Editing Talk:Larxene

A few things on this article:

#Vexen had originally conspired with Marluxia and Larxene, though he was acting as a spy for Zexion and the Org.  Marluxia refers to Vexen as a traitor even.
#There is no reason to remove the details about Sora being a part in Marluxia's plot - they give context for the unusual nature of Marluxia's order to Vexen.
#The concern over Vexen was that he was going to tell Sora about "the other side" and Roxas - this was done for the Organization's purposes.

So, why the reverting of these accurate statements?  All the edits seem to do is subtract detail.  [[User:Scottch|Scottch]] 15:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
*Please see this talk page before continuing to revert without comment.  [[User:Scottch|Scottch]] 15:31, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

#His first appearance implies no such thing, simply that he's a recluse scientist who decided to lend his hand to test Riku Replica. None of his other appearances state such a thing either. "Traitor" is a reference to the fact that Vexen went against Marluxia's and thus Organization XIII's will, not because of some betrayal to the conspiracy.
#Look at the sentence. "They decide to order him to kill Sora by threatening to tell "the Superior" of the failure of the Riku Replica, even Sora's death that would ruin their plans to use him against the Organization's head members." It makes no sense, and it's not unusual with the fact that they didn't expect Vexen to succeed.
#Yes, the inital concern was over Roxas' existence. But Vexen died revealing Marluxia's plan. Read the script. Also, please prove that it was for the Organization's purposes. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 15:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)


That makes no sense.  Marluxia wouldn't consider him a traitor to the Organization because he ''wouldn't'' join Marluxia in betraying the organization.  That's circular - the "traitor" remark is certainly as a traitor to Marluzia, not the Organization.  The second sentence is missing a word and I'll fix that, but the point isn't that their orders to Vexen made sense - the point of it being against their real ends to eliminate Sora is that it caused Vexen confusion - just a contextual detail.  It's nothing big, but there's no reason to leave it out either.  As for Vexen's last words - it should be obvious it was for the Organization, because it was to reveal the traitors.  I'll combine the wordings to reduce the confusion.  [[User:Scottch|Scottch]] 16:02, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

== Weapon ==

What are everyone's thoughts on what Larxene's weapon is?

It's called knives officially I believe... as far as I know the "kunai" reference is just a comparison to kunai made by fans.  Much like calling Xemnas' blades "lightsabers" or Zexion's weapon a dictionary.  It seems like we should just go with what's official... and mention that they are often called kunai by fans?  How does that sound?  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 04:18, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

:Well many call it a Kunai due to its design. Plus the way Larxene uses them is identical to ninja using the kunai as a throwing weapon. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kunai05.jpg pic of Kunai] [[User:Fractyl2|Fractyl]]
::It may "officially" knives, but if we did everything the "official way" many articles would come into question, the fact is that her weapons are 100% kunai, they are between her fingers and thrown, knives are generally held one-at-a-time, by hand and may be thrown.[[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 21:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Are we changing it or not?[[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 05:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::What exactly do you mean "many articles would come into question"?  How could any articles about fictional people come into question by using the people who created them as the official word?  I'm not seeing anything other than what some fans think her weapons look like to support this, and that's not really enough to contradict the people who designed her as a character.  Besides, she's not the only character with an odd weapon name.  Does [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Chieftain-1.jpg this] look like Saïx's weapon to you?  Probably not, but it's still a claymore, and it wouldn't make it smart to change his weapon to "club" or something just because it makes more sense to me.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 12:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Honestly, yes. [[User:Therequiembellishere|Therequiembellishere]] 06:01, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:Fractyl, did you actually read the Wikipedia article you got that picture from? That isn't a real kunai, it's just what most people picture when they think of a kunai. Also they were ''not'' commonly used as throwing weapons. As for the weapon type thing, if they were officially referred to as knives, call them knives. If it was kunai, call them kunai. Same with Saïx's sword; if it was officially called something other than a claymore, then that's whatwe should call it. [[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 18:39, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== Axel?? ==

''She seems to be on good terms with Axel, often seen touching and even flirting with him in the new Re:CoM cutscenes. This has led some fans to believe there is more to their relationship.'' shouldn't be Marluxia instead of Axel? I don't know, I haven't played the game but it doesn't sound correct. [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 15:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Nah, it was Axel. Marluxia was her boss, and Axel and her were more on the same level. Furthermore, Marluxia doesn't make much of an appearance in the middle of the game.[[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::I always thought Larxene was Marluxia's bitch -.- [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 01:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, she COULD be, but given that she's Larxene... *cough*
but anyway, the cutscenes are of her flirting with Axel[[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 02:16, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
::::the hooker of the Org. LOL [[User:Pablo618|Pablo618]] 03:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=I still can't bring myself to think that a sadist like Larxene would '''actually''' have feelings for Axel....}}

Actually, she doesn't have any feeling ^^

I don't get how someone can think that there's something between Axel and Larxene. She's just taunting him like she does with everyone in those cutscenes! That wasn't serious flirting! [[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 04:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
--[[User:Unbirth|Unbirth]] 19:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


{{TNE|blahtext=It's pretty obvious that Larxene is a full-blooded Nobody (that was just a figure of speech, anyway). Childish demeanour, sadistic traits, excessive laughing. How can she and Axel ever click...}}

{{Flashpenny | I always thought they were a bit of an item. Sadism vs. sarcasm could go into a bit of a romance and remember, CoM came before KHII where we learned that the Organization are emotionless. Of course when Larxene called Axel a jerk I wasn't that surprised.}}

{{NinjaSheik|text=If you guys ever read the novel, Larxene told Marluxia she doesn't want a heart back. A heart brings pain. I always thought something happened to Larxene, like she used to have a boyfriend. I also thought she might've flirted with Axel, well...Just to have fun. It's obvious that she flirted with him in CoM. Still, I want really see them together besides just flirting. I dunno...Kinda hard to explain.}}

==Larxene's voice==
I don't know what she's actually saying, ( though it sounds like "because of you" ) on the Youtube clip. She says it so fast it sounds like Pikachu an electric Pokemon

Its in Japanese, "Ikazuchiyo" or lightning, basically.[[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 03:15, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

     I always thought her English voice kind of sounded like Misa Amane's off of Death Note, even her look resembles Misa's! If you don't know who I'm talking about, Google Misa Amane.

== Elena? ==

I think Larxene just may be a Nobody of the FFVII character Elena. The hair is the same, and they look a lot alike. I switched some letters around and actually got the name 'Elena' from her name. But, maybe not, there is an 'R' in her name too...hmm...
:Honestly, I believe all the Organization members are unique to Kingdom Hearts, as well as their somebodies. Otherwise, it could cause massive canon issues between KH and the original FF. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 22:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
{{ILHI|15:00, 13 September 2008 (UTC)|KH is canon to only KH. FFVII compilation is only canon to FFVII. KH is not canon to FFVII and therefore doesn't matter.}}
Na, it's not Elena. My ideal transformation of Larxene's name (without the X) turns out to be Arlene. (troisnyxetienne, 2009.01.04)

{{TNE|text=and yes, XienZo, you were right about the part where you said all Organization members are unique to Kingdom Hearts. I mean, they've gotta be - even if they bear similarities in personality to Final Fantasy characters. Otherwise Nomura might find Final Fantasy characters swarming the place and overcrowding Radiant Garden, who knows...}}
{{Twoface13|Arlene? I got Ralene.Or Lerena, Anerel, Aneler, Relena, Naleer, Reelan, Leeran, Nareel, Nerela, Aleren, Ren............I'll stop. Renale! There, I'm done! By the way, I did all of this in my head. No anagram maker.|}}

{{Template:XNamineX|text=I like Relena just because I think it sounds cool. But I like Elenra the most because it sounds even cooler =P and because it sounds like a variation of Elektra, sounds like Electric, associated with Lightning, which is Larxene's element. I like Elenra the most.}}

== 358/2 Days Video ==
Where is this supposed video of Larxene laughing at Xion's introduction?[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 18:07, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d3qWXs7oWU at 0:41. Of course, thats only a split second, but these scenes are recycled in trailers and its possible a later/previous trailer had the same scene held longer so we could actually identify what their reactions were. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 18:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Larxene didn't laugh...all I saw was the org. watching her. [[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 21:04, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:It could have been another trailer with the same scene with more focus on their reactions. I believe some blog said Larxene was laughing when Xion appeared. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 21:12, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Where's the blog?[[User:DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS|DiSlOcAtOr ChRiS]] 22:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:Here's the KHvid's translation of the blog: http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=28211 and the line is here:
o The expressions of the Org. members varies from each member. Vexen and Larxene laugh. Marluxia and Leaxus express a little anger through their eyebrows. (Tomo's note: Remember, Org. members can only fake emotion.)
Vexen then starts to move. (FF&KH notes that his chair seemed to be awfully low.)
Axel moved his hand to his mouth. [[User:XienZo|XienZo]] 23:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Videos ==

Could we please replace the videos with ones that showcase her abilities, and one for each battle? The ones we have now just show Sora repeatedly breaking her combos, which isn't very informative.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 13:48, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

== English Voice Actress ==

{{XNamineX|text=This really shouldn't be here but I want to know if I'm alone on this topic or not:
How many people '''loathe''' Larxene's voice in the english Re:CoM? I do, from what I gather on Larxene's personality, she should sound like a young, sly, but evil chick. Not a snotty, preppy, high-school bitch! I'm not trying to say Shanelle Workman-Gray is a bad voice actress, I'm saying she was the wrong choice for Larxene. Also, Marluxia, to me, sounds like a 9th grader got high one day and thought he was a king. I can just picture some stoned dude saying "All you need do is layer Sora's memories".}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Sounds perfect to me.}}

{{TNE|blahtext=The very fact that Larxene was meant to have a '''sadistic''' personality says it all. She could sound like a high-school jerk and get away with her sadism.

She sounds wonderful, if you ask me.

The only two voice actors in Re:Chain which '''do''' sound wrong, in my opinion, are Vincent Corazza (Zexion) and whoever's voicing Mickey (I'm sure it's not Wayne Allwine). Zexion sounds like he's reading Zexion's lines from a script rather than speaking them out, which makes him somewhat... over-Nobody, and Mickey sounds like a drunk version of himself trying to keep his speech as sober as possible.}}

{{HeartlessSlayer|Actually, I think maybe the problem with Mickey's acting is that since I noticed in Re:CoM, they didn't adjust the movement of the characters lips to say exactly what they're saying in english. Its still the japanese version simply being dubbed over like an anime. Who ever would've thought they would be cheap to save money by doing that huh?}}

{{TNE|text=I know it has been dubbed over the Japanese version. But come to think of it, the European releases have '''ALWAYS''' suffered the same fate (whilst the previous games were dubbed over English versions). It wouldn't make much difference to me. Imagine, I'm soon to get the English version. Once I manage to find clips of the French version on YouTube, Donald Reignoux (the voice of Sora) will have done the same thing - he'd have voiced "over" another voice, as usual.

What counts for me, though, is how they space in the dialogues. That piques my curiosity. But to me, Mickey's voice acting (in filling in the spaces between the Japanese voicing and the English voicing) is okay. It's his '''voice''' that sounds drunk.}}

== Larxene's Weapon ==

its not Knive's it a kunai if you look at your kunai and knive. kunai are taller then knives so can someone plz edit this and lock the page from being editing thank you
[[Special:Contributions/72.208.118.127|72.208.118.127]] 02:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Eliskuya
:...A kunai is just one type of knife. And knives can be a foot long, so don't tell me a kunai is always longer than a knife. Besides, I guess you're going to have to tell Tetsuya Nomura he's ''wrong'' for calling them knives, since it's only the word used to referred to them in the KH2 Ultimania.--[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 06:28, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

dose ninja's use knife's no! they use kunai. its not in the book so I am going changed it[[Special:Contributions/72.208.118.127|72.208.118.127]] 17:05, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
:Wow...you really know jack squat about ninjas. I'm guessing your basing your loud objection on the Naruto episodes you've watched?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 18:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

{{TNE|text=Guys, lemme resolve the conflict here. Both of you are right in saying what you guys had to say (only, tone it down a little, will you ?). Urutapu was right in saying that those are knives because of their length. Eliskuya was right in saying they were kunais because of the way Larxene throws them (i.e. placing them between her fingers).

Just whatever it is, let's follow what Nomura had to say, okay ? If he '''does''' change the definition of Larxene's weapons for 358/2 Days we'll switch accordingly.}}

how the heck dose a ninja use knife. its dumb they use kunai's not knife I hope someone gets this into their head[[Special:Contributions/72.208.118.127|72.208.118.127]] 02:12, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

@Troisnyxetienne: Kunai aren't held between the fingers, though, they're too thick. They're one-per-hand sort of weapons, for stabbing, not slashing. Anime, manga, and games exaggerate their usefulness as a throwing weapon, but even in fiction they're almost never used for slashing.—[[User:Urutapu|Urutapu]] 02:42, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

you don't know nothing about ninja's Urutapu. anyway Troisnyextinne. I can get on my page now. I well update the picture of xigbar. on my page talk to you soon amiga[[Special:Contributions/72.208.118.127|72.208.118.127]] 02:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

{{BebopKate|text=Fun fact: [[wikipedia:Kunai|Kunai are actually gardening trowels]].

Seriously, her weapons look like they could be very-stylized knives or very-stylized kunai.  I think you could safely call them either in this case, even if Nomura didn't exactly say the word "kunai".  Besides, if you bring those into the real world, they're going to be pretty hard to use as either anyway ("Let me grab my...OW!  ''All'' the ends are pointy!")

Come on guys, don't make me change the official wiki name to "Larxene's Awesome Sharp Pointy Electric Weapons of Awesomeness".}}

o_O; BK you are silly! I never seen ninja's use knives before this is dumb. I never seen something like this. anyway off topic amigos
::[http://web-japan.org/museum/others/ninja/ninja02/tools06_2.html These are kunai. They're pretty damn big.]
::"As with the shuriken and ninjutsu, '''the exaggeration persistent in ninja myths played a large role in creating the current pop culture image of kunai.''' In the mythology of ninja, the '''kunai is commonly portrayed to be a Japanese knife''' that is used for throwing as well as stabbing."
::"As a weapon it is larger and heavier than a shuriken, and with the grip could also be used in hand to hand combat more readily than a shuriken."
::"In addition, it could be used for climbing, as either a kind of grappling hook, or a piton.[1]"
::This is what qualifies as a knife:
:::"A knife is a handheld sharp-edged instrument consisting of a handle attached to a blade that is used for cutting. Knives were used at least two-and-a-half million years ago, as evidenced by the Oldowan tools. [1][2]"
:[[wikipedia:Stiletto|This is what Larxene uses]].
::From the above, I'm pretty sure you've never seen an actual ninja using a kunai, either, at least nothing like the type you see in Naruto, or like the knives Larxene uses. Kunai are also ''completely impossible'' to hold between the fingers like Larxene does, unlike Stilletos, which are a kind of '''knife''' virtually identical to the Shock Charms. (what's your hangup with ninjas, anyway? People only think she's like one because they think her weapon's are kunai, so it's circular reasoning)

{{XNamineX|text=Will everyone stop talking about this? Please?? There was no need to go into all thi technical talk about size and use. Some of the Organization members' weapons are nothing like their real world counterparts. Axel's chakrams are absolutly nothing like real chakrams and Saïx's claymore has some extreme diffrences from real claymores as well. The point is, there's no point in this conversation since Nomura doesn't even follow the technicallities of their weapons anyway. So just keep it as "knives" because that what it says in the Ultimania and that's the closest thing we have to official right now, OK?}}

{{TNE|text=If you insist. Well, I wasn't even close to editing anything.}}

{{BebopKate|text=Nicely convincing argument.  Knives it is, then.}}

== Attacks ==

{{Gohantalk|time=12:30|text=Does anyone know were to get the Attacks for the rest of Organization 13?}}
::The named ones are from CoM, and then there are semi-named ones from the Bradygames and Ultimania guides.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>survived intact.</small>]] 17:28, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

==Larxene's Heartless==
{{Emilyc|text=Whenever someone says Larxene's name, I can picture her wearing gothic things under her coat. I think we might see the gothic girl's Heartless in a future game. Do you think Larxene is gothic?}}

{{TNE|text=I don't know... Methinks she's more prep-school than gothic. Prep-school because of her voice.}}

{{Emilyc|text=Well, goths like evil and Larxene ''is'' evil. Goths dress spooky (more spooky than Halloween Town) and Larxene might be dressed that way when she was whole. Goths do bad stuff like littering, bulling, swearing etc and Larxene tried to kill Sora. Add that up.}}

{{TNE|blahtext=Correction : Not all goths like evil. I have a friend who's a goth and she's as sweet as ever.

If you've seen Mean Girls, you might want to equate that to Larxene. Only that Larxene does it in a more severe manner.}}

{{XNamineX|text=I don't think she's goth. I see her as one of those punky chicks that like to be wild and doesn't care what people think about her, personality-wise.}}
{{Twoface13|I think she was a hired assasin as a whole person (which explains her violent nature.)|}}

==Quotes Section==
{{Xiggie|text=Does anyone else agree that Larxenes quote section has gotten '''way''' out of hand! they're over 30 !!!

There is no need to quote almost every line she speaks!

I say we bring them down to, say, 20 tops!

anyone agree?}}

{{XNamineX|text=I agree 100% I think we should get it down to 15 or even around 10. I'll do it now.}}

{{Xiggie|takk=phew, It's a relief to see that there're only 14 now :P

we'd better watch out for any users (or anonymous IPs) who might add it again!}}

I have a question: What happened to Larxene's pic from 358/2 days?

==High Quality Days Image==
{{Guardian Soul|text=The site for 358/2 Days has been updated with a high-quality image of Larxene, and Lexaeus as well.  Just thought I'd get that out there for anyone who wants to get the renders.}}
There are also high quality images of Xaldin, Luxord and a new one of Axel with his chakrams too. I'm glad I'm not the only one to notice.

{{Bowser the Second|text=I've uploaded the Larxene one and I'll do Luxord later, but the Xaldin and Lexaeus ones are cut off. Also, I propose we use this new render as the main picture for the page because the current one only shows her face from side on.}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=I say we use all of the Days versions because they look better, and it could be seen as a way to celebrate Days on the Wiki.}}

{{Bowser the Second|text=We're already using Roxas' Days artwork for his page, so why not then?.}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Yup, it's all good.  Also, that Axel render could be cut out too.  We have a Days one, but not the one where he's holding his chakrams.}}

{{Bowser the Second|text=I did that a while ago [[File: Axel Days 2.png|150px]]}}

{{Guardian Soul|text=Oh, lovely.}}

Cool. Just try to get Xaldin and Lexaeus, please. BTW, It is possible to get a full render of Lexaeus. Get the site at full screen. Xaldin will use some work though, as you will tru to get a full render of him with his six ginsu lances.

== Weapon Names ==

Oh, Trois is gonna have a field day when she gets back.
{{TNE|blahtext=And a field day I'm going to have, indeed. I'd better get back to my books ! The rest of you, see [[Talk:Calment]] - because I have a feeling the spelling is wrong.}}

Yeah. All of her weapons are French. But I wonder what they all look like, except for Eclair, that is Larxene's default.

{{unbirthtalk|text=I just noticed that they were nammed in french. O_o

A bit weird for me to find words in my language in articles about a japanese game, on an english wiki.

I bet they won't change any of them in the french version.}}

Yeah. Maybe the person who was Larxene came from France and her name was Arlene. But when she lost her heart Xemnas found her and became Larxene. That's my theory.[[User:Winxfan1|Winxfan1]] 20:18, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

{{unbirthtalk|text=France doesn't even exist in the KH universe, it wouldn't be logical. I agree about the name, it may be Arlène (in the french version, Larxène is written with an accent)}}
Yeah. It was a theory as to why Larxene's weapon names were french.[[User:Winxfan1|Winxfan1]] 22:30, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

{{NinjaSheik|text=Actually, it kinda makes sense to me. I mean, if you ever read the Manga, you'll see Larxene reading a book called ''Marquis de Sade''. It was a book about a FRENCH sadist, rapist, and bunch of other things I forgot. If you think about, the book is in French and her weapons are in French, too! Put two and two together, and you get your answer!}}