Editing Talk:A Fragmentary Passage

==Screenshots (Anyone Know Japanese?)==
{{Asif|text=http://www.kh2.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/khfm.jpg}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=Translations [http://forums.khinsider.com/handheld-entries/158764-new-bbsfm-secret-episode-scan.html here]. Looks like we'll finally get a name for Eraqus's Keyblade.}}
{{Sac|time=15:51, January 20, 2011 (UTC)|vanitas=I can't find the name of Eraqus's Keyblade. What's its name?}}
{{ST|text=he meant that we ''will'' get it since aqua is wielding it in gameplay we will be able to pause and go to the equipment section yada yada. but no, it doesn't actually say it there, we're gonna have to wait for the game to come out}}
{{Sac|time=16:00, January 20, 2011 (UTC)|vanitas=Ok, thanks!}}

== Name of the Secret Episode or the Ending? ==

{{WB|VenArmor=According to Nomure, the Secret Episode is known as "Birth by Sleep -Volume Two-".(as seen in the ending)}}

{{Chitalian8|time=17:32, January 20, 2011 (UTC)|cecil= I think it should be called Birth by Sleep -Volume Two- since all of the other secret endings have had their titles at the end, so we'd follow suit with this one. It would work until Nomura gave the actual name of the ending.}}
:Well, that's just not true. At least the first two have the titles at the beginning, and I'm pretty sure that The Gathering and Birth by sleep do as well.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:37, January 20, 2011 (UTC)

== Boss ==

{{Chitalian8|time=00:50, January 21, 2011 (UTC)|text= So, if you haven't been watching Cyberman's live stream, there's this giant <s>enemy crab</s> Dark Thorn-looking Heartless as the final boss (click [[User:LegoAlchemist|BBS Final Mix Secret Ending pics.|here]] for pics of it). The theme music is, in fact, Hunter of the Dark. Should an article be created about it?}}

== Just call it Secret Episode ==

It's simply called Secret Episode in the game as well, so why pick a random phrase from the introduction cutscene and try to pretend that's its title? It's neither Zero Point nor A fragmentary passage. [[Special:Contributions/87.185.233.27|87.185.233.27]] 22:37, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
:No, the theater specifically calls it "A fragmentary passage"{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:41, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Is it just one cutscene or the headline for the whole secret episode? [[Special:Contributions/87.185.233.27|87.185.233.27]] 22:44, January 21, 2011 (UTC)
:Whole thing.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:50, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't the Save Point call it Secret Episode?--[[User:Xabryn|Xabryn]] 10:40, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
:Well, it depends on whether we are talking about the story (like with Final Episode), or the scene. It might be worth splitting them.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:02, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
{{MV|time=[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 19:48, January 23, 2011 (UTC)|text=I agree.  There should be two pages.  One about the video, the second about the game play with Aqua and the Red Eye boss battle.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=I disagree.}}
{{Asif|text=I agree with Maggosh.  The videos and gameplay are both part of ''A fragmentary passage'', just like how the creation of C.O. and the battle with Terranort are both part of the Final Episode.  Sure you can make pages for the boss battle and the stats of the Heartless (the former of which has already been done), but there is no need to make the cutscenes and gameplay into different articles.

On a separate note, does the cutscene with Aqua & the castle play immediately after beating the Red Eye boss?  And should the Red Eye fight be added to this page?}}

{{Chitalian8|time=20:07, January 23, 2011 (UTC)|text= The castle cutscene is right after the boss, with nothing in-between. The Red Eye fight is [[Unnamed Heartless|here]].}}

{{Xabryn|text=One page is enough but the episode is called Secret Episode so this page should be called secret episode as well}}
{{Maggosh|trg=''"'''A fragmentary passage''', also referred to as the '''Secret Episode'''..."''}}
{{Asif|text=@ Chitalian8: I mean, should we add any information about Red Eye to this article?  Considering that the battle is a part of this episode and currently no mention is made of gameplay in the synopsis, I think we should add something about it.}}
:Okay, so the game actually treats this the same as the Last Episode, it's just that the cutscenes within it are heavily reminiscent of Blank points. However, I think Blank points is still the true ending video. As such, I think we should move this to "Secret Episode", and mention that "A fragmentary passage" is the name of the video scenes. (When you select Afp in the Theater Menu, does it actually contain the gameplay of the Secret Episode?){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:35, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

I believe not, no. I'd say we create seperate articles for the Secret Episode and Afp, like we do for the Last Episode and Blank points. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 00:42, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
:However, Blank points is not connected to Last Episode at all. You have to beat Blank points, then go and open the scene in the Theater Menu. Afp, you just see it while playing the Secret Episode.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:47, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
{{MV|time=[[User:Master Vantius|Master Vantius]] 15:53, January 24, 2011 (UTC)|text=Since this page is about the entire Secret Episode, in the synopsis, shouldn't we have a portion explaining the playable part of the episode and where the Boss battle takes place to show the flow of events?}}

== How to Unlock the Secret Episode ==

{{iZerox|time=15:54, January 24, 2011 (UTC)|ansem=So we know that the secret episode has to be unlocked before you can play through it, and I've read that it isn't as hard to unlock as previous videos as it's actual gameplay this time. I haven't been able to find information regarding how to unlock it and I'd like to know so that when my copy arrives in the mail I could actually play it.

So if anyone actually knows the requirements needed to play it, I believe it should be added to the article even if it's something as simple as beating the Final Episode.}}
{{Maggosh|nathan=The only requirement I know is beat the Final Episode on Critical.}}
{{ErryTalk|time=22:45, January 24, 2011 (UTC)|saix=I was playing on Proud Mode and my requirements were to get all stickers and get a full 140points on it. I did so with all 3 characters and got Secret Episode when I went back to the Main Menu after saving.}}

{{iZerox|time=00:50, January 26, 2011 (UTC)|hooded=Thanks guys, I hope more methods will be posted eventually for all difficulties.}}

== Translations ==

I was just watching the cyberman videos, and I was wondering if anyone can translate the parts in Japanese. It'd be much appreciated. [[Special:Contributions/71.92.202.190|71.92.202.190]] 04:14, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

{{Videogamefan|time=00:50, January 26, 2011 (UTC)|text= Here's the link to part 1 of the secret episode. The cutscenes are subbed and it shows the gameplay. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB17-qLujYE.}}

== Cutscene Error ==

{{UnknownChaser|time=Time? I'm a genius, I don't need to know the time, time need to know ME!|think=Guys, I think Square Enix made an error in the cutscene when Aqua fight the unnamed Heartless, in the game, when you fight it, it show Aqua welding the Master Keeper, '''but''' when you rewatch the cutscene in the Trinity Archives, it show her welding the Rainfell, which she couldn't have use, because she only welds the MK in the Realm of Darkness.}}
{{Asif|sho=I'm pretty sure that's because much like any other cutscene, the characters' Keyblades default to their original ones in the Trinity Archives.  ''A Fragmentary Passage'' is no exception, even if Aqua is only able to wield the Master Keeper.}}

{{AlVan|time=13:19, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Not quite. [[Lingering Will]] ''always'' has [[Ends of the Earth]].}}

{{ErryTalk|time=15:22, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|mxtext=That's because the Ends of the Earth is the default Keyblade for the Lingering Will, while Earthshaker is to Terra.}}

{{AlVan|time=17:28, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|text=What about the time at the end with Aqua and Strormfall?}}

{{Asif|sho=Which part? Do you have video evidence?}}

{{AlVan|time=18:12, 27 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Watch the scene titled ''"With you"''. Aqua passes Stormfall to Terra-Xehanort.}}
{{Asif|shonormal=That's because in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix, Aqua's armor is shown with the Stormfall Keyblade, and including the Rainfell Keyblade would mess that up.}}
{{UnknownChaser|time=Time? I'm a genius, I don't need to know the time, time need to know ME!|think=Yes its true that in the other cutscenes it show the default Keyblade, but in AFP, the Master Keeper is the ''default'' Keyblade, so that would make it an error.}}
{{ErryTalk|time=08:23, 28 April 2011 (EDT)|mxtext=It would be an error chronologically but it's the Trinity Archives... what would you expect?}}

== synopsis ==

whats the numbers for? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
:Have you really watched the ending? {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 00:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Have you noticed that Birth By Sleep Volume 2 is actually Kingdom Hearts 0.2 Birth by Sleep-A Fragmentary Passage for Kingdom Hearts HD 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue? [[User:Samcrux|Samcrux]] 10.47, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
:Not exactly. BBS Volume 2 would have been a bigger game than 0.2 with a lot more story to cover. Word is that 0.2 is actually just a glimpse into what could have been and the rest will be somehow incorporated into KHIII. From the interview:<blockquote>
Famitsu: Will the “A Fragmentary Passage” seen in the secret episode be in “KH0.2 BBS”?
Nomura: Although the content is still there, the meaning will be different than it was in “KH BBS Final Mix” “A Fragmentary Passage” as it’s not meant to be a complete game. So the setting was changed to be a small piece of “KHIII” as we decided now would be a good time for it. However, to not effect the progress of “KHIII”, it was decided it was best to not be a “0.5” like a full volume but a “0.2” type of game. So even though a change was made to cut the chapter to a shorter length, the name “A Fragmentary Passage” is still kept as a subtitle.</blockquote>
:--{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:24, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

== Beginner Mode ==

The page says "'''Beginner Mode''' - not accessible." However, the menu for 2.5's BBSFM says "(The secret movie is extremely difficult to unlock in this mode)", thus implying it ''is'' unlockable. Verdict? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 19:26, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh, χ-blade, the wiki doesn't know. I'm effed. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 21:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
:As completing the Trinity Archives 100% is the most difficult task already I can only imagine that this also the unlock condition for the Beginner Mode now, if it's not an error, because I haven't found any evidence that this really changed, at least not on the Japanese boards. You probably have to find someone who 100% completed Beginner Mode already, maybe on gamefaqs. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:50, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
::I thought about it, in the original Final Mix the Secret Episode had the same unlock conditions as the secret movie Blank Points, maybe this was changed and Blank Points can be viewed in Beginner Mode now. I find an error still more likely though. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 20:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
I have got a strong feeling that we need to 100% every single darn thing, beat every superboss however hard it may be, etc., etc., etc. in Beginner Mode before actually viewing Blank Points. Just a hunch. Feel free to disregard. '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="dodgerblue">Trois</font>]][[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="darkslateblue">nyx</font>]]''' 23:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
:Hmm, I don't know but completing the journal 100% already includes most of this stuff since the secret bosses all have character entries for example. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 09:03, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm in the process of 100%ing Beginner Mode now, I'll report back. Does Normal Mode Fragmentary Passage require all the trophies as part of 100%ing the Trinity Archives? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 20:56, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

:Yes, you need Mickey symbols everywhere. 100% Trinity Report = 100% of all three individual reports + all items. I think the Secret Gem, Victory Line and the tickets/recipes from the Mirage Arena are probably the only items that can be passed to get 100% in an individual report but not for 100% in the trinity report. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:50, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

<s><small>Hidden Mickey. They're called frickin' Hidden Mickeys.</small></s> Anyways, thanks for the tip. I'll report back to you when I clear up. Unless someone else beats me to it/finds that someone has already done it. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 00:51, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

WOAH. WOAH-HO. WOAH WOAH WOAH. HOLY. BAGS. OF MULCH. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. I just cleared the Final Episode, didn't do anything out-of-the-way except Keepers of the Arena, and I just got a notice to save data to start the Secret Episode. Trinity Report is at 84%, but I have everyone's ultimate Shotlocks. I can get a photo if you guys need it, BUT I think someone's gonna have to start data mining and figure out the necessary necessities because I don't have a clue in Valhalla what the Pulse just happened. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 22:38, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:I'm glad you got it, even though it doesn't make any sense to me;-) Did you also unlock Blank Points? --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:41, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes I did. Blank Points plays, and then A Fragmentary Passage starts. As far as unlock conditions go, I am in the deepest, darkest abyss. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:08, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I have unlocked the Secret Episode on Beginner Mode (BbS:FM), but I'm not clear exactly what did it. I did collect all Xehanort's Reports, completed the sticker album, and collected every single treasure chest. Then I got the Keyslinger trophy, which is when the Secret Episode unlocked. I haven't completed any of the arena tournaments (except to collect the Reports), and I'm not certain if the treasures or reports are required. I didn't do anything else particularly special (didn't master all the minigames or anything like that), but if anyone has questions about my save files I am happy to offer up the data. -[[User:Monkey0506|Monkey0506]] ([[User talk:Monkey0506|talk]]) 06:16, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Hello all. I am playing Birth by Sleep Final Mix for the first time; playing through The Story So Far on PS4. I have been playing Beginner mode (first play-through) and have just unlocked the secret episode. I have figured out all criteria. With all 3 characters on Beginner, I have completed the main story. Collected the 5th Xehanort report at the arena with Terra and went to save point to unlock Final episode. Then I completed Final Episode. I reloaded all 3 characters to collect all stickers; placed all stickers in correct spots to get 140 points + rhythm mixer. Then I collected all treasure chests. I then used Aqua to create 3 Mega Flares and went to Radiant Garden to kill 9,999 Unversed, which took a long time. Gained that in-game trophy. I also received more than 33,333 Munny, which I received that trophy as well. I was researching a lot of information and tried my best to see what could be the final criteria. I went to arena to complete 2 battles(not part of criteria). As soon as I went to the save point, Secret Episode unlocked! I immediately saved and went to main menu for Trinity Archives. You have earned the Power Walker trophy for taking 99,999 steps! I have 80% and did not complete reports. I have 4 in-game trophies: Power Walker, Keyslinger(9,999 Unversed), One Down(finish 1 character’s story), and In the Munny(collect 33,333 Munny). I on my have 33 hours of gameplay total. I am 100% positive the criteria I listed above will allow the Secret Episode to be unlocked. - hopeprism - on Saturday, April 11, 2020 at 12:51am EST.
:Thank you, so the Clockwork Trophy isn't required it seems and since Draconai didn't collect all treasure chests it shouldn't be a requirement either, it's just for journal completion. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 08:01, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

== Unlock conditions across the different versions ==

I think it's time for another table as there seems to be a lot of misinformation circling around regarding the unlock conditions of Blank Points/A Fragmentary Passage:
{| 
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Difficulty'''
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Japanese'''
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''International'''
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Final Mix'''
| align="center" style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''HD 2.5 ReMIX'''
|-
|style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Beginner'''||Not accessible.||Not accessible.||Accessible, exact conditions are unknown.
||Accessible, exact conditions are unknown.
|-
|style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Standard'''||Complete the Final Episode and the Reports section.||Complete the Final Episode and the Reports section.||Complete the Sticker Album with Terra, Aqua, and Ventus and obtain the Keyslinger trophy||Complete the Sticker Album with Terra, Aqua, and Ventus and obtain the Keyslinger trophy
|-
|style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Proud'''||Complete the Final Episode.||Complete the Final Episode.||Complete the Sticker Album with Terra, Aqua, and Ventus.||Complete the Sticker Album with Terra, Aqua, and Ventus.
|-
|style="background:#f0f0f0;"|'''Critical'''||N/A||Complete the Final Episode.||Complete the Final Episode.||Complete the Final Episode.
|-
| 
|}
The information for the original Japanese release comes from the Ultimania, the information for the International (NA & PAL) from the Bradygames guide, since there is no (complete) official guide book for the Final Mix version (I will check the Master Navigation guide again though), there is no concrete source for the rest.<br>
Still there are three things to consider:
#You have to unlock the Last/Final Episode first (meaning collecting all Xehanort Reports), even if you already fulfilled the unlock conditions for Blank Points/Secret Episode.
#The unlock conditions must always be met with Terra, Ventus and Aqua for the difficulty mode of their story. This means if you played Terra on Standard and Ventus/Aqua and Proud in the International release, you have to complete Terra's report (all Mickey marks) but not Ventus's and Aqua's.
#In the Japanese and International release of BBS it's required to complete the report on Standard. This doesn't include defeating the secret bosses since Vanitas Remnant doesn't have a journal entry in the original Japanese release and although both Vanitas Remnant and the Unknown have one in the International Release, they are not counted towards 100% completion (meaning you can get the Mickey symbol without them). In the Final Mix and ReMIX release all secret boss entries have to be in the journal to get the Mickey mark, but journal completion is not required anymore. This is because Normura wanted all players to experience the Secret Episode, so the unlock conditions were made easier (a summary of the Degenki interview stating this fact can be found [http://rebirth.elwi.info/blog-entry-4150.html here], and translated [http://www.kh2.co.uk/kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/news/new-kh-birth-by-sleep-final-mix-information.php here]).<br>
For the Beginner Mode unlock in the Final Mix versions: Apparently it was always the case to unlock the secret movie on the lowest difficulty, [http://i794.photobucket.com/albums/yy230/ShardofTruth/Other%20KH%20stuff/ULJM05775_00000.png here] is a screenshot from the PSP version. But since it was translated wrong by KeytoTruth for the fan patch and nobody cared to examine the unlock conditions, this became a fact somehow. Thanks to Draconai we least know that 100% journal completion is not required, it's probably another trophy or 100% treasure chests or something like that.<br>
If there is are no further questions or obscurities regarding this topic I will (or everyone who feels like it can) add this information to the page. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I can confirm that the unlock condition on Beginner Mode is ''not'' 100% treasure chests or anything like that, because I did ''nothing'' out of my way aside from getting the Ultimate Shotlocks. I haven't even fought either of the superbosses. I'm starting to get the feeling that it's just automatically unlocked upon completion of the Final Episode, similar to on Critical Mode. I know that doesn't make any sense, even setting aside the "explanation" on the difficulty select menu, but that's the only conclusion I can reach. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 19:24, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
:I guess, how long would it take to do a speedrun on Beginner?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:22, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
::According to [http://www.speedrun.com/khbbs#Full_Game_Any these records] it would take around five hours for the full story, although I don't know if there is planning involved or if you can simply rush through the game. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 14:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey. I noticed we still have no firm data on the unlock conditions for Beginner Mode. I ran my triples on Beginner Mode again, and the Secret Episode was still unlocked after I completed the Final Episode. Unless someone can mine the data and confirm otherwise, I'm pretty sure Beginner and Critical share unlock conditions. So, I'm going to add that to the page, and I would request that someone inform me if that is a problem. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Er... that non-registered user that just made that change was me. Not checking the "remember me" box during the login gives you a '''''very''''' short login frame. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:15, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

:I'm thinking this is absolute nonsense.  You posted this same thing on Gamefaqs, and just the same, no one else has confirmed it there either.  But for the hell of it, I went ahead and created a new PS3 user profile just for this little experiment.  We'll find out tomorrow.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 06:58, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Gamefaqs? I have never been to Gamefaqs. For any purpose. Could you link me to the page in question? I didn't think I was noticeable enough to be impersonated. If nothing else, it IS accessible in Beginner Mode, in the II.5 ReMIX, as noted by the New Game menu. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 07:09, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, if you're going to be done all three stories by tomorrow, I must praise either your haste or your dedication. Whichever is taking action. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 07:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

What all have I done, I feel I might be claiming to have done less than I have...
* I am using the HD II.5 ReMIX; I cannot claim this to be accurate for the PSP version.
* The New Game menu reads "The secret movie is extremely difficult to unlock in this mode".
* I DID NOT fight Young Xehanort or Vanitas Remnant.
* I DID NOT complete anyone's Report.
* I DID complete Keepers of the Arena with all characters.
* I DID complete Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix before Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Final Mix.
* I DID complete Kingdom Hearts Final Mix with the HD I.5 ReMIX before obtaining the HD II.5 ReMIX.
** I DID NOT complete Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories or Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days on the HD I.5 ReMIX before unlocking the Secret Episode.
* My PS3 Trophies, as of completing the Secret Episode, are:
** The Lost Chapter
** The Vessel
** The Dormant
** The Seeker
** Connected Hearts
** Profiler
** Collector
** Perfect Shot
** Musclehead
** B-Boy
** Majorette
** Command Board Conquerer
** Maestro
** Rapid Racer
** Fantasista
** [All "complete the (world) episode of (character)'s story" trophies]
** Pawn of the Arena
** Knight of the Arena
** Queen of the Arena
** King of the Arena
** Keepers of the Arena
* I received no notifications for trophy achievements during my rerun noted earlier.

Side note: is mining the data of a video game not a thing anymore? Used to be, I couldn't open a talk page on an independent wiki without finding an administrator had made a comment like "show us where in the game code it is and we'll believe you". Now I notice a line on the menu on the remake, a big-name on the wiki gives me some advice, and then twin-knives here accuses me of making Mulch up at one in the morning Saskatchewan time.

Side side note: Ignis, referring to you as "twin-knives" is meant only to be a reference to Final Fantasy XV and is not in any way intended to offend you; if you feel offended by the remark, please inform me and I will refrain from repeating it. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:19, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

:I've gone with this name since before Versus XIII lol.  In fact, his name reveal was kind of cool!  Anyway, this is the thread in question:  http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/735143-kingdom-hearts-hd-25-remix/74248315  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 08:24, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. "Drethrake" is not me (and nor does he seem to be impersonating me, which is a relief). Please inform us of the conclusion drawn by your new-user Beginner Mode run. And try to take it easy on the caffeine. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:43, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and if you could please confirm that the "extremely difficult to unlock" note on the New Game menu is there on yours? I got my copy of II.5 almost on the release date, and after your accusations I'm starting to think I may have a faulty copy. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

:Faulty copy may actually be the case.  I just did a speedrun, and did all the supposed requirements.  When that didn't tick, I went ahead and completed all stickers, treasures, and special unversed and saved it.  Still nothing.  --[[User:Ignis|Ignis]] ([[User talk:Ignis|talk]]) 20:35, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Well, on one hand, this makes several things easier for my personal enjoyments. On the other hand, ''Purge'' me. What about the menu? Does your New Game menu say the same thing mine does? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:02, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Also, could you please confirm that those are all set to Beginner difficulty? The menu does default to Standard mode, it kicked my ass once already. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Wait, defaults to Standard Mode... Oh, Purge me, the saves for my repeat trial were done on Standard Mode. I cannot count that as confirmation. Initiating '''Beginner''' Mode rerun. I'm using a second-hand PS3, it's possible that was a one-time glitch. Although that doesn't solve the problem of the menu statement.

Query for you, twin-knives: Which ''Trinity Archive'' trophies do you have for your speedrun? I just realized that the secret ending unlock conditions were tied to in-game trophies and not strictly Report completion. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:25, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

In the blue corner: my completed Beginner Mode saves for Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep Final Mix, after having wiped all KH II.5 data from my PS3. Terra, Ventus, and Aqua, all with completed Sticker Albums and their ultimate Shotlocks; the Final Episode, on which nothing was done before defeating Terra-Xehanort; and a complete lack of Secret Episode save file.

And in the red corner: my Trinity Archives trophy shelf, consisting entirely of One Down, In The Munny, and Power Walker; the unlock condition for the Secret Episode on Standard Mode, which requires all three Sticker Albums to be completed and the '''Trinity Archive''' trophy, Keyslinger; the fact that none of the conditions for Trinity Archive trophies correspond to conditions for PS3 trophies; and the realization that - assuming that I have tallied my Report kill counts properly, and the [[Trophies]] page has not added an unnecessary nine - I am a very, very, ''very'' long way from meeting the terms to get Keyslinger.

With this data, I can confirm that the Secret Episode is not unlocked via the completion of the Sticker Albums, as is required for Proud Mode; and, consequently, that it is not unlocked by simply completing the Final Episode, as is required for Critical Mode. However, until I (or someone willing to beat me to the punch - here's looking at you, Ignis) have obtained the '''Trinity Archive''' trophy, Keyslinger, I cannot confirm that it is not unlocked by the completion of the Sticker Albums and Keyslinger, as is required on Standard Mode; and further, until I (or the aforementioned punch-beaters) have obtained ''all'' '''Trinity Archive''' trophies, and tried to unlock the Secret Episode after obtaining each one, I cannot confirm that the it is not unlocked by the completion of the Sticker Albums and an additional trophy.

Objections? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 08:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
:I complete missed this discussion but of course there are no objections. On top a [https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/3cuoag/kh_25_i_can_confirm_that_the_bbs_secret_episode/ reddit user] has confirmed that you can reach the Final Episode on Beginner. In his word he didn't die a single time and completed the journals as far as he could without touching post-game stuff, which means 100% journal completion is probably not a requirement. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 07:41, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

''"In his word he didn't die a single time"''

Well, '''Purge me'''. THAT'S what I missed. Maybe. First time I went through the ReMIX I played through it the old-fashioned way. The SECOND time I went through the ReMIX I wanted to perfect-match every boss and kept forgetting to change my Command Decks ahead of time. And, of course, since Load Game puts you at the save point and Continue puts you at the previous screen, I always chose to get my greens kicked and selected Continue. And if I'm wrong, and it's just the Keyslinger Trophy, that's probably why I didn't get it my second time.

I'm currently in the middle of a ReMIX binge after getting II.8, as soon as I get to II.5 I'll be back for an update. If anyone wants to beat me to the punch in the meantime, I welcome you greatly. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 03:19, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

A year and a half later, I've finally gotten back to II.5. Let it not be said that Draconai Auracto is an oathbreaker! Shame nobody beat me to the punch, because I am not what one would call methodical.
* New copy of II.5, to the disdain of many who know me, just in case my got-it-on-release copy is faulty.
* Trinity Archive trophies: Clockwork (which I am 93% sure is a first), Keyslinger (looks like the Mirage Arena counts towards this), One Down (natch), In the Munny (pretty sure I've had this one, Aqua is expensive), Power Walker (can you complete BBS without getting Power Walker?)
* Sticker Albums: complete (fairly certain this is NOT a first, because Limit Storm and Salvation are easier this way than Command Melding, and my idiotic adherence to thematicism means I would've gotten them fully complete and done Aqua's as well)
* Secret Episode: UNLOCKED!

Anybody want to suggest a verdict? [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 20:26, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:Don't know what to say, but congrats nonetheless:D
:So if we assume that the unlock conditions stack and that you have to do more of them on Beginner, this would mean you have to complete the Sticker Album and get the Keyslinger, Clockwork, In the Munny and Power Walker trophy. Completing the game with all three characters and getting Keyslinger, the In the Munny Trophy and a perfect Sticker Album I agree that Power Walker is most likely a given, but it doesn't do any harm to list it. The opposite is true for One Down of course, that one will be unlocked in every case, so we shouldn't count it. What's the state of your command collection? Is it complete for any character?
:Still, I think that's it, it doesn't get more minimal if you try to complete the unlock conditions for the higher difficulties, great work. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 15:29, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

I don't have anyone's command collections complete. Terra can't cast worth a frick, Aqua and physical attacks don't mix, and Ven doesn't have a whole lot of use for heavy hits. I doubt Clockwork is strictly mandatory, but should probably save that judgement until somebody's gotten a complete Sticker Album and Keyslinger without taking eighty hours (I can probably be attempting that by Christmas). In The Munny or Power Walker strikes me as the most likely additional requisite. [[User:Draconai|Draconai]] ([[User talk:Draconai|talk]]) 23:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:So lets add them as maximum requirements for now, that's still better than nothing. Thanks for confirming them Draconai. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 16:27, 30 July 2018 (UTC)


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