Or are we actually talking about a different subject?}} | ||
{{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}} | {{LapisScarab|time=06:12, February 15, 2010 (UTC)|text=We had a page titled "Shadow Form" for when Sora actually transformed into a Shadow and you could briefly control him. It was seperate from AntiForm.}} | ||
AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.) | AAll right, let me gather everything to end this pointless circling debate once and for all. I believe, athat having considered this extensively, I can possibly shed new light on the subject. (The only time I ever played KH was a demo in 2004 in EPCOT. Thus, speculation and clarity is about all that I can provide.) | ||
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It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | It isn't a question of Forms or Characters, it more a case of alternate personalities. [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:40, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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:Having said thus, Sora's Heartless should be left as it is. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:42, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | :Having said thus, Sora's Heartless should be left as it is. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:42, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Exactly. But for everyone who argues, just consider this: What about reading an article about Multiple Personality syndrome, and applying it to Sora's situation (taking magic into account.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | Exactly. But for everyone who argues, just consider this: What about reading an article about Multiple Personality syndrome, and applying it to Sora's situation (taking magic into account.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 02:54, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:The whole thing that blew it all out of proportion was the fact that there are pages for Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas. And all of them are treated as separate characters. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:57, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | :The whole thing that blew it all out of proportion was the fact that there are pages for Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Xehanort's Heartless and Xemnas. And all of them are treated as separate characters. {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 02:57, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I won't press thing about whether Sora's Heartless | I won't press thing about whether Sora's Heartless is a character or a form. I still think he's a character. But the part about Sora being a Heartless throughout KHI to KHII doesn't make sense. I mean he regained his body by having Kairi's light. In this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVhAr5AVZ8g in 1:55 Aqua give some of her light inside Kairi. Maybe that light restored Sora to have a body in KHI to KHII. I think that make sense but the creator didn't even comment about it. So maybe we should wait for the BBS Ultima maybe it will explain things. --[[User:Cococrash11|Cococrash11]] 03:06, March 10, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11 | ||
:True, we should wait for BBS' Ultimania. But wait ; I thought it should've been out a month after BBS' release ? o.O {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | :True, we should wait for BBS' Ultimania. But wait ; I thought it should've been out a month after BBS' release ? o.O {{User:Troisnyxetienne/Signature}} 03:21, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | ||
@cococrash- the thing about personalities is that they can be either or. that's why I consider Sora's heartless to be a personality. Sora isn't any less Sora, he just has alternate personalities, alternate personas, of a sort. Roxas is an aspect of Sora, but he's his own character. Smae of Xion, and Sora's Heartless. thogh, to be fair, I consider Sora's heartless to have appeared only in Coded. No matter what, Sora became a heartless, and ceased to be one when Roxas merged with him. I personally just call that Sora is the dominant persona, and he became a heartless. But that's my belief. I see things as clear cut, but other people don't see those. They see other stuff that I don't. So, To each his/her own. I will not argue. I just try to provide facts, and let people do with them as they will. | @cococrash- the thing about personalities is that they can be either or. that's why I consider Sora's heartless to be a personality. Sora isn't any less Sora, he just has alternate personalities, alternate personas, of a sort. Roxas is an aspect of Sora, but he's his own character. Smae of Xion, and Sora's Heartless. thogh, to be fair, I consider Sora's heartless to have appeared only in Coded. No matter what, Sora became a heartless, and ceased to be one when Roxas merged with him. I personally just call that Sora is the dominant persona, and he became a heartless. But that's my belief. I see things as clear cut, but other people don't see those. They see other stuff that I don't. So, To each his/her own. I will not argue. I just try to provide facts, and let people do with them as they will. | ||
(I'm not trying to rant here, sorry if it comes off that way.) [[User:Dragonraptyr|Dragonraptyr]] 03:33, March 10, 2010 (UTC) | |||