Editing Game talk:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

==True form?==

When was it said that the Guardian is Xehanort's Heartless' true form? [[User:DannyP|DannyP]] 01:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
*Nowhere that I know of.  '''''[[User:Scottch|<font color=#00cccc>Scott]]</font>[[User talk:Scottch|<font color=#ff9900>ch]]'''''</font> 02:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that that's an incredibly cool theory with a definite basis in the design of the world of Chaos but I'm not sure it can be said with that kind of confidence.

Perhaps this idea should be removed from the article as their is no proof and people reading about the World of Chaos will be confused, or at least make clear it is a theory.

==Merge==

I think we should merge this with the Ansem and World of Chaos articles. Thoughts?
*I don't see a major reason for a merge.  We have articles that get pretty specific.  It's not so much that I have a big opposition to a merge as I just don't see any reason for it.  Any particular benefit you see from a merge?  '''''[[User:Scottch|<span style="color:#00cccc">Scott</span>]][[User talk:Scottch|<span style="color:#ff9900">ch</span>]]''''' 20:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

The Guardian is always seen with Ansem, and not much is known about it.  Plus, this article is a stub, and there's only so much we can add.

== His Shadow? ==

By the picture, It seems to connect to Ansems feet, (I know is isn't really Ansem, but I don't know how to spell what his real name is) but based on the picture, it looks like the Guardian is his shadow, and the persons darkness is very extreame that even his shadow takes form. [[User:Learner3|Learner3]] 23:43, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

== Name ==

A Heartless in 358, the big Surveillance Robot, is named "Guardian". Do we have any actual source for this being the name of Ansem's shadow?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 09:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Yes, one of Ansem's battle qoutes is "Come Gaurdian" in reference to that specific heartless.
::That doesn't actually confirm its name, it could very well be "Come guardian".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 04:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm just gonna point out that "Guardian" simply doesn't exist in the ''Kingdom Hearts'' and ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ Ultimania''s. And those are the same books that take the time to call Marluxia's crazy-ass mech "Spectre". We really need somebody who can understand spoken Japanese to play the Japanese version of that battle. [[User:Plackers|Plackers]] 22:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'm going to go ahead and merge this page with Xehanort's Heartless the way we did with the World of Chaos components. It doesn't have any unique stats, is essentially his method of fighting, and has no official name.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 09:46, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== TEMPLATE ISSUE! ==

{{DTN|text=The infobox at the beginning of this article isn't appearing after I put in the Youmay template! Could somebody please fix this?}}
:Also, I can't actually figure out why I split this into two different stat boxes, when every other enemy, like Behemoth and Darkside, just combines them, except that the guide says so. The only real difference is that one is fought alone while the other is fought with allies, and there is small changes in the battle strategy, while Darkside and Behemoth behave the same. However, we also have the CoM situation, where the first is a tutorial battle, and the second is a real battle. Do you guys think this amounts to enough to split it into multiple tabs, or not?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

==Ansem==
Shouldn't this be under "Ansem (Boss)"? He's never refered to as Xehanort's Heartless in any games in which he's fought. Should we really take a name from the sequel--in which he isn't even a boss--and use that as the boss page title? Ansem (Boss) isn't even a redirect! That's easily fixable, but that's not the point. You never once fight "Xehanort's Heartless." Even if "Ansem" is revealed in the sequel to be XH, he is never once fought under that name. I'm not saying the main article should be renamed, but at least the boss page should fit the name he's fought as ingame, should it not? [[User:Dazuro|Dazuro]] 20:43, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
:Personally, I agree with Dazuro. This and [[Riku (Xehanort's Heartless)]] should use the "Ansem" name, because that's what they are called. Riku even calls himself Ansem at that point.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 21:36, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

==Do Not Deny...==
{{EO|time=00:55, December 10, 2009 (UTC)|text=Thanks to the better sound quality in Re:CoM and Richard Epcar's better annunciation, I finally figured out what that stupid "Do not deny your..." battle quote is. Plain and clear as day when I beat him with nothing but Card Duels, it's "Do not deny your fear!"}}
==Dark form==
Could someone add a tab for Ansem's second form in ''Dream Drop Distance''.--[[Special:Contributions/58.7.184.89|58.7.184.89]] 03:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC) [[File:Ansem (Second Form) KH3D.png|thumb|100px]]
*It needs to be added.--[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 05:07, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
::I'd like to add it, but how should I do it ? -- http://www.pokepedia.fr/images/4/40/Miniat_Braviaggron.png [[User:Braviaggron|<span style="color:teal">Bravi</span>]][[User talk:Braviaggron|<span style="color:#2F4F4F">aggron</span>]] 14:43, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

==Riku==
In the last fight with Riku in the original ''Kingdom Hearts'' you are actually fighting Ansem, so shouldn't that fight be on the Ansem boss page instead of the Riku boss page.--[[Special:Contributions/220.253.159.152|220.253.159.152]] 10:53, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:He looks like Riku and he fights like Riku, so no. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 15:28, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::It's a character called Riku-Ansem according to the canon, but is called "Riku" in the official guides. It should probably be on the Riku-Ansem page, as we did with young Xehanort.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:01, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Isn't Riku-Ansem Riku in Ansem's body and not the other way around? Also, Riku-Ansem's boss fights are on Riku's page already. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:44, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
::::I believe that Riku-Ansem is Riku when he looked like Ansem(we all know this), and Ansem-Riku is Riku possessed by Ansem. Though I could be wrong. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 18:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
:::::Y'all are right, I confused Riku-Ansem with the possession of Riku's body. We don't actually have a page for Ansem-Riku, and I can't at the moment verify whether that is even the real name. Right now, I can confirm that the official Bradygames guides call the Dark Mode Riku/Ansem hybrid "Riku", and call the Riku taking Ansem's form hybrid "Man in the black robe" or "Mysterious Enemy" (i.e., "[[Unknown]]"). Days calls the taller hybrid "Riku-Ansem", but as far as I know there's no official name for the shorter hybrid other than the guide calling it "Riku". The Memorial Ultimania ([http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/kh_07.png here]) calls it "Riku (Ansem)". I can't find the KH Ultimania boss scans, though. What's annoying is that Riku-Ansem conflicts with the naming for Ventus-Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort, which both have the possessor's name second...unless we're meant to infer that Ansem ''is'' mustering control from Days to KHII.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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Riku-Ansem is not Riku in Ansem's body (because Ansem does not have a body unless he is possessing Riku). Component wise, Dark Mode Riku/Ansem hybrid (KHI) and Riku-Ansem (Days/KHII) are both the same character (both have Xehanort's Heart, and Riku's Heart and Body), though Ansem is in control of the former while Riku is in control of the latter. I suggest we make a Game:Riku-Ansem page that has "Riku (Keyblade)" and "Mysterious Man" on it, or we transfer "Riku (Keyblade)" to Game:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness.--[[Special:Contributions/220.253.159.152|220.253.159.152]] 06:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:The problem with that is that Riku (Keyblade) looks like Riku and is called Riku, and not Ansem or Riku-Ansem. Also, I don't think the order of the name is connected to who possesses who; Riku-Ansem and Terra-Xehanort just sound better than Ansem-Riku and Xehanort-Terra. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
::Well, the Memorial Ultimania calls it "Riku (Ansem)". That's the best official name we have right now, as Riku (Keyblade) was made by us for parsing purposes.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
:::Yup, but should "Riku (Ansem)" be on Game:Riku or Game:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness?--[[Special:Contributions/220.253.159.152|220.253.159.152]] 02:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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 ::::I believe that Riku-Ansem is Riku when he looked like Ansem(we all know this), and Ansem-Riku is Riku possessed by Ansem. Though I could be wrong. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 18:52, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
 :::::Y'all are right, I confused Riku-Ansem with the possession of Riku's body. We don't actually have a page for Ansem-Riku, and I can't at the moment verify whether that is even the real name. Right now, I can confirm that the official Bradygames guides call the Dark Mode Riku/Ansem hybrid "Riku", and call the Riku taking Ansem's form hybrid "Man in the black robe" or "Mysterious Enemy" (i.e., "[[Unknown]]"). Days calls the taller hybrid "Riku-Ansem", but as far as I know there's no official name for the shorter hybrid other than the guide calling it "Riku". The Memorial Ultimania ([http://images.khinsider.com/2014%20Uploads/10/Memorial%20Ultimania/kh_07.png here]) calls it "Riku (Ansem)". I can't find the KH Ultimania boss scans, though. What's annoying is that Riku-Ansem conflicts with the naming for Ventus-Vanitas and Terra-Xehanort, which both have the possessor's name second...unless we're meant to infer that Ansem ''is'' mustering control from Days to KHII.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:17, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
+{{OpenTalk}}
 Riku-Ansem is not Riku in Ansem's body (because Ansem does not have a body unless he is possessing Riku). Component wise, Dark Mode Riku/Ansem hybrid (KHI) and Riku-Ansem (Days/KHII) are both the same character (both have Xehanort's Heart, and Riku's Heart and Body), though Ansem is in control of the former while Riku is in control of the latter. I suggest we make a Game:Riku-Ansem page that has "Riku (Keyblade)" and "Mysterious Man" on it, or we transfer "Riku (Keyblade)" to Game:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness.--[[Special:Contributions/220.253.159.152|220.253.159.152]] 06:30, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 :The problem with that is that Riku (Keyblade) looks like Riku and is called Riku, and not Ansem or Riku-Ansem. Also, I don't think the order of the name is connected to who possesses who; Riku-Ansem and Terra-Xehanort just sound better than Ansem-Riku and Xehanort-Terra. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:53, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 ::Well, the Memorial Ultimania calls it "Riku (Ansem)". That's the best official name we have right now, as Riku (Keyblade) was made by us for parsing purposes.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
 :::Yup, but should "Riku (Ansem)" be on Game:Riku or Game:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness?--[[Special:Contributions/220.253.159.152|220.253.159.152]] 02:50, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
-::::As Ansem's name is in parenthesis, I'd say Game:Riku. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
-:::::Update, "Riku (Keyblade)" is from the first KH Ultimania. I was wrong about us inventing it. "Riku (Keyblade)" would probably be better for the Game: pages, but "Riku (Ansem)" is more illustrative of the hybrid for plot purposes. Thoughts?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
-::::::I would go with "Riku (Keyblade)", to avoid confusion with Riku-Ansem. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:09, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
-== Ansem II's lasers in KH3D ==
-The tables say they have no elements, but the sound they do when they hit are like light-base attacks, this attack sounds like it does light damage. So, does it do light damage ? {{User:Braviaggron/Sig}} 18:12, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
-:Not according to the official guide.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:48, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
-::This guide doesn't always make sense... {{User:Braviaggron/Sig}} 14:16, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
-:::Maybe, but the only way to be sure is to actually test whether light resistance modifies the damage.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)