Editing Talk:Braig

{{NitrousX|text=He looks just like Xigbar, except with an eye!! anyway we could crop and enlarge this? and are there more pictures of the apprentices?}}
{{GS|time=21:58, October 1, 2009 (UTC)|text=It's fake, as I know who created it.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Ah! You found a picture of Braig!?! Where is it!?! Let me see! Let me see!

Oh, it's a fake? That a shame. I got excited for nothing.}}
{{Template:ST|time=19:07, November 7, 2009 (UTC)|text=Although i have to say, if SE had any creativity, thats how they would make braig: xigbar with no eyepatch or scars}} 
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yeah. I was hoping to see Braig with both of his eyes. Maybe they will tell us how he got his scars.}}

We should have Xigbar's "Goldfish" quote in this pages' "Birth by sleep" section. it's funny and the only thing relevent we have at the moment.

:Could you elaborate on that? Maybe I missed something, but I have no clue what that means. [[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 03:44, October 24, 2009 (UTC)

"Of all the faces I could see, it had to be you...Why do you always have to stare at me 
like I just drowned your Goldfish?"

:I assume this is from 358/2 Days? It seems too vague to be in the article, and even then it isn't terribly relevant. All it does is reinforce that Braig has met Ven, which we already knew. [[User:LapisScarab|LapisScarab]] 04:43, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

{{Template:ST|time=18:19, November 19, 2009 (UTC)|text=I heard somewhere that Braigs pic is in the next v jump magazine. }}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Hooray!}}

{{Template:ST|time=17:58, November 20, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yay we finally have a picture of Braig, and double yay for the lack of eyepatch and scars. Now all we need is Ienzo and we have all six Apprentices}}
{{Maggosh|text=FALSE!
Sorry, I always wanted to say that. But hey! We've got Braig, and...stuff.}}
{{Maggosh|text=UPDATE! New full body render from the new scan! And it turns out Braig DOES have yellow eyes!}}
{{NinjaSheik|happy=Yeah! I saw it about 10 minutes ago! I already asked Sir GS to make a clean, good cut out of him. Lord Xiggie haven't been on lately, so I don't think he could do it.}}
{{Maggosh|text=I made a quick crop just a few minutes ago. That should suffice until then.

But I'm so fricken excited! :D Which reminds me, I'll crop and rotate that section with TAV. Do you think we can put that somewhere?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Yes, I think so.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Consider it done.
[[Image:Bbs char TAV.jpg|200px]]
Where to, sir?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Anywhere you see fit.}}
{{Maggosh|text=Added to the Worlds and Characters section of the BbS article.}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Okay, but I'm not sure KrytenKoro will approve.}}
{{Maggosh|text=*gulp* Where else, then?}}
{{NinjaSheik|text=Maybe this was a bad idea...Hmm, I don't know.}}
== Braig,wonder if HE ever killed a goldfish ==

lol,that was a funny quote,I think it was in 358/2 days,but yeah,we need pic of Braig
{{Maggosh|text=Um...we do.}}

oh well,gotta stay up to date with this thing lol

How exactly do you drown a fish?

I'm pretty sure that's not even possible...... Firaga44 05:31, December 23, 2009 (UTC)

== It's comin' ==

BraigxXigbar hentai/slash VERY soon to follow [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 09:32, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=...They're the same person...}}

That didn't stop them from making the SoraxRoxas stuff [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 15:21, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
{{Maggosh|text=But that's because they can exist as two separate entities!}}

They're still ze same person though [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:44, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Yaoi is really turning the world in a Dark Place. We can't even see a good character with an alternative self without yaoi fangirls/boys turning it into a pairing! 07:08,  January 2, 2010. Death-Messenger here, still alive and fighting.

{{LapisScarab|time=00:02, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Going a little overboard there, Death-Messenger. People are allowed to believe what they want, and it's not really all that surprising that there are a lot of yaoi pairings fans come up with in this series. There are way more males than there are females. That said, it ''is'' annoying when fans go out of their ways to pair up characters regardeless of the character's personality or the fact that ''they are the same person''.}}

It's not yaoi, it's masturbation [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 00:09, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

==Braig IS evil...==
{{ShadowXemnas|text=I have just read the translation for the new V-Jump scan at KHInsider. From what I read, Braig has kidnapped Master Xehanort and believes that he should wield the Keyblade. To what end i do not know, but I think this info should be placed on his page. I was going to, but I didn't know if that would be the best thing to do, so I've placed the info here.}}

That....sounds pretty ridiculous. Unless a better translation comes in, best not to put in anything.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 03:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Besides, Braig might be having a little fun with Terra, though I don't approve of it.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 03:09, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

== Boss page? ==

{{Maggosh|text=Should we make a Boss page for Braig, considering he's confirmed?}}

{{HarpieSirenTalk|text=I say we wait till after the game's out, so we actually have information for the page other than "He's confirmed to be a boss"}}

{{Maggosh|text=We do know he uses a Warp Snipe mode.}}

{{LapisScarab|time=22:24, December 7, 2009 (UTC)|text=That still doesn't make much of a page. Everything we know about his battle can be summed up in two sentences, so it would be best to wait until the game actually comes out.}}

{{Template:ST|time=18:04, December 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=Yeah, i noticed the Sniper thing he was doing and could not help but say to myself "Hmmmm, where have I seen this before."}}

== Some Things ==

Lol. This is so pointless, but I'm PMSing and gotta get this down. xP

So, I already know that Braig shall be my favoritest character, lol. So I expect a few things because he get's a big role in BBS.

1. Elaboration on how he got his scar and eyepatch.

2. Elaboration on whether or not he is just one of Ansem's guards now, or if he is already an Apprentice. My bet is he became an Apprentice later on. <3

3. For the boss battle with Terra to be epic.

4. For his own theme song. <333

5. A little background on him. ie: his past. But just a little.

6. Whether or not he uses darkness. It looked like he was using it in the boss battle pics, but whatever. >.>

There's probably more, but we'll see as my mind ponders it. xD

--oddishh 19:27, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

==Image==
They've posted up a high-quality render of him on the official site [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 04:32, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

{{Morghman|I just have to point out, that Braig looks freakin' awesome! I expected him to be old and weird, but he's a freakin' ninja! Bravo Square.}}

==Weapon==
{{EO|time=13:28, December 28, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Under fighting style, I wanted to create a section for his Arrowguns. I'm just not sure how I'd write it... whenever I start, I view it as not good enough.}}

==Trivia==
{{LapisScarab|time=21:34, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=The trivia section says that Braig is the only character series to receive premenant and visible body damage. That is not true, even within the Organization, Saix has his scar. I can't edit it because of the spoiler lock though.}}

The thing is, we see Braig without, and then with, his damage. All as a human. Saix is a human, then later seen as a Nobody, with the X-scar. It's entirely possible that it was one of the slight changes to accompany becoming a Nobody. Without proof, or knowing how it happened canonically, Braig is still the only one on that list. [[Special:Contributions/203.105.95.93|203.105.95.93]] 10:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

{{LapisScarab|time=23:57, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think you misunderstood me. I am not lobbying for Saix to be added to the list, I am saying that it is vague, unimportant, and incorrect trivia. A scar by definition is the result of a wound that does not fully heal, so Saix, whether it was as Isa or as a Nobody, must have been injured to gain his scar, just like Braig was injured and gained his own.}}

And that's assuming things to be true when you don't have the basis to prove it on. Nobodies are not like Humans. For all we can tell, they don't possess organs, they don't bleed, hell, beyond a lot of disturbing Rule34 pictures, they might not even be anatomically correct. They aren't reanimated humans who lost their Hearts. They are comprised of, as far as can be seen, the power of Nothingness, and an element (in the Organization member's cases). I doubt Axel went out and got facial tattoos, yet he still has those tear-drop markings on his face. In all likeliness, they just ''happened''. Becoming a Nobody has been confirmed to make changes to a Nobody, differentiating them from their Somebody. Braig was shown, as one entity, before and after. That is relevant and unique to him among all the other characters. Ergo, it seems both important AND correct to me.[[Special:Contributions/203.105.95.93|203.105.95.93]] 10:46, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

{{Xaity|[[User:Xaity|Xaity]] 20:27, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|angry=That's not true, [[Cloud]] have a bionic arm in the first Kingdom Hearts}}
{{Randomnessity|text=It's not bionic. It's just a gauntlet.}}

{{LapisScarab|time=20:35, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=@Xaity: That wasn't a bionic arm, it was just clawed armor. @anon: A Nobody is the body left over when a heart becomes a Heartless and leaves. You have no way of proving that they do not have human organs, or that they don't bleed, becaue ''no one'' in the series bleeds. In fact, while it is not definitive, I have more proof than you do that Nobodies are ''not'' made of nothingness, because it has been stated in the games that a Nobody if the physical body of a person who succumbed to the darkness. A scar is very different from a facial marking; bodily wounds don't just pop up out of nowhere because someone becomes a Nobody. Again, the trivia in question is not important to the article, and is incorrect by Saix's example.}}

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|sig=It is the fate of a Nobody...And a Heartless...Anyone who gets in the way really...
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|text= I just want to say, as I have had many conversations with a lot of my friends on the topic, that you also forgot to mention the Will factor. A Nobody is made up of a person of two catagroies. Catagorie one is where said person has a Strong Heart and a Strong will, peresumibly to live. Catagroie two is just an extention of one where said person can also willingly become one with Darkness, as in the Apprinteses case. Thats from reading the Jounals and reviewing what all the members say. A just a bit, though I hate to use this sorse, from the Manga.
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{{LapisScarab|time=22:48, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=I didn't really forget the Will part, it's just that the Body part is what the anon doesn't seem to understand.}}

From all I've seen, Nobodies are formed by when a person with a strong heart and/or will submits to, or accepts the Darkness. They lose their Heart to said Darkness, the body is cast into Nothingness, and even as Yen Sid tells us (and I quote), they are " an empty vessel whose Heart has been stolen away...a spirit that goes on even as its body fades from existence". There are some keywords in this: "empty vessels", "spirit" "as its body fades". All of this leads to the fact that they do ''not'' maintain their original body. I trust Yen Sid over any fan and what they "know".

The Dusks, Creepers, Berserkers, etc... the only differnce they have on their Organization masters, is that the Org. members' strong will allowed them to keep their forms. The "empty vessels" bit kind of tips us off that they aren't just bodies, comprised of the same goo and guts normal humans are. Every Organization member defeated fades away. They don't die, convulse, show pain. They don't have normal bodies with which to die in. To say Axel's tattoos are any different than Saix's scar at this juncture is a leap in any direction. You're imagining Axel's markings "just appeared", but Saix had to earn his X? Until it's confirmed IF and HOW Saix got it, Braig maintains the only cast member to recieve and keep his injuries.[[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 23:01, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

{{LapisScarab|time=23:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text=Saix had to "earn" his scar because ''it is a '''scar'''''. A scar does not just show up. And I repeat, this is not a conversation on what Nobodies are made of or one on whether Saix counts toward the list. The trivia is meaningless to the article. Saix/Isa has received permenant and visible body damage, we just don't know how he got it, so the trivia is incorrect as well.}}

And again, assuming things to have happened with no proof doesn't make it fact. A scar doesn't just show up. But hell, neither do TATTOOS, for crying out loud. Then again, getting my heart ripped out by a living shadow doesn't make my lifeless body jump up and start trying to long for power, either. It's a video game with a very ''lax'' sense of reality-based facts. The trivia is in no way "incorrect". Meaningless, maybe, but the fact that we KNOW how Braig recieved this permanent change to his body makes him unique, and it's an interesting fact. Hell, MOST trivia on this site is meaningless. That's the point of trivia. It's near-useless information, that doesn't fit anywhere else in the article. You might not like it. Doesn't mean it should be removed, and it sure doesn't make it any less true. Until we know ''how'' and/or ''when'' Saix got his X, Braig is unique.[[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 06:37, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

{{LapisScarab|time=06:43, January 11, 2010 (UTC)|text=Ugh, forget it. I have better things to do then argue this. You win, keep the trivia, as if the trivia sections weren't crowded enough.}}

Not sure if I'm doing this talky thing here right ... but anyways. LipisScarab is right. Braig isn't the only one to receive a permanent scar. Blah, blah, blah (I'm noty talking about Saïx).

*SPOILER* Master Eraqus received a few scars from Master Xehanort. Look at his face. *SPOILER*

There, all cleared up. [[User:Birth By Blu]] 06:04, January 12, 2010 (PST)

Then I concede and concur.  Braig AND Eraqus share this quality.  Saix does not.[[User:Edenfire|Edenfire]] 10:59, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

:I'm not going to touch the trivia, but I feel as though I must clarify once again that I was not advocating for Saix to be added to the list, I didn't think the list itself was necessary. But I digress, we'll leave it there.--'''''[[User:LapisScarab|<span style="color:navy;">Lapis of</span>]][[User talk:LapisScarab|<span style="color:darkred;">the Night</span>]]''''' 21:55, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

== How? ==

How exactly did Braig get to the Keyblade Graveyard and how did he leave?--'''''[[User:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkgreen;">Random!</span>]][[User talk:Randomnessity|<span style="color:darkblue;">to a point!</span>]]''''' 20:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

By that point in time Braig seems to have gained some powers of darkness, as his remaining eye has turned yellow (and the scene involves a zoom in onto the eye, so I guess it's important for that reason). If that's the case, he may have used a Corridor of Darkness. - [[User:Samoth|Samoth]] 21:51, January 14, 2010 (UTC)