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| :::I like this variation list better. You are right, when you say that gameplay wise Vanitas, Ventus, Roxas and Xion are variations of Sora (or his heartless\shadows), but story wise they are all very different variations which would make the list more confusing than helpful. Although that's true for the absent silhouettes and replica datas too, the difference in personalty, fighting style and abilities is much smaller --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, May 21, 2010 (UTC) | | :::I like this variation list better. You are right, when you say that gameplay wise Vanitas, Ventus, Roxas and Xion are variations of Sora (or his heartless\shadows), but story wise they are all very different variations which would make the list more confusing than helpful. Although that's true for the absent silhouettes and replica datas too, the difference in personalty, fighting style and abilities is much smaller --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 20:57, May 21, 2010 (UTC) |
| ::The point is to compare the boss battles, and not the characters themselves. This is a pretty good list for that. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 21:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC) | | ::The point is to compare the boss battles, and not the characters themselves. This is a pretty good list for that. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 21:10, May 21, 2010 (UTC) |
| :Should Ansem SoD and Xemnas be combined, since they are virtually the same thing (appearance and being)? So, the list would be:
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| *Riku, Ansem SoD, World of Chaos, Xemnas, Riku Replica, Xemnas's Replica Data, Anti-Riku
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| :And do we want to add Xehanort, Master Xehanort, possibly Terra?
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| :Or simplify it to:
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| *Riku, Riku Replica, Anti-Riku
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| *Master Xehanort, Terra, Xehanort, Ansem SoD, World of Chaos, Xemnas, Xemnas Data
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| :Good grief, this is a confusing situation.
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| ::I'm reluctant to say yes, since as far as the battles go, the "Xehanort family members" are very different enemies...
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| ::Maybe Terra and Xehanort, and maybe Ansem SoD and WoC--since the latter is the final form of the former--and Xemnas and Xemnas Data. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 17:16, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::But definitely Riku, Riku Replica, and Anti-Riku. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 17:17, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::The Xehanort and Ansem pairs both use the Guardian, though, and look very similar. And then Xemnas looks very similar as well.
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| ::I don't think it works as battle similarity, though, since very few subspecies are fought the same way, anyway. It's very annoying.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::And for that matter, one of the Riku boss fights is a clone of Ansem (the Land of Dragons one).[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 20:49, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::I think the vast majority of subspecies have the same fighting style. Probably the most different ones are the "small floating Heartless" family, but they are clearly variations of each other, and they aren't ''really'' that different (i.e. they release a magic attack and/or headbutt). I think what we count as variations should depend on how similar they are as enemies.
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| :::Having said that, you make a good point about Xehanort and Ansem. The final battle with Xehanort is definitely similar to the ones with Ansem.
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| :::I think variations for the "character" bosses need to be treated more carefully that with regular enemies, since we're dealing with individuals rather than with subspecies. I don't know, maybe you're right about including Xemnas with Ansem. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 21:20, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
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| Here's one: do we list Gargoyle Knight and Gargoyle Warrior as variations of the Possessor & Massive Possessor, or are those better off staying as See Alsos? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 00:28, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Well, those explicitly are subspecies. Its explicitly a Possessor possessing something, just like with the Thresholder.
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| :I suppose if you want, you could mark it as subspecies of Thresholder.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| Next one: Snowy Crystal lists Fiery Globe, Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord, aside from Icy Cube. While I can probably accept Fiery Globe, Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord seem too removed to count as variations or subspecies. Obviously they ''are'' related to Icy Cubes, but should I list them for Snowy Crystal? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 15:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| :The thing is, they literally are subspecies, instead of recolors, along the lines of Sheltering Zone or Massive Possessor. I think we'd have to list it.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 17:25, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Also, how do we want to do journal entries for character bosses or enemies?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 10:43, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Hmm. Well, considering most character journal entries aren't related to their boss fight, maybe those should be left off, especially since certain main characters have multiple journal entries, such as Organization XIII. Although if there are entries that ''are'' largely about the boss fight, they probably should be added (like the Days entries). --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 04:20, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| ::Question on Coliseum team names for KH1: For Behemoth and other matches that don't list the enemies, (like when the team is just "Behemoth" or "Cloud") I've not been listing the teams. However, what should I do for the FF team fights, like Leon & Cloud and Leon, Cloud, Yuffie, & Tifa?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 07:06, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| :::Erg. I guess just list the team members like that. If there's no team name, then you can only describe the team. At least there aren't any nameless teams with more than four members. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 22:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| For enemies like Sneak Army that only appear in matches, what goes under "world"? --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 22:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
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| :Neeeevermind, point taken. --<span style="font-size:10pt">[[User:Neumannz|'''<span style="font-size=12pt; font-family:Gisha; color:#005400">Neumannz</span>''']], [[User talk:Neumannz|''<span style="color:black; font-family:Agency FB Bold">The Dark Falcon</span>'']]</span> 03:27, June 3, 2010 (UTC)
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| ===CoM/ReCoM update===
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| Okay, Shard posted some Ultimania scans. Here are the stats listed for each enemy (statuses should be added to article as well):
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| *HP
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| *AP
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| *EXP
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| *Fire (炎)
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| *Blizzard (氷)
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| *Thunder (雷)
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| *Neutral (無)
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| *Gravity (割合)
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| *Stun (気絶)
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| *Stop (ストップ)
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| *Warp (デジョン)
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| *Bind (バインド)
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| *Confuse (混乱)
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| *Terror (テラー)
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| *Magnet (マグネ)
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| *Freeze (フリーズ)
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| *Attack Card Values
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| *Duel: Count and Time
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| ;Attacks
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| *Name
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| *Power Multiplier
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| *Attribute
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| *Special Effects (特殊効果)
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| ;Gimmick Card effects
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| :I'll reformat the elements, statuses, and basements to the infobox. Do we want to include Attack Card Values, Duel type, and Duel duration to the infobox? Or have those in strategy, or what?
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| :I'll try to get the attack infobox setup when I can, but it's lower priority. Plus, I think we'd have to translate every attack, and that'll be annoying.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 08:50, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
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| :I've posted a draft of how I plan to arrange it [http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BQ303803 here]. I NEED YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THIS, because basically all of the CoM infoboxes have to be redone. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 11:52, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts''=== | | ===''Kingdom Hearts''=== |
| {| width="100%" |
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| *Air Pirate | | *Air Pirate |
| *Air Soldier | | *Air Soldier |
| *Angel Star (render image) | | *Angel Star |
| *Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (COM resistances) | | *Battleship (multipart enemy, is a better integration in the new template possible?) |
| *AntiSora
| | *Aquatank (missing render image) |
| *Aquatank (render image) | |
| *Bandit<!-- (strategy)-->
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| *Barrel Spider | | *Barrel Spider |
| *Battleship
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| *Behemoth (render image)
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| *Bit Sniper | | *Bit Sniper |
| *Black Fungus (Halloween image, after rescue stats) | | *Black Fungus |
| *Blue Rhapsody | | *Blue Rhapsody |
| | *Bandit |
| *Bouncywild | | *Bouncywild |
| *Captain Hook (new KH video)
| | *Darkball |
| *Cave of Wonders Guardian (story cleanup)
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| *Cerberus (CKH2 stats)
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| *Chernabog
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| *Clayton (lead paragraph, basic formatting)
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| *Cloud (COM, CKH2 stats, KH1, KH2 videos)
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| *Darkball (story) | |
| *Darkside (story cleanup, missing videos (II and III and coded), theme song files)
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| *Defender | | *Defender |
| | valign="top" width="20%" |
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| *Fat Bandit | | *Fat Bandit |
| *Flotsam & Jetsam
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| *Gargoyle | | *Gargoyle |
| *Genie
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| *Glut
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| *Green Requiem | | *Green Requiem |
| *Hades (KH stats, Coliseum stats) | | *Invisible (better picture needed) |
| *Jafar
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| *Jafar (Genie)
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| *Ice Titan
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| *Invisible
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| *Kurt Zisa
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| *Large Body (missing render image) | | *Large Body (missing render image) |
| *Leon (CKH, CKH2 stats)
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| *Lock, Shock, & Barrel
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| *Maleficent
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| *Maleficent (Dragon)
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| *Oogie Boogie
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| *Parasite Cage
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| *Phantom (better FM image?)
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| *Pirate | | *Pirate |
| *Pot Centipede
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| *Pot Spider | | *Pot Spider |
| *Powerwild | | *Powerwild |
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| *Queen of Hearts (COM stats)
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| *Rare Truffle | | *Rare Truffle |
| *Red Nocturne | | *Red Nocturne |
| *Sabor
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| *Screwdiver | | *Screwdiver |
| *Sea Neon | | *Sea Neon |
| *Search Ghost | | *Search Ghost |
| *Sephiroth (CKH stats)
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| *Shadow | | *Shadow |
| *shadow glob
| | *Shadow Sora (variations dicussion) |
| *Shadow Sora | |
| *Sheltering Zone | | *Sheltering Zone |
| *Soldier | | *Soldier |
| *Stealth Sneak
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| *Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka (element resistances)
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| *Trickmaster
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| *Ursula
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| *White Mushroom | | *White Mushroom |
| *Wight Knight | | *Wight Knight |
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| *Wyvern (missing render image) | | *Wyvern (missing render image) |
| *Yellow Opera (missing Days image) | | *Yellow Opera (missing Days image) |
| *Yuffie (CKH2 stats)
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| |}
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| *Guard Armor
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| *Hercules
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| *Oogie's Manor
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| *Opposite Armor
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| *Rock Titan
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| *World of Chaos
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories'' &''Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories''=== | | ===''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories'' &''Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories''=== |
| *Axel (COM stats are incomplete)
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| *Creeper Plant
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| *Crescendo
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| *Larxene (stats)
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| *Tornado Step
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| *Vexen
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| *Lexaeus
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| *Marluxia
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| *Marluxia (Second Form)
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| *Marluxia (Third Form)
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| *Riku Replica
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| *Zexion
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts II''=== | | ===''Kingdom Hearts II''=== |
| {| width="100%" |
| | *Aerial Knocker (needs Coliseum stats) |
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| | *Aeroplane (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Aerial Knocker | | *Armored Knight (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Aeroplane (missing AR image?) | | *Assault Rider (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Armored Knight | | *Surveillance Robot (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Assault Rider | | *Bolt Tower (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Assassin
| | *Bookmaster (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Beast
| | *Creeper (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Berserker
| | *Crimson Jazz (needs Coliseum stats) |
| *Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord
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| *Bolt Tower
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| *Bookmaster
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| *Bulky Vendor
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| *Cannon Gun (missing Space Paranoids image)
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| *Creeper | |
| *Crimson Jazz
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| *Dancer
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| *Demyx
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| *Devastator (missing Aerial Combat form image)
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| *Dragoon | |
| *Driller Mole
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| *Dusk
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| *Emerald Blues
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| *Fiery Globe
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| *Fortuneteller (missing FM image)
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| *Gambler | |
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| *Gargoyle Knight
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| *Gargoyle Warrior
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| *Graveyard (missing Grave form image)
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| *Grim Reaper (cursed image) | |
| *Groundshaker | |
| *Hammer Frame
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| *Hayner
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| *Hook Bat (missing render image)
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| *Hostile Program
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| *Hot Rod
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| *Hydra
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| *Icy Cube
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| *Illuminator (better FM image)
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| *Lance Soldier
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| *Living Bone
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| *Luna Bandit
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| *Luxord
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| *Magnum Loader (missing color variations)
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| *Minute Bomb
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| *Morning Star (missing FM image)
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| *Nightwalker
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| *Pete (coliseum stats)
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| *Possessor/Thresholder
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| *Prison Keeper
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| *Rabid Dog
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| *Rapid Thruster
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| *Saïx
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| *Samurai
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| *Scar
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| *Scar's Ghost
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| *Seifer (general formatting)
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| *Setzer (general formatting)
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| *Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn
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| *Shaman
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| *Shenzi, Banzai, and Ed
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| *Silver Rock
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| *Sorcerer
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| *Storm Rider
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| *Strafer
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| *Surveillance Robot (missing SP image?)
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| *The Experiment
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| *Toy Soldier (missing Pumpkin form image)
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| *Trick Ghost
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| *Twilight Thorn
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| *Xaldin
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| *Xigbar
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| |}
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| *Shadow Roxas
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| *Tifa
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts Final Mix'' & ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''=== | | ===''Kingdom Hearts Final Mix'' & ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''=== |
| {| width="100%" |
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| *Aerial Champ | | *Aerial Champ |
| *Air Viking
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| *Arch Behemoth (check journal?)
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| *Black Ballade | | *Black Ballade |
| *Destroyed Behemoth
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| *Chimaera | | *Chimaera |
| *Commander Sark
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| *Gigas Shadow | | *Gigas Shadow |
| *Grand Ghost | | *Grand Ghost |
| *Iron Hammer
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| *Jet Balloon | | *Jet Balloon |
| *Lance Warrior
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| *Lingering Sentiment (stats)
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| *Mad Bumper
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| *Magic Phantom
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| *Master Control Program
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| *Missile Diver (merge with Jet Balloon?) | | *Missile Diver (merge with Jet Balloon?) |
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| *Mushroom XIII
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| *Necromancer
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| *Neoshadow | | *Neoshadow |
| *Perplex | | *Stealth Soldier |
| *Pot Scorpion | | *Pot Scorpion |
| *Pink Agaricus | | *Pink Agaricus |
| *Reckless
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| *Roxas
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| *Runemaster
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| *Silent Launcher
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| *Sniper Wild | | *Sniper Wild |
| *Spring Metal
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| *Stealth Army
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| *Stealth Soldier
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| *Absent Silhouettes
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| *Xemnas
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| ===''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''=== | | ===''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''=== |
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| *Mega-Shadow | | *Mega-Shadow |
| *Scarlet Tango | | *Scarlet Tango |
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| *Sapphire Elegy | | *Sapphire Elegy |
| *Pink Concerto | | *Pink Concerto |
| | *Emerald Serenade |
| *Turquoise March | | *Turquoise March |
| *Emerald Serenade
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| *Dire Plant | | *Dire Plant |
| *Fire Plant | | *Fire Plant |
| *Blizzard Plant | | *Blizzard Plant |
| *Poison Plant | | *Poison Plant |
| *Massive Possessor | | *Veil Lizard |
| *Rare Vendor
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| *Guardian
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| *Destroyer
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| *Skater Bomb
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| *Storm Bomb
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| *Detonator
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| *Deserter
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| *Sergeant
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| *Commander
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| *Flare Note
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| *Bubble Beat
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| *Barrier Master
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| *Large Armor
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| *Clay Armor
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| *Solid Armor
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| *Land Armor
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| *Snapper Dog
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| *Bully Dog
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| *Cymbal Monkey
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| *Tricky Monkey
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| *Novashadow
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| *Air Battler
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| *Aerial Master
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| *Artful Flyer
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| *Sky Grappler
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| *Snowy Crystal
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| *Ice Cannon
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| *Switch Launcher
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| *Jumbo Cannon
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| *Spiked Crawler
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| *Scorching Sphere
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| *Creepworm
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| *Hover Ghost
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| *Carrier Ghost
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| *Living Pod
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| *Zip Slasher
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| *Dual Blade
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| *Heat Saber
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| *Chill Ripper
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| *Blitz Spear
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| *Stalwart Blade
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| *Tailbunker
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| *Avalanche
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| *Wavecrest | | *Wavecrest |
| *Phantomtail
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| *Windstorm | | *Windstorm |
| *Dustflier
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| *Orcus
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| *Veil Lizard
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| *Lurk Lizard
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| *Powered Armor
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| *Dark Follower
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| *Antlion
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| *Infernal Engine
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| *Leechgrave
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| *Crimson Prankster
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| *Ruler of the Sky
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| *Xion
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| ==Still Undone==
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| ===Full Infoboxes===
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| *Absent Silhouettes
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| *Hercules
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| *Lexaeus
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| *Riku Replica
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| *Rock Titan
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| *Tifa
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| *Zexion
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| ===Images===
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| *Angel Star (render)
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| *Behemoth (render)
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| *Devastator (Aerial Combat form)
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| *Mushroom XIII (Timeless River)
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| *Oogie's Manor (lanterns)
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| ===Stats===
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| *Ansem, Seeker of Darkness (COM resistances)
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| *Axel (COM)
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| *Black Fungus (after rescue)
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| *Cerberus (CKH2)
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| *Cloud (COM, CKH2)
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| *Hades (CKH, CKH2)
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| *Guard Armor (CoM & Days limb stats, if possible)
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| *Larxene
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| *Leon (CKH, CKH2)
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| *Lingering Sentiment
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| *Marluxia (Second Form)
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| *Pete (CKH2)
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| *Queen of Hearts (COM)
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| *Sephiroth (CKH)
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| *Shadow Glob (Oogie stats)
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| *Tidus, Selphie, and Wakka (KH elements, if possible)
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| *Vexen
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| *Xemnas (KHFM)
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| *Yuffie (CKH2)
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| ===Other===
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| *Seifer (navigation temp)
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| *Setzer (navigation temp)
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| *The Experiment (navigation temp)
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| *World of Chaos (Japanese names, if possible)
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