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| "Verum" and "Falsus" are Latin for "True" and "False", respectively. Not sure what you're implying 'Versus' is about, unless you've gotten a leak about the Wave 2 DLC for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I think Cloud and Ryu's installments in WiiU/3DS were advertised as Super Smash Bros. vs Street Fighter/Final Fantasy. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 21:33, 29 February 2020 (UTC) | | "Verum" and "Falsus" are Latin for "True" and "False", respectively. Not sure what you're implying 'Versus' is about, unless you've gotten a leak about the Wave 2 DLC for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. I think Cloud and Ryu's installments in WiiU/3DS were advertised as Super Smash Bros. vs Street Fighter/Final Fantasy. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 21:33, 29 February 2020 (UTC) |
| :Versus as in Versus XIII. However, I don't think it really means anything. Then again, it's Nomura, so who knows. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC) | | :Versus as in Versus XIII. However, I don't think it really means anything. Then again, it's Nomura, so who knows. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC) |
| ::What Silent Hero said. XV was originally a Tetsuya Nomura project called Final Fantasy Versus XIII. Saying that it was stuck in "development hell" for six years would be putting it very mildly as the game suffered from both technical and story problems. Square-Enix management eventually got fed up with it, so they kicked Nomura off the project to work on KH3 while Versus was handed over to Hajime Tabata. It's also putting it extremely mellow that Nomura ''did not take that well at all''. Verum Rex is basically Nomura shoehorning his Versus XIII vision into Kingdom Hearts as a vanity project. To make it even ''more'' egregious, Famitsu (I think?) asked him about the ''numerous'' similarities between Verum Rex and V13, and Nomura was basically "They are nothing alike whatsoever." And then Re Mind's ending ends up being a SHOT FOR SHOT recreation of a Versus 13 trailer, and once more, the word salad present. VERum + FalSUS = VERSUS. He's angry, he's bitter, he's salty, and frankly it's pretty ridiculous that he's even worse than the XV haters who just can't let it go. :/ --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 23:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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| By that logic, the group name "Organization XIII" is a Lightning Saga reference, and Xion's production designation of "No. i" is an allusion to Dawn of Souls. Besides which, Versus XIII was rebranded as XV, the only thing that name refers to anymore is #WhatCouldHaveBeen [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 22:08, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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| : That's not a very good comparison. Nomura was working on Versus XIII before it changed to XV, and a lot about Verum Rex resembles Versus XIII. The ending of the secret episode is pretty much an exact copy of a trailer. That's why people look for links to Versus XIII, as they think this is Nomura implementing the original concept into KH. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:16, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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| Looking for references is all well and good, but given this wiki's refusal to acknowledge Sora waking up face-down in the Scramble Crossing across from 104 as a Reaper's Game reference, there's no reason to consider the presence of the Latin terms for both "true" and "false" as a Versus XIII reference. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 22:24, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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| :Yeah, it's definitely not something worth mentioning on the wiki. It's just some fan theory. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 23:04, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
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| ...I know I conceded the point in the moment, but on closer scrutiny "Nomura worked on XV before the rebranding" doesn't really make "true + false = Versus XIII" any more logical than "XIII = XIII". [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 04:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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| :You're.......not really getting it. Whatsoever. --[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 04:49, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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| You're assuming that the presence of the Latin words for both "true" and "false" is somehow a reference to the production name for XV. I don't see how that's any less of a leap than assuming the presence of the Roman numeral for thirteen is a reference to a game with the Roman numeral for XIII (which, I will reiterate, I mentioned as a theoretical comparison). Furthermore, you seem to be acting like (a) Nomura is the first person to reference an abandoned/reworked project in a later work, and (b) that there's anything wrong with so doing. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 23:50, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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| :...[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1d3EAEtgF0 Uhhh....okay, then.]]--[[User:Samoa Joe|Samoa Joe]] ([[User talk:Samoa Joe|talk]]) 00:17, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| I know you're trying to be sarcastic, but my connection is apparently Mulch enough that I don't even get the ''name'' of the video, let alone load enough for me to see what it's supposed to contain, so forgive me for not being able to acknowledge. In any case, I will concede the recreation of the trailer in the secret ending as a preproduction reference, but your point about Verum and Falsus has about as much credence as extracting certain portions of words in Arthur Conan Doyle's writing to get support for the Third Reich. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 00:30, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| (That's not an insult, incidentally, that's just the first example that came to mind) [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 00:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| {sigh} You know, bringing up separate points and bunching them together in the same paragraph is kind of like putting spices and sweeteners in separate canisters and throwing them all in the same basket with the lids off. If I want to say more than one thing at a time, I should really put it on more than one line.
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| * There is nothing 'shoehorned' about Verum Rex. The #GameWithinAGame fits naturally into the story of Toy Box (as is evident to anyone who's watched Toy Story 2), and the secret endings are nothing more than hints at what's to come for the next Kingdom Hearts game, no different than Deep Dive or The Gathering.
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| * The recreation of the Versus XIII trailer in the Re:Mind secret ending has no greater significance than the recreation of Neku's entrance into the Reaper's Game in the base KHIII ending, and complaining about one #MythologyGag and not the other raises the question of what exactly you're complaining about.
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| * Nomura is nowhere near the first person to take a project that didn't go the way it was originally intended to and refit it for a different project, nor is there anything wrong with the practice. There is no need to insult a great man for making the most of #WhatCouldHaveBeen, and doing so is petty and spiteful.
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| [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| :Samoa Joe just pointed out a possible reference to Versus XIII, he never said this should be on the page. So why are you getting so worked up by this? It’s not being added anywhere, it was just pointed out.
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| :And also, do not remove other peoples comments on talk pages. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 10:57, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| I tried to civilly point out the jump in his logic and he insulted the creator of the series. If such an instance doesn't get you worked up, I'd hate to see what does. As for the edit; leaving alone a line that has been added into the middle of a conversation after the fact is a difference in protocol between this wiki and another I use, and I apologize for failing to account for that. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 18:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| :So what if he insulted Nomura, why should that bother you? Why do Nomura need you do defend him? Why do we need to discuss that on this page? I'd advise the both of you to just end the conversation before it gets messy. Not pointing any fingers, just trying to prevent what could perhaps turn into something ugly and unnecessary. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 20:10, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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| If you take no offense to people insulting great men, that speaks of either boundless composure or boundless apathy, and the rest of your demeanour seems to imply the former. You have my kudos. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 21:09, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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