Editing Forum talk:Magazine and Podcast!

==Archive==
===Magazine===
====Discussion====
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|default=Here's the pages I think we should keep for the magazine, aside from the cover, contents, and three news pages (one for KH, two for both Wikis). Note that I don't think the magazine should include Featured Articles since they have their own dedicated sections on the Wiki anyway.
*Special Editor Page: Topic and writer changes entirely from issue to issue (e.g. in one edition it could be a theory while in another, it could be an analysis of all Sora's costumes) FinalRest came up with this idea.
*Dive to the Heart: FinalRest came up with an idea of a game tutorial and a wiki tutorial, however considering we have a Wiki's worth of information (and we even have walkthroughs now!) the game tutorial will be pointless. We should probably focus on the wiki tutorial (e.g. customising talk bubbles or different ways of linking)
*Round Room: FinalRest's idea of a staff roundtable with quotations and dialogue between staff. What conversation topics could we have, though?
*User Page (unnamed): FR's idea. It will contain a user interview (about what, we need to figure out), top 5 list (e.g. top five magic commands) and a review, which doesn't always have to be about games. We have other topics too like mangas, battle abilities and gameplay mechanics.
*The Game Grid: FR's idea: place for puzzles and riddles. I think we could perhaps host competitions around them and give out accolades to the winner.
*Interactive Page: FR's idea: it would have a mailbag and FR also had ideas of "5 tasks for khwiki.com", "5 tasks for the Keyhole" and "5 tasks for KH games". I don't entirely understand what those would be so perhaps we should replace it with a poll.

So what do you think guys? We need everyone's opinions and ideas so this project doesn't die out again!}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:51, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|text=I think for the Interactive Page, FR might have meant 5 tasks that we want users to do for the KHWiki, 5 tasks needed for the Keyhole, and 5 challenges to do in "X" game(s), where X is any or many of the Kingdom Hearts games. By the way, just thought we should have an area for people to sign-up for the magazine.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:46, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=I was wondering what happened to this project. Maybe we could have a page (or fit somewhere on the page) with a user's fanart. (KH-universe related of course.) There would have to be a few rules in place, but if someone wants to submit a drawing of Sora or something, there could be a user that would take submissions through email, and put it in the appropriate dedicated section.

We could have a section that advertises The Mirage arena and The Underdrome, like "This weeks fights" and they could like to the arenas.

"The magazine will be coded on the Wiki and the podcast will be in the form of an .ogg file." By "the wiki" are you referring to khwiki.com, The Keyhole, or both?

"Who can write the coding?" Since the main structure is pretty much completed (from what I can tell) Different users can edit different pages. Perhaps a sign up list is in order if there isn't one already? (I feel like we did do this, but I can't remember ._.)

This was going to be released bimonthly correct?

I think that once things get going, this should be put on the site notice at the top of every page?

Why isn't this stickied? This seems rather important from what I can see.}}

:Okay, I've got up with some ideas: first, what about the user page being called, "The Keyblade Master" or something like that? Mirage Arena and Underdrome current battles will be held at the same pages of their news. And that's it for now :) - {{User:MateusinhoEX/SigTemplate}} 13:16, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|default=A fanart page sounds good ("Namine's Sketchbook" would be the obvious title) since readers can make requests through the mailbag. We could have a section for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome but considering each issue will be released after three month, we'll need a tournament bracket to fill in the last three months and then a "This week's fight" for the next upcoming ones. About having the "5 tasks", I don't think we need them as projects sounds like something that should go in the wiki summary of what's been happening in the past three months. "The Keyblade Master" sounds great.

I'm not sure what wiki will host the magazine yet. Which Wiki already gets more visitors? I think the one with less visitors should host it so that more traffic can come its way, as long as the Wiki with more visitors advertises and links to the magazine on the main page. Also, the initial plan was it was going to be released bimonthly but in a roundtable we decided to have it every quarter year. That way, the news sections have a chance to be more fleshed out and we have more time to actually write the thing. In other words, we favoured four issues that had oompth, in a year, rather than six slightly lackluster ones.

This thread could be stickied and site noticed but we need an admin for that (*hint hint*) :P

In other news, I added a list of posts we'll need to be more specific since a general sign-up list usually doesn't go well as people don't know what their individual job is. People should change posts each issue to keep things fresh. I also thought of an idea for the puzzle/riddle competition. What we could do is make the readers email their answers through the mailbag and then, we'll get all the names of the people who were correct and give them accolades for their user pages. The interesting part is we pick one of the names out of a hat (or in the internet's case, a random name generator) and give them the "golden" prize, which is having their name featured on the next magazine issue. Thoughts?

'''EDIT:''' To ensure this project doesn't die out again, here's the list of pages we'll need for the magazine:
*Cover
*Contents
*Podcast link + summary.
*"Trinity Archives" (KH News Report)
*"Unlocking the Keyhole "(The Keyhole Report)
*"The Door to Light" (KHWiki.com Report)
*Mirage Arena and Underdrome tournament brackets and "This week's fight"
*"The Keyblade Master" (Special Editor Page)
*"Dive to the Heart" (Wiki tutorial)
*"Round Room" (dialogue between staff)
*"Mark of Mastery" (User interview, top 5 list and review)
*"Naminé's Sketchbook" (Fanart)
*"The Game Grid" (Puzzle/Riddle)
*"Interactive Page" (mailbag and poll) still nameless.
At this moment, we've already worked out the magazine's skeleton. We now need an updated template and we should start writing the actual content (I'm writing mine in my userspace). Remember to add your names to the sign-up above!}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 22:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Update: I've written a draft for the wiki guide and top 5 list [[User:TheFifteenthMember/Workshop|here]]. Keep in mind that the wiki guide will probably look much nicer with breaks and things to make stuff actually look like code. How is it?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|text=Well, I was hoping we could have the magazine hosted on the Keyhole, since it seems to be the one without much traffic nowadays. However, it's seeming like few are interested (Only Chain has come to make any contribution, and I'm sure he's not the only one there).

Concerning the code, what else needs to be done? MEX seems to have done basically everything, all that's needed is the actual content, from my perspective.

What's a mailbag? Sorry if that's a stupid question, but I don't get it from context.

Things have sure slowed down since the Roundtable, haven't they? We need to bring this to more people's attention before it dries up again.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 05:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I have brought this up with a few users at the Keyhole, I'll let you know what they say when they get back to me. Why can't we have it on both sites?

A mailbag is where people send in questions, and we answer them publicly.

How else can we bring this to more people's attention?}}

{{FinalRest|time=14:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hullo! I'm excited the magazine idea is up and running again. ^_^ Although I'm a bit reluctant to sign up for things, because I don't want to stick my name on things I won't be able to follow through on. :S

But anyway, for clarification, the 5 tasks for the interactive page are pretty much a way to trick people into editing. 5 small tasks that need doing around both wikis so people can maybe set it as a goal to do everything on the tasks list. Then the game tasks are to stop that section from being all business. :)

For hosting, why not host on both sites?

Also, although I'm not sure I have the time to write articles, I'd be more than happy to proof read articles and add them into the templates. Where should I sign my name to do that?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:11, 17 April 2014 (UTC)|persuade=Okay, we could definitely host it on both sites! There's quite a bit of code left to do, considering we've reskinned the project and modified parts. Also, I still think the "game tasks" isn't a good idea because I doubt anyone will appreciate us telling them what to do in a game. Really, most people have played their KH games already, so unless anyone can think of some good ones, the challenges will be a rather useless space. If we do that, the "only business" element would've went so we could move the tasks to the relevant Wiki report pages.

Question: Can someone elaborate on the Round Room and user interview ideas? What sorts of things could we do?

Also, I'd like to remind everyone that we shouldn't bite off more than we can chew. We'll need to be writing quite a few articles later on so I'm hoping everyone is thinking of ideas. I'm afraid the "Sign-Up" sheet is putting people off so I think I'll restructure it in a way that people can post their ideas/drafts for each page and then the writers can take it from there. Hopefully, that doesn't force editors to have a massive commitment but lets them contribute at whatever level they're comfortable with. That'd be needed to write every issue so we probably need a page in the "KHWiki:" space, like the Votes for Featured Media. We need a place where both Keyhole and '.com users can discuss together, though. 

On a final note: If we're releasing each issue after every three months, we'll need to divide the year into quarters. The simplest way to do that is releasing an issue on every January, April, July and October. Considering E3 is mid-June, I'm hoping our first issue will be ready for the coming July and that leaves us over two months. If we spend the first month going over formats and writing the magazine template, we can start writing content and recording the podcast in the second month. Do you guys think that's an achievable target?}}

{{MEX|time=14:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)|happy=Okay, almost done with the coding. About the game grid, got two ideas. For puzzles we could do something like that classic "Who is this Pokemon?", but with Dream Eaters, Heartless, Nobodies, Unversed and even characters. In the riddles, if someone can think off, we can put a quote for people to tell from who it is. Ideas? Also, counted Cover as page 1 and COntents as page 2 just because... well... come on, it's cool to have exactly 13 pages in a KH magazine XD.}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 03:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=I know a certain someone that's pretty good at riddles... lemme see if I can get him on board. I do like the "Who's that pokemon?" idea though. Could there possibly be prizes for getting them right?}}

{{FinalRest|time=16:16, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|happy3=Welp, the idea for the game tasks was sort of like the extra challenge things some users created over on the Keyhole. An example of the three types of task could be
*Keyhole: Create a Treasure Chest locations table for any of the KHII worlds
*KHWiki: Expand one of any of the stub sections
*Game: Defeat Sephiroth three times in a row without dying
Yano, crazy crap like that. ^_^ We could also post the sigs of people that complete the tasks as a bit of boasting rights. :)

The Round Room was originally going to be a page for Staff members to get together and chat about a randomly chosen KH question. But, looking at it now, that's pretty much what the podcast will be. So should we change the Round Room page to a page for the podcast? To fill out the page I think it might also be a good idea to add a transcript of the podcast, if that's possible to do.

The user interviews were a way to introduce veteran editors. A short little chat of maybe 5 questions, to give an idea of who they are as both an editor and a fan of the KH series.

Are the issues still going to be themed to give the entire issue a sense of cohesion? Or are we just gonna talk about everything and anything? :D

For the Coliseum page I think just having a link to both of our arenas would be a little too less for an entire page. So I was thinking of how we could make that page a little more worthwhile and I came up with the idea of a user debate. All we'd need is two willing users with opposing opinions to discuss either a) two random KH related things or b) one or both of the arena battles linked. They could take a serious approach to why they think their side is the superior skill/object/character/plot point, or they could turn it into a bit of a comedic thing. Thoughts? Or any other ideas? If we can't think of anything to fill the page, I think it might be best to move the links to either the wiki reports pages, or the game page.

You made a good point about the wiki already having game tutorials available, but I still think it'd be a good idea to include small game walkthroughs. What I think would be good would be to take extracts out of the walkthroughs and include them in the tutorial page. For instance, we can have something like "How to beat Terra-Xehanort" and underneath that we link to the rest of the BBS walkthrough. That way we're generating interest in other parts of the wiki.

Almost done! Do we have someone who can whip/is whipping up title images for the different sections of the magazine? Cause we only have text right now to head each section, and that's kind of bland. ;D

Finally, [[Forum:Wiki Newsletter Take II|here's the link]] to the first wiki mag forum I opened here. It explains the round room and interviews etc better there. :)}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:28, 18 April 2014 (UTC)|default2=Well, I can do the images, since I have Photoshop. Just tell me what they are meant to look like, a concept of sorts, and I can start on that this weekend.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:12, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=MEX, those are great ideas! To make the "Guess the Quote" puzzle more wholesome, maybe we can turn it into a "Who am I?" riddle by including more facts and details. For example:
*I was once a Heartless.
*I wield a Keyblade.
*"Friends are my Power!"
'''-Who am I?-''' ''Answer: Sora'' 

Except, the riddle would be harder and not as obvious :P 

If we have a "Guess the Heartless", "Who am I?" and the riddle CoF's "certain someone" will provide, we can have three segments for our puzzle page, which sounds pretty great to me! Earlier, I mentioned having a competition where people email their answers and the ones who get everything correct gets a special mention. The only prize I can think of, other than an accolade and a special mention, is them getting first priority in posting questions to the mailbag and making requests for the Namine's Sketchbook. The special mention means we can include a fourth section on the puzzle page that contains the answers for the previous issue's puzzles and those special mentions. Side note: KHWiki and the Keyhole does have a shared email account, right?

The Round Room can be the podcast's hub page then. It can include a summary such as "In July's podcast, we talk about..." and then a bulleted list. Although it's a nice idea, I fear a transcript would be too hard to write since it would require insane amounts of work- we'd have to sit there, typing out half-an-hour's worth of dialogue word for word :<

The user interviews could use the speech bubble design we first had planned for the Round Room (cos that was a nice design :P). The game tasks sounds okay to me now, but perhaps we should limit them to either one, two or three so that they're more concentrated and, err, "focused" if that makes sense (that goes for the Wiki ones too).

Lastly: The Coliseum. We can probably scrap the tournament bracket and "This week's fight" entirely and replace it with a simple link to the MA and Underdrome. Reason being, a latecomer who reads the issue a couple of weeks after its release would be misled when "This week's fight" actually turns out to be "Two weeks ago's fight". I do like the idea of an opinionated argument between two users. It'd be like an extended Keyblade Graveyard.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=02:25, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|confused=All this time, I thought the Round Room was related to the Roundtable, and was meant to be a summary of relevant points from the recent Roundtables of both wikis! Well, screwed that one up. 

On another note, with so many changes, I'm beginning to lose track of what actually still needs to be done before the articles themselves are created. Asking mostly because I want to be involved with the coding, unless, of course, I'm no longer needed. In which case, I really should probably get back to that manga chapter list template. Ahh! I'm so confused....and tired... not sure what to do. Maybe I'll be back next week with a clearer mind...}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)|sad=Sorry about the confusion, I'm going to post a summary and "to do list" soon. And I'm hoping "soon" is tomorrow but I can't make any promises I can't keep :<

Also, question about FR's proposal to post the sigs of anyone who completes a task: Should we demand a screenshot/camera pic for people from people who claim to have completed a game task, like how we done for the End of Year Event 2012? That immediately prevents a lotta cheating, sockpuppets, etc.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 14:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC)|default=I made [[KHWiki:Magazine|this]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|this]] but they didn't prove to be as useful as I envisioned them to be. Can anyone make the Journalist Spot better? Anyway, I'll post a list of suggestions for magazine template later (on MEX's draft).}}

{{Chainoffire|time=[[File:Eternal_Flames_KHD.png|30px]]'''[[User:Chainoffire|<font color=orange><big>Chain</big>]]</font>[[User talk:Chainoffire|<font color=#B22222><big>offire</big>]]'''</font>[[File:Pizza Cut KHD.png|20px]] 16:56, 22 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas= (The page looks good to me.) Side note: KHWiki and The Keyhole do not have a shared email account. Heck, I don't even think that The Keyhole has a site-wide email account.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:10, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First of all, sorry, I had to use this cool new Tron talk bubble.

Now that that's out of the way, to business. TheFifteenthMember has posted some things on the Magazine Test's [[User_talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest|<font color=#FFFFFF>talk page</font>]], and I've gone as far as I could. Basically, the info was added to the contents page, added a cover area and parameter for the Cover image, and commented out the logs on "Door to the Light". Just like FM, I'm not sure if the Keyhole still wants that, it's up to them. I left the New Users log, and I think that should just highlight our new regulars here, rather than every new account made.

I've also altered "The Coliseum". I've called the debate floor "Station of Awakening", after the location of Sora and Roxas's fight. If you guys come up with a better/more wanted name, go right ahead. I put as a comment that I think an altered version of the Mirage Arena's match template (for color scheme's sake, it'd be the Second Chance Template) should be created, dedicated to the Magazine, which could be used for the debate.

I chose not to mess around with "The Round Room". The code seems a little complicated with the whole talk bubbles, and I'd rather not mess it up. The same applies to "The Mark of Mastery Exam", since FM suggested moving the talk bubble thing to this page, though I did rename it.


I changed the color scheme for the first box of "The Grid", more for suggestions' sake (if we're using the name, is should have the scheme). I also split the columns for the "Guess the Beast" and Puzzles sections.


Finally, I split the columns in "Flick Rush", as suggested, and added parameters for the KHWiki, Game, and Keyhole tasks. I recall there was a request for a better name. If I may, would "Traverse Town Mailbox" or "Moogle Shop" work? Something else? Or do you guys want to leave it alone?
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{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:30, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|xemnas= First of all, that bubble looks amazing.

Secondly, I don't think The Keyhole is opposed to scrapping the log updates for those reasons. I'll notify FR and see what she says.

Thirdly, for those of you who don't know, this wiki doesn't actually have polls by using the <poll> tags. So instead, we've had to resort to a website called polldaddy.com to embed polls. Unfortunately, unless you have a polldaddy account, you only get to choose from certain designs. I did a mock poll for the Flick Rush page in [[User:Chainoffire/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. We get a choice of 3 sizes: small, medium and large. The small size is the only one that will fit into the magazine template without expanding it wider than a snake can unhinge it's jaw. But it looks really skinny for the section, is there anyway we can improve this section?}}

{{FinalRest|time=08:51, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy4=Sorry for taking a while to get back to you KSM, but for the images right now I think the page titles are a good place to start. All the pages just have the titles in text, which is boring. I don't think we ever came up with any ideas for how the title images should look, so feel free to do whatever you think would look best. :)}}

{{FinalRest|time=10:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy5=So I was working on the code and realized that the KH series updates page is called the Trinity Archives, after the news page here, but on the Keyhole ours is called Jiminy's Journal. So what do you think about the merging the two names? I was thinking something like The Trinity Journal or Jiminy's Archive...

Also, for that page trailers would need to be added when they're released, but I'm having trouble embedding videos in the test code. Can someone help with that? Finally, I would like to add some space between the boxes (maybe 5px or so), but I couldn't figure out how, despite trying margins and padding in all sorts of ways. ^_^ Can anyone solve this problem?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|confused=For the poll, we could make the entire poll column thinner, giving more space to the mailbag but balancing out the empty space. Also, I still think we should scrap the "New Users" on the wiki reports as it's hard to determine what classifies a "regular editor". If there's anyone that has done a truly tremendous amount of work, we can give them a shoutout in the news summary.

"Jiminy's Archive" sounds the best, which reminds me that we should add links to both Wiki's respective news pages at the bottom. Speaking of which, khwiki.com has made plans to partner with KHInsider so that a member from KHInsider writes our Trinity Archives for us (all official like). The details hasn't been worked out yet but I've heard from Erry that KHInsider is interested . If the deal goes through, should we put the journalist to good use and ask if he can write the news for the magazine too?

FR: Nice design for the "Jiminy's Archive" by the way.}}

{{MEX|time=14:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|happy=Awesome changes there FR. I loved all of them, specially the new gradient design for the  Trinity Archives. If you guys want, the name can simply be changed to Jiminy's Journal to match the Keyhole. Any way, I don't know excatly how to embed videos in wiki text, but I will check up on the margins now. Thanks for the help, I'm kinda busy again this week.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:40, 26 April 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First of all, I really love what was done with the archives page. Should we do that with all the pages/more pages? Regarding the name, I'd rather give it a whole new name, like "Reports" or something like that, if possible.


Videos are easily embedded,  if we want something like what's on the game articles.


What do you mean, FR, by separating the boxes?


About the poll, I've been meaning to ask,  how hard is it to simply install the poll extension? I bfound the article on MediaWiki, and I have to wonder whether it's easier to do that than deal with poll Daddy.
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{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)|normal=What about something like "Ansem Report" or something like that?

15M: If the journalist is interested, I'd say go for it. But how would the KHWiki Trinity Archives differ from the magazine Trinity Archives?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 12:19, 27 April 2014 (UTC)|default="Ansem Reports" is okay. CoF: The KHWiki Trinity Archives would be updated to the minute, acting as a news feed of sorts for up-to-date information and nitty-gritty details. The magazine news would be more like a recollection of the major news that broke through in the last three months.}}

{{FinalRest|time=06:49, 1 May 2014 (UTC)|normal=KSM, could you add some videos to the test for the Ansem Report page, please? I can't get them to work....

For the boxes, you see how on the Report page there's a grey border around the outside? Well I want the same amount of space to go between each box on that page, to make them a bit more separate from each other. Does that explain it better?

I'll change the name to Ansem Reports now. :) And feel free to tinker around with the aesthetics of the other pages!

EDIT: Okay, I finished the Unlocking the Keyhole page. You can see the changes [[User talk:MateusinhoEX/MagazineTest#Test|here]]. List incoming!
*The obvious change is playing with the colors. Thoughts?
*I've inserted examples of the logs section, so you can see the idea behind them. They're not meant to be a big list of every log entry, but more a summary of the important changes. The idea is that it gives us a way to make sure policies are properly understood, and it also serves to explain some changes new users might be confused by. We can still scrap it if you think its a waste of time. :)
*I changed the protection log box to other logs, cause protection on its own wouldn't fill up a box. :P
*The new users section was designed to give a bit of a warmer welcome to some of the newbies, as well as encourage veteran users to get to know them a bit better. The two effects of this section would hopefully be a) if the newbie knows they're mentioned specifically in the wiki mag, they'll have more reason to look at it and b) the newbie will feel like special attention had been paid to them, which would encourage them to stick around and help out. Of course listing every newbie will take forever, so I think the ones mentioned by name should be ones that put some effort into their user page, or those who have done some commendable editing since they joined.
*I added a Tea Parties section. The difference between this section and the Journal bit is that the journal will list things that weren't brought up via the Tea Parties.
All feedback/suggestions welcome!}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=03:49, 2 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Huh, the video is not working correctly. A lot harder than I thought.... Can anyone else help?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON='''Update!''' 
As you guys have surely noticed, FinalRest has been messing around with the gradients. Which has inspired me to do the same with some of the other pages. I used gradients to try and fulfill FifteenthMember's request for lighter colors, which worked, except for the purple link color, which kind of gets lost. Don't know if anyone wants to play with that.

I've added a space for the KHWiki Roundtable section, just like the Keyhole's Tea Party section.

I changed the colors of the Coliseum to a gold gradient with a light green border (see if anyone gets the meaning). I did this to differentiate with the page for Dive to the Heart. However, for the sections for the Mirage Arena and the Underdrome, I used gradients that match the Mirage Arena and Underdrome's respective arenas.

I added a section for the Special Editor page.

ChainofFire brought up something I was going to ask. I left the areas for where to submit items (proof of success in tasks from Flick Rush, mailbag questions, etc.) missing because I don't know where such info would be submitted. If we could agree to where that would be, I could hard-code it into the master template and leave it there.

FinalRest, regarding your requests. As far as the videos go, I haven't had time to try it since I tried last week. I'll have to try again, but for now, I'm not sure why the videos do not work. As far as the space between boxes (known as padding in the code), I've only found how to increase the space between the boxes and the edge of the page. Not yet how to add more space between the boxes themselves. I'll have to get back to that, too.

As I've mentioned on the Magazine's talk page, I'm kind of busy this week and next week for AP tests. I'll be back this weekend, and after next Tuesday. Until then, I may not be able to help out as much.}}

{{MEX|time=12:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)|happy=Guys... the magazine is looking great!!!! I loved the new color schemes and gradients, specially The Grid one, it's exactly just like the world colors itself!! Everything is being very well implemented, just as we tought. I'm not very active, but I'm checking in very often to see how things are going. Any help needed, just ask, I will jump right in to help!!!}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=03:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=So, the first of the title images are up on the Door to Light page. What do you guys think? I had to create the font myself over the last three days on Photoshop, so the font isn't perfect, it's the best I could do. FM mentioned on the Magazine talk page that Erry had created a banner, so we can remove the Mirage Arena and Underdrome sections. Finally, a question. Since the first issue is due by July, do we want to start assigning parts/sections of articles at this point. I would imagine things like Namine's Sketchbook would need to be started right now if we want it by July and stuff like that.<br>
'''EDIT''': Updated the Coliseum with a "Mirage-Arena-style" battle format/template for the Station of Awakening. I'm wondering if we should just drop on of the two names, and leave the page titled as either Station of Awakening or Coliseum, since we're dropping the Mirage Arena and Underdrome sections of the page.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=19:03, 10 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Small update I made this morning. I made the author parameters more uniform, now the author only needs to put in their username (some of the pages, like Flick Rush and Door to Light, needed the author to put the entire link to work). I also added the font color codes so that the links are still visible on the author names.

I commented out the sections for the Mirage Arena and Underdrome. Again, I wonder if we should just drop one of the two remaining names, and keep either Station of Awakening or Coliseum as the page name. The original purpose of the multiple names was that the Coliseum was the page name, and the sections had individual names for each battle. 

I adjusted the Station of Awakening sections so that they serve a better purpose. I might demonstrate my idea for the format on the test page. Any other suggestions on that section?

Finally, I renamed the Special Editor page to The Keyblade Master.

Thoughts?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 01:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)|sad=Before problems arise in the future, does the small change you made mean we can't have multiple authors? Will writing "Author X and Author Y" in the parameter will show up as "User:Author X and Author Y<nowiki>|</nowiki>Author X and Author Y"? If that's the case, we should either reverse the change or improve it further.

Yes, I think we should scrap the "Station of Awakening" and name the entire thing "The Coliseum". To note, I chose "The Coliseum" as a better name because "Station of Awakening" is too similar to the "Dive to the Heart". Anyway, the changes here look good but we should do an example to test it fully. Anyone want to do my "Dark Form vs Final Form" idea <small>with me supporting Dark Form</small>?

KSM: Namine's Sketchbook does need to be started but we need to find someone who can draw (anyone vying for the position?)

Lastly: Over the IRC, me and Erry combed over the naming scheme and release structure. We divide the year into four quarters and name each issue after the year and quarter of it's release. For example, the next issue that will be released in July will be tagged "Issue #1: 2014 Q3", and more specific details such as the exact month and date will go somewhere on the front cover. We'll divide the year simply, as follows:
*'''Quarter 1''': ''January'', February, March
*'''Quarter 2''': ''April'', May, June
*'''Quarter 3''': ''July'', August, September, 
*'''Quarter 4''': ''October'', November, December
<small>(A new issue will be released on each month written in italics)</small>
Thoughts?}}

{{FinalRest|time=04:13, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|happy=Phew, there's a lot to catch up on!

Thanks for giving the video and padding stuff a shot, KSM! I ran into the same problems you did, so if there's anyone else that can help, please give it a go!

FM, we can add in extra author tags for the pages that will have multiple authors. The naming structure sounds good to me!

Okay, now my update! I've played around with the wiki news pages, and made some minor edits.
*Moved Jiminy's Journal section to top of Unlocking the Keyhole. Figured that should be the first focus of the page.
*Added a Trinity Archives section on Door to Light.
*So the Command Board section was focused on projects that were going on, but the Door to Light should focus more on news. So I moved the test stuff from the Command Board into the Trinity Archives section, changing it a bit so it's more "look what we've started doing!" and less "these are the things that need doing." I hope you get what I was going for.

Anyway, that got me thinking about a section for listing projects. Do we want one of those? I was thinking we could put one on the Flick Rush page, since that's the page designed for user interaction. Thoughts?

Now, I have an idea for how we can put the coliseum page to good use, so I'll give that a go soon and see what you guys think.}}

{{FinalRest|time=10:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|happy2=Alright, I'm done with the Coliseum! Changes can be seen on the test page. This is what I've done:
*Added the recent battles section, which is how we can go over the fights that have ended since the last issue.
*Added coming soon section. For the image we can splice together all the contestants that'll be coming up in the battles between release and the next issue. That way we can generate interest for the current/future battles, without having to constantly update that page every time the current battle changes.
*Changed the station of awakening around a bit. For the versus bit, we can change the images to represent what the argument is about if able. For instance, if the discussion was Riku VS Sora, we would put images of Riku and Sora in the box. But for something that doesn't really have a picture representation (Strength/Defense for instance) we can put in the characters the two debaters will use to identify themselves, as I've done with the test page.
*I moved the old roundtable template for use in the SoA. Do you think it's easy to follow the convo, or should I make the gaps between boxes bigger? Also, should I put a "Username says:" in the speech bubbles, or so you think the avatars are good enough for identification?
*I couldn't really figure out how to implement the speech bubbles into the template for a conversation that has an undetermined length. Anyone who wants to put the speech bubbles in the template can find the code in the test section.
Thoughts? Anything you want to scrap? Any other ideas?}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:32, 17 May 2014 (UTC)|default=I like most of the changes to the Station of Awakening, but I'm still in favour of having a [http://i.imgur.com/XbnW05R.png banner] at the bottom of the page instead of the whole "coming soon" and "recent battles". While I appreciate them generating interest in the MA and UD, I feel they don't add anything meaningful to the magazine. On the other hand, the banner still advertises the arenas but does it in a more discreet, low key.

The speech bubbles are great FR! The only improvements I would make is widen the gaps between each bubble to make it more akin to a text message conversation and add the usernames above each bubble. Also, everything has a picture representation if we use symbolism. For example, the images for a "Strength vs Defense" fight can be a Dream Sword and Dream Shield.

And KSM: With the "Door to Light" title image, can't we use the font that was made for our logo?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I agree with FM in that the Station of Awakening could use a little work. I'm not sure I like the idea of summarizing the entire three month's battles, but I don't know. I wouldn't complain if it stayed that way. Regarding the image, I've tried a new image. Thoughts?}}

===Crunch Time===
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=Alright, it's June. According to the plan, now's the time to start writing up articles and making content so we should get going. There's still a few things we need to do for the template, however:
*Sort out the Coliseum. The meat of the article -the Station of Awakening- is mostly ready; the only tweak to be made is spacing out the talk bubbles. The main thing to decide is whether we prefer the banner or "coming soon" images.
*Add the "Game Tutorial" section for the Dive to the Heart.
*Remodel the entire Round Room page so that it includes areas for a description paragraph, agenda/summary points, the .ogg file and link to the YouTube version if we get that going.
*For the Mark of Mastery Exam, should we make the "Top 5" and "Review" boxes side by side to add some more [http://i.imgur.com/7L0KXAE.png verticality]. Also, will we use the talk bubble idea for the interview?
In terms of content, we've already written a few articles but have the majority left. The hardest things to make is the images (cover and Namine's Sketchbook).}}
{{MEX|time=19:54, 1 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=Hey guys, thank you very much for the Nomination, really. It's my birthday present :) Well, my vacation probably starts next week, so I will have some freetime during the nights. I would like to write the Game Tutorial, if possible, something related to KH2 or KH3D. I think hte vertical layout for the Mark of Mastery exam page fits better. The news page will probably contain hte announcements of E3, so we don't have to worry about it. Using the talk bubble for the Interview looks awesome, they look pretty good on the Magazine pages they were already implemented. Will make some adjusts to the Magazine NOW.}}
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=00:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, some final points we should take care of before the final publication.
*'''Location''': We need to determine where exactly the magazine will be hosted, as in the page. It's fine if it's on both sites, that's not my question. It's the page where it will ultimately belong. Since I don't think we plan on leaving it on MateusinhoEX's namespace.

*'''Articles''': These are basically the articles that still need a loving and caring writer. Maybe we should assign them, this being the first issue? Just a thought
#The Coliseum (Page 6)
#The Keyblade Master (Page 7)
#Dive to the Heart (Page 8) (I believe FM made a tutorial already, though I'm not sure.)
#The Mark of Master Exam (Page 10) (Especially/specifically the interview)
#Naminé's Sketchbook (Page 11) (Should we just use official art this time around like FinalRest did in the test? Since it's the first issue. Just a suggestion.)
#The Grid (Page 12) (Especially/specifically the riddles, since they're not done. Also, should there be some reward or mention of the answer to the previous riddles/puzzles in the next issue?)

*'''The Coliseum''': This has two parts.
**'''The Arenas''': How are we going to ultimately handle the sections for the Mirage Arena and the Underdrome? Should we highlight recent battles? Should we use a "Coming soon" section? If we reduce the mention of the Mirage Arena and Underdrome, then the discussion known as the Station of Awakening would have to lose its name, because it'd be a big enough part of the Coliseum that it just wouldn't make sense to give the section a separate name. I think we should have a "Coming Soon" section to highlight upcoming battles in the two arenas, but not a summary, because it no longer seems relevant since it's announcing the battles "after the fact" (AKA: Too late). Maybe, what we could do is move the currently-named (in case we drop the name) Station of Awakening to the top and move the links to the arenas to the bottom, since I still think it needs more than a simple banner. It's just that a summary of recent battles seems so...useless to me, in one sense. 
**'''Station of Awakening''': For the Station of Awakening, how would that be handled? Do we just have a random discussion between two users, just because? Because that seems to be unnecessary, and will ultimately be ignored. I know that the one in the test is that way to represent a test, but we should probably establish some way this should be carried out. Rather, I think we should have a battle structure, where the two users (in this case, FR and Chain) submit their reasons for why their side is better/correct as one statement, then they submit rebuttals to their opponents' arguments. So it'd be (for example): FR's why defense bonus doesn't suck, then Chain's why strength bonus doesn't suck, then FR's rebuttal/counterargument as why defense bonus doesn't suck and why Chain is wrong, and then Chain's rebuttal/counterargument as why strength bonus doesn't suck and why FR is wrong. And maybe we could have a vote or something at the end, somewhat like in the Mirage Arena.

*'''Ansem's Report''': This could probably be settled afterwards, but are we going to ultimately hand this over to the people from Kingdom Hearts Insider? Or should this stay something among us? I know that we will ultimately have to write this ourselves this time around, since we still don't have an affiliation anyways. Still, something to keep in mind. 

We're down to half-a-month 'till July! Really excited to finally publish this!}}

{{FinalRest|time=05:58, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|happy2=Okay, first I'll give my answers to some of the above. :)
*'''Location''': I think we could put it in the Kingdom Hearts Wiki: namespace (I'm not sure if it's called that here or not...). Then I think for promotion, we should put links in the sitenotice's and sections on the mainpage.
*'''The Arenas''': I comment on this below, but I'll add some more input. From my point of view, the previous battles are for click baiting. The end game for this magazine is to generate new user interest in the wiki, right? So I think those links are good because they (hopefully) get people to go "Wow, Mirage Arena went up against Blank Points? That's a random battle, what else have they done over there?" and that (hopefully) leads to clicking on the arena, which (hopefully) leads to voting. The coming soon section is for the same reason. Instead of giving it all away, the idea is that readers go "Traverse Town, Leon and Gepetto are going to be in fights soon? Surely they won't be fighting each other? Who ''are'' they going to fight? I'll go take a look..." That's my thinking behind it, and if we decide to switch to a banner, I still strongly believe we need something to encourage that sort of thinking. Cause if we just stick a banner there, then it's just like "Oh, there's a link to the voting arenas. Welp, I don't vote there, so I won't click on it." I know these are all hypothetical situations, but I think we need to do everything we can to generate the interest in the sections which have our biggest (arguably) user participation.
*'''Station of Awakening''': Haha, I suppose I should've been a bit more serious with my test. :P Yep, the Station of Awakening will happen exactly as you describe. It's a debate, basically. The two users argue for what they think is better, and it's left to the readers to decide who has the better argument. As for moving it up the page, I did think about that, but I think I left it because I thought we should get the arena stuff out of the way first, and have the SoA as a little pop of interest at the end. But if more want the SoA to be moved up, I have no problem with doing so. ^_^
*'''Ansem's Report''': Yep, if KHInsider can do it, then why not?

Okay, now my own additions.
*'''Comments''': Are we going to leave a place for readers to comment? I think the hosting page should be protected from edits, but the talk pages should be left open for readers to comment on. A place where they can talk about the things in the articles and stuff.
*'''Editors in Chief''': I know this is listed in the sign up section, but it has no volunteers yet, when I think it's one of the most crucial jobs we need at the moment. I think two editors would be good. This is what the editors in chief would do:
#Serve as the wrangler for all the different volunteers, keeping track of who's doing what and if they're on track.
#Making sure each section has an assigned editor and, if volunteers have proven hard to find, completing the unassigned sections themselves.
#In charge of the magazine mailbox. Speaking of which, do we have an official mailbox yet? I've noticed people have started using the test mag as a proper place to stick their work, which isn't good, because then there's no mystery for when the whole thing is done! We need an email so people can send their completed work there and the chiefs can keep it private until release. Also, I need to know what the email is so I can add it into the code where necessary.
#Implementing everyone's work into the template and readying it for release.
#Sweeping the completed magazine for grammar errors.
#Selecting for the sections where selection is necessary. Eg: Choosing the mailbox question, the guess the beast etc.
#Contacting those whose work was featured in the magazine when it is released: the artists, newbie editors mentioned on the first page. They pretty much have to do talk page magazine promotion. :D
#Altering the codes so they work properly on both the Keyhole on the KHWiki.
#Writing the contents page.
#Prettying up the format of everyone's articles. This includes adding images to spice up wall's-o-text.
#Writing the Round Room summary.
#Sorting through the answers to our puzzles/to do lists and awarding medals/including mentions as necessary.
#General bad-assery.
I really think an editor is what we need right now to pull together all the strings we have woven so far. So, anyone want the job?}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:25, 14 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON='''Location''': I think [[KHWiki:Magazine]] is a good place to put it. The section "The Plan" could probably be moved to the Journalist Spot. What do you guys think? Or is there a better name?

'''The Arenas''': Of course, it's all to convince readers to go to the Mirage Arena and Underdrome. However, I feel that it might drain out the Station of Awakening, which is why I suggested to move it to the top. IF we could somehow make the sections for Coming Soon and Recently (which, I guess makes sense to have), then I think it would look better, without totally depriving the Mirage Arena and Underdrome of much-needed attention. Because, I don't think a banner is suffice.

'''Comments''': I think it's a good idea to have comments on the talk page. And we can archive them. Or something like that.

'''Editor in Chief''': I feel that, since it's a joint project with the Keyhole, that it should be one person from each site. That's my thoughts on that. It seems that the Editor in Chiefs have a lot of work, and some of it might not necessarily belong to them. Perhaps in some of the duties you highlighted, they should instead be in charge of making sure the work is done (for example, the Editors in Chief shouldn't ''have'' to alter codes or write the Round Room summary, but rather make sure that who ever knows how to has done it). All-in-all, though, the Editors-in-Chief seem like pretty important and needed people to get the magazine finalized. As far as the mailbox goes, it seems we're in a little snag at the moment, but we have an alternative until we determine if we need to make a new one or not.
}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:50, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|persuade=Replies, remarks and rebuttals!:
*'''Location''': I already made [[KHWiki:Magazine|this]] and [[KHWiki:Magazine/Journalist Spot|this]] for the KHWiki and the template page will be made later. We should probably transfer the template to the Keyhole a week before release in case there's any new issues or bugs that need fixing.
*'''The Arenas''': My mindset is that the Station of Awakening is enough motivation to visit the arenas. In my mind, a reader will look at the Station of Awakening and think "this discussion is pretty interesting, I want to go see more stuff like this" so then we'll invite them to the arenas in the form of the banner. The rest seems kinda superficial to me and they detract from the overall neatness and quality of the page. I do think the banner should include the titles "Mirage Arena" and "The Underdrome", though, and we should have a sentence below saying something like "For more heated debate, visit our two tournament arenas...". 
*'''Station of Awakening''': This should be moved up and then the title "Station of Awakening" should be removed so it's actually merged with "The Coliseum" since that's the page name. There's no need to have a separate name when there's no other sections to the page.
*'''Comments''': If we do this, we need to agree on a few things. Should it require registered users (I think "yes")? Should it require a certain number of edits (I think "no")? Is it a problem if the comments will be split with two separate comment pages on the two different Wikis.
*'''Editors in Chief''': Honestly, I think we no longer require a designated "Editor in Chief" and I know that I'm the one who first created that job title. From what I've seen, it's more effective (and heartening) to use discussion and cooperation to solve issues rather than a single person calling the shots. Here's how we can solve each job requirement:
#Using the "Journalist Spot", people submit their work and other people feedback and comment on it so there's no need to have a single, one person checking on it. Another part to the Journalist Spot is people offer ideas so if someone isn't "on track", they can get inspiration from the ideas or anyone can help them out.
#If there is an unassigned section, it's up to the entire community to figure out a way to solve the problem. It's no good laying down that heavy responsibility to a single person.
#Firstly, the email has been retrieved! The address is "KingdomHeartsWikiBcrat@gmail.com" and any admin (KHWiki or the Keyhole) can get the password off [[User:Erry|Erry]]. Secondly, I don't think it's necessary that everyone sends their work to be checked via email in a secretive, hidden manner. I believe it's important that the drafts are reviewed by the rest of the community so there's a variety of feedback, which will most likely be far more constructive. I don't think the average spectator goes around looking at peoples's userspace so it doesn't detract from the publicity we get from the final product. And besides, the magazine alone can bag us some new readers, visitors and editors, but the Journalist Spot -the magazine writing- is a reason for the new editors to stay, some of which may potentially stick around long enough to become long-term regulars, which is the important thing. Speaking of which, like how we have for the Trinity Archives, MA and Featured Content, should we have a total mainspace edit requirement for the Journalist Spot? Hopefully, that'd offer some motivation for new editors to actually get involved in wiki work first.
#Readying the issue for release '''is''' something that can't be done communally. But that wouldn't be for an "Editor in Chief"; it more fits the job description of a "Publisher". Even still, the publisher can change each issue and would just be a matter of someone capable saying "Yeah, I'll do this quarter's issue" a few days before release.
#Proof-reading is included when people review submitted works at the Journalist Spot.
#Selection can be done by discussing and voting at the Journalist Spot.
#Anyone can do talk page promotion. It'd just be the quickest who does it first. :P
#Coding issues can be solved by asking anyone who knows how to fix the problem.
#The contents page can be written by the Publisher too, I guess.
#On the journalist spot, people will feedback and tell people whether they should add more images or how they should add more images.
#The Round Room summary is a job best suited for the podcast team since they're the most knowledgeable on the subject.
#It's up to the admins who have access to the email account to look at the answers and sort out the awards and medals.
#Everyone has ''some'' badass inside them! :P
}}

{{FinalRest|time=16:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|normal3='''Location''': On the Keyhole I can open up a page named the same thing. I think the Wiki:Magazine page should serve as a directory to all our issues, while subpages should be used to host the issues individually (eg. Wiki: Magazine/Issue 1, Quarter 3).

'''The Arenas''': For me the point of the debate was to give readers a reason to actually get interested in that page. They scroll down to see the debate, but to do so they have to get through the adverts for the arenas first. Sort of like subliminal messaging. :P What if we put a seperate banner for each arena, then smush the recently + coming soon sections together. What I'm thinking of is the UD box will have the link banner and underneath it we write something like "Check out the Underdrom for exciting battles like..." and then we link to recent battles. Then we get both of the effects I'm looking for: "Oh, those are interesting battles, I wonder what they were like" *Goes to archives* "And there are going to be more battles like those? I better check it out!" *Goes to UD*

'''Comments''': Hmmm, that's a good point about the comments being separated... Is there any way to join them? And the registered users thing is a khwiki issue only, cause the Keyhole can't have anons anymore. >_> And I also don't think an edit count should be necessary, cause it seems pointless to exclude people from commenting when the point of the magazine is to encourage community involvement. :P

'''Editor in Chief''': Okay.... I don't think there's a polite way to say I completely disagree with not needing an editor. :S Yep, the EiC job is a lot of work, but that's the point. If whoever does the job is good at it, they'll be able to not only make sure all our volunteers get their stuff done, but that we also have enough volunteers to do all the work.

As for using the Journalist Spot to hold all the work... I just don't like that idea. I'm not saying discussion amongst peers is bad, but I think having all our work on display defeats the purpose, because there is no surprises left when the issue is done. And yeah, average users will not be seeing all the work, but vet editors probably will, and they need a reason to look at the finished magazine too. Even fellow volunteers need a reason to look at the finished product. See, our pool of volunteers is made up of some (but not all) of both our wiki's most dedicated editors. If they've already poured over everything in the magazine before publishing, then by the time the issue is out, they've already shared their opinions for the content. What I want to happen is that when the issue is published that is the only time editors will be able to form opinions on what's inside. If they've read, for instance, the Keyblade Master page while it was being edited, then they don't have a reason to see it in published form. But if they go to read the KM article they've never seen before, then they'll have opinions formed right then and there, and they'll hop over to the comments to share them, and then they'll strike up a conversation, which grabs the attention of other, less regular editors, and it gets more interest from there.

Now, as I said, I'm not against peers reviewing each other's work. I think we should still have a place like the Journalist Spot, where we can share what topics we're working on, as well as ask for help, or opinions etc. I didn't mean for the EiC to be the head honcho of everything, but more the person who handles the cohesion of the magazine by bringing everything into the template in a nice and tidy way. I also think having someone look over all the grammar (even if it's not the EiC) will encourage users who aren't wordsmiths to give volunteering a go.

For unassigned sections, I meant the EiC should be the fallback if no one is available. If we've got a month before publishing and no one is volunteering to do the Top 5 list, then the EiC needs to go around and personally pitch the job to people they know would be good at it. But, if there's a week before publication and no one has written a top 5, then the EiC will pick up the slack.

"I don't think it's necessary that everyone sends their work to be checked via email in a secretive, hidden manner." This isn't what I meant... I am terrible at explaining myself. :P What I mean is that when someone's section is done (after they've written it, and asked for second opinions etc) they send it to the EiC who's job it is to check for simple grammar stuff, stick it in the template and move the formatting around if it needs to be set up in a prettier fashion. It's sort of like if you write a book, you edit it and then send it to test readers. Then you make edits based on the feedback and send it to new readers. You make more edits, then send it to a professional editor and/or agent for the last round of feedback. By the time you send it to publishing, it's perfect and while the testers have the general idea of the book, they still check out the published version because it's an improved version with edits that make what they saw that much better. The other volunteers will be the test readers in this situation, while the EiC will be the agent/professional editor.

And I much prefer an email for finished work because I feel like that's a neutral area where all our volunteers' ideas can congregate. If we're going to set up all our articles in the journal spot, honestly, it's going to be harder to get Keyhole users to get involved because they prefer to work on the Keyhole. If we moved the journal spot to the Keyhole, KHWiki users who prefer to work here wouldn't come over. I feel like sending ideas to an email shared by both our communities means that volunteers can make their articles wherever they please, and then send it to the email for more opinions. If you wanted, we could also set up a sort of critique circle so if someone sends in their piece for review, we send it to another volunteer to check over. Then volunteers have seen some articles, but not all and they also have a way of communicating with other users for help/opinions.

Oh, publisher is probably what I meant. :P

So yeah, that's my opinion on it, but I will admit wanting these things has a lot to do with how I work on projects. I'm very... analytical in my processes. Like:
#Finish the template
#Ask for help with things I can't do on the template
#Work on the title logos
#Ask for opinions on the logos
#Once all the above is sorted, taken on whatever jobs are left. XD
So, keeping in that in mind, if I am outvoted in whether we need a EiC or not, I will bow my head in understanding. I would just feel more comfortable knowing there was someone there to pull everything together at the end. :)

'''Edit Count:''' Hmmm, I'm not really a fan of edit requirements... If we did want restrictions I would prefer them to be more lax, like overall total of edits, or time you've been a member of either wiki. If we were gonna do mainspace, I would like it to be low, because, frankly speaking, with the active editors our community has right now, I don't think we can turn our noses up at anyone willing to help. :D But again, that's just me, so feel free to outvote me. ^_^

'''Final Notes:''' If you are reading this right now and your name is not TheFifteenthMember, KeybladeSpyMaster or FinalRest, SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS! There's too much decision making here for us poor three. ;P}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:45, 15 June 2014 (UTC)|default=For the arena, are you suggesting it should be laid out like [http://i.imgur.com/C1rnywp.png this]? If so, then I'm happy with it.

With the EiC, it seems we have opposite views so I'll defend my points and then we should take a vote to find out which is the preferred method (and that means more people will need to voice their opinion!).

Firstly, even if veteran editors won't have any surprises left, they'd still be interested in seeing how all the different parts come together. I, for one, am excited to see the final product even though I've read some other people's drafts and work. Also, the veteran editors may not strike up much activity on the comments page but they'll be pretty active during the production period and that can also grab the attention of less regular editors and interest them to get involved. When we revived the magazine for MegaProject: Arise, I envisioned the community aspect to be more focused on working together to write the thing rather than discussing and commenting on the outcome. But even still, the comments section won't be left barren: when a less regular editor reads the magazine, has a reaction and writes a comment about it, the veteran editors can respond to it and create a conversation (e.g. "That's what I thought too!" or "Actually, I disagree as I prefer..."). The vet editors may have discussed their thoughts during production time, but they can still talk about their opinions later on too!

:''"when someone's section is done (after they've written it, and '''asked for second opinions''' etc)"''
I'm slightly confused by this. The journalist spot is meant to be a place where people go to get feedback on their work. If you want a writer to ask other people their opinions before sending it off for email, are you saying that you actually do agree with the Journalist Spot?

:''"The other volunteers will be the test readers in this situation, while the EiC will be the agent/professional editor."''
Hmm, that's an ineffective metaphor. Though the EiC will surely be a capable person, I doubt the EiC will be at a skill level significantly higher than the rest. What I think will actually happen is the writer gets feedback from someone on the Wiki (the "test reader"). The feedback includes a very detailed, constructive response and the written piece changes dramatically. The writer does the same to two more test readers (since the process FR mentioned usually happens three times). By this time, the written piece is essentially perfect. Finally, the writer sends his piece to the EiC but the piece has already been improved upon so many times that there's nothing for the EiC to change (if he's lucky, he'll find a spelling error or grammar mistake to fix). That spelling correction is hardly a significant enough improvement for the testers to still check out the final product.

The fact that the Journalist Spot is split between the two Wikis doesn't cause '''too''' much disruption. The editors can make his drafts on whichever Wiki he prefers; he'd only need to go to the Journalist Spot to link to his draft and prepare for feedback. That's not too much trouble is it? I'm sure that if someone seriously wants to get involved, he wouldn't mind making that tiny effort. Besides, the host for the Journalist Spot can alternate each quarter to keep things fair. If anything, I think this strengthens the sister-wiki relationship between KHWiki and the Keyhole and gives editors a chance to meet people from the other Wiki.}}
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=
*'''Location''': I guess we could do what FR said and have [[KHWiki:Magazine]] as the main page that directs to the actual issues ([[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 1]], [[KHWiki:Magazine/Issue 2]], etc.)
*'''Coliseum''': I'm not sure I understand what you guys have planned here. Here's what I think: We should do what FR said and leave the Mirage Arena/Underdrome at the top. This "Arena Section" will be split in two and be designed, I guess that way FM illustrated it, with a banner and coming soon part below. It shouldn't be too long; we don't want to drown out the Station of Awakening. That way, the focus is still on the Station of Awakening (the big dish), while we still let them enjoy and get the feelings FR is after with the Arena Section (the appetizers). I'm sorry, I'm really hungry right now....
*'''Comments''': Is this really a problem, to have them on separate locations? I don't think it'd be such a bad thing to have to go to both sites to read some reviews, a majority of which will probably be "Great job, guys, this looks great!" Is it really too bad to just look on both sites and find the feedback/suggestions we want to find?
*'''Edit Count''': Really, an edit count to comment? That seems...a little extreme, don't you think? As for getting involved, definitely an edit requirement, but in combination with general involvement. I think a good number is 75-125 edits. By general involvement, it would mean "Hey, so maybe you don't have all the games, or more than one, but you seem interested by your contributions in getting involved, so we'll let you help us out." For example, I make very few mainspace edits, because I'm down to just one game, really, and I definitely don't make very many image contributions, and that's all reflected in my [[Special:EditCount/KeybladeSpyMaster|<font color=#FFFFFF>edit count</font>]]. But what I do do is get involved in the projects, and in some wiki-related business that, I hope, is for the betterment of the site. And that, too, is reflected in my edit count, since the majority of my edits are on user talk pages, forums, and my own userspace. So I think we should let people who are actively involved in something, whether its in some [[Forum:MegaProject: Arise - Main Page Revamp|<font color=#FFFFFF>slow and dying community project</font>]] or [[Special:EditCount/TheFifteenthMember|<font color=#FFFFFF>in insane and flat-out awesome amount of Mainspace edits</font>]], if you're actively involved on the wiki elsewhere, you should be able to come on board and get involved with the Magazine. That's just my thoughts, though.
*'''Editor-in-Chief''': Wow, this has the most attention than the actual magazine. Here's my thoughts. I feel there should be one or two people that should be in charge of the magazine. There should be a person where, if something goes wrong, or doesn't make sense, we can go to that person. That doesn't mean that person should be able to solve all our problems. Again, I go to the coding example: If there is a need to change the code, the editor in chief shouldn't have the responsibility of changing it, but rather be sure that whoever has signed up as Coders get the message that the code needs changing. While the community as a whole can no-doubt finish the magazine, sometimes we need someone in charge to lead us through it, who can push us to finish it. Such a person could probably be useful now to push us to actually write all these articles. Again, that doesn't mean he/she should do it all himself if we're down to a week, but rather delegate the work so that he/she does some work, and still get others to do it. I guess I'm a little split between you two: I feel that FR's vision of an EiC is a little overwhelming for whoever takes the job. Like FM has explained, the Magazine is a ''community'' project; the editors involved will ultimately see parts of the magazine before the publication. That isn't necessarily bad; like FM, I'm pretty excited to see this come together, and I've seen the magazine coming together for the last two months. '''But''', that doesn't mean I don't see the need in an EiC, someone to push us, to get us together and organized, someone that the other editors can go to if they can't figure out their problems themselves, and someone who can call us all together if needed to finish the magazine. 

Again, I'm really excited to finally finish this thing! I join FinalRest in calling everyone else to come over and share their opinions on the magazine.

'''EDIT''': In my opinion, the Journalist Spot could be re-worked a bit to be a little....more organized. I'm still trying to figure out how I would imagine it should be, but all I know is that it needs a little work to serve as the hub for the magazine editors. But, as FM has noted, I don't think it should be a problem for either site to go to the other site to work on the magazine. In the quest for more activity, I'd think the Journalist Spot (and, personally, the magazine and/or podcast) belong on the Keyhole to get activity there (which, from what I can tell, is narrowing in on zero right now). But for the Keyhole editors to come here, or the KHWiki editors to go there, for that to be a problem, I don't think it is.}}

{{FinalRest|time=04:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|normal4='''Coliseum''': Close, FM, but like [http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y390/Snozcumsmees/Untitled-1copy_zps20981d8e.png this]. Is that okay?

'''Editor-in-Chief''': Okay, I feel like my idea of an EiC was a little too overwhelming of a job. :P My general idea was exactly what you explained KSM, and you explained it much better than me. I am a rambler and I constantly get lost in my thoughts and end up running over my over suggestions. XD Anyway, these are the three things I want for the EiC:
#First and foremost, as KSM said, to have someone to wrangle us all together. Someone to make sure work is being done and we'll be ready when release day comes.
#To monitor the emails, which includes checking the to do list submitters and receiving the finished articles (I go into more detail on my idea for this below).
#Sticking everything on the template and bringing it all together!

'''Journal Spot:''' I like the idea of the Journalist Spot as a place to grow ideas. For example, how you are discussing the Keyblade Master page with ENX right now is exactly how I'd like it to be used. He's pitching, getting feedback, asking for help with crafting the ideas into an article etc. Now if ENX goes and starts writing drafts, and asking for opinions, that is also fine with me. What I wouldn't like is if he wrote the whole page up, then asked for opinions and kept repeating that process until there was a 100% finished draft floating around on the journal spot. I would prefer him to ask for help as he likes on the journal spot but when he thinks he is done, he forwards it to the editor who can give the final stamp of approval.

Let's try another example of my ideal use of the email and journal spot areas.
*Let's say I'm doing the Top 5. I'm unsure about ideas.
*I go to the journal spot and say I want to do the Top 5. I pitch a couple ideas and ask what people think would be the best one.
*Thanks to other input, I now have a theme for my top 5: Favorite Villains. I get to writing, and choose Xemnas, Pete, Maleficent and Gantu (pulling those names out of nowhere. :P). I write what I like about Xemnas, easy peasy. He's my number one. I write Maleficent's section but I'm not sure if I should place her higher on the list than Pete, because I like them both equally.
*Return to the journal spot! I ask for opinions on Maleficent VS Pete. The response says Maleficent is more interesting, so I make her my number two and add a line to her entry about some of the community input I got. Pete becomes my number three and the feedback I got helps me write his entry. I ask for opinions on Gantu and the thoughts from the journal spot users helps me write his entry. He is my number four. I'm still stuck for a fifth, so, again, I turn to the other volunteers. I ask for everyone's top villain and from there I am able to choose a fifth. I also add in a summary paragraph to include some of the awesome feedback I got.
*My list is written, I love my choices and my opinions, but I am still unsure weather the writing is strong.
*I send the list to the editor and tell them I was wondering if the sentences worked well together.
*The editor responds, saying everything is great and I can now rest well because the Top 5 list is complete and has been inserted into the template.
*ALTERNATE VERSION: The editor responds and says some of the sentences were a bit hard to understand. They point out which ones, I fix them (either with the help of the editor or the journal spot), resubmit and my section is done!
See, in that scenario they're still helped by the other volunteers, but without revealing all their cards. The volunteers see their ideas forming, but still have a reason to look at the finished list, because it's interesting to see what advice the writer took from the discussions they were a part in. Plus they'll be surprised to Xemnas as number one because that was never discussed, and they thought Maleficent was going to be one. See what I'm going for?

"The host for the Journalist Spot can alternate each quarter to keep things fair." Love that idea, that solves any worries I had. :)

As for layout, what if we made it more of a discussion page? How about the top of the page lists all the pages, with the names of the people who are working on them underneath? Then people can add new topics as they want to ask for help. Eg. If I'm working on Top 5, I start a section called Top 5 where I put all my discussion.

'''Comments''': Nah, it isn't a problem I just thought it would've been cooler to join them somehow. So yes to comments!

'''Edit Count''': Yeah, my thoughts on the edit count was in mind of people like you, KSM. We also have some new users on the Keyhole that are enthusiastic but haven't worked up the courage to make big edits yet, and I wouldn't like to exclude them from contributing. So I have the same feelings; yes to an edit count, but include all types of edits.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=
*'''Coliseum:''' I agree to that format as long as '''a)''' the banner and coming soon sections are kept brief and '''b)''' we use a simple colour scheme (at the moment, there are way too many colours on the page so they all confuse each other; it's best to just stick to a couple of colours and then add neutrals if need be).
*'''EICL:''' Okay, I'll accept this idea now. How will we choose the Editor in Chief then (bearing in mind that they have to be an admin as only admins have access to the email account)?
*'''Journalist Spot:''' If you wanna change the layout, go ahead. When I made the page, it was only an experimental attempt to be honest.
*'''Keyblade Master''': Something new! I'm thinking that we may have to alter the page. Instead of it being a single article, I'm thinking that it may grow into a multitude of different editor's columns. For example, ENX has his mini-series going on over a process of many issues but that'll be just for his column; another editor can use a separate column to write whatever is on his mind. Hopefully, the Keyblade Master will be much richer and more magazine-esque that way. However, there's a few issues that we need to address:
#Firstly, should we include columns?
#How many columns maximum should we include?
#How thick will each column be? Should we make different sized columns and users choose which one suits them (one columm could be 40% width, and two 30% for example <small>-I know that doesn't add up to 100% btw :P-</small>)
#Since we only have two writers that have volunteered so far, perhaps we should just have two parts: a column for ENX's game ideas and an article for MEX's theories.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:36, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok
*'''Coliseum''': I agree with FM that the Arena sections should be brief, but full. They should be a simple banner, but they probably shouldn't take much more than the height of one of the current sections on the page now. 
*'''EiC:''' Um, does it have to be an administrator? That may be a little hard on the whole "Share with the Keyhole"-thing. Maybe we should just determine who it is, and give that person(s) the password. It should be a rather frequent editor on the magazine AND the wiki (not just any random Joe that shows up to work on the magazine).
*'''Journalist Spot''': I'll get on that. I'm thinking of splitting up the sign-up from the discussion areas. I might just discuss that on the talk page when I get more ideas, though.
*'''Keyblade Master''': First, I think the name is now The Keyblade Masters. Second, I reject the entire columns idea. Rather, we should have horizontal (wide) sections, if at all, split them in two columns. Why? It's much easier to add another section to the end of the page on the template than to adjust the widths of the sections if they're columns. Plus, that way, if we get more editors to the page, we don't totally disrupt past issues with additional sections. Example: say we only have two people this issue, and four next. It's easier to simply add another section next issue to the bottom of the page, which leaves only a blank (and thus thin) section on the previous issue, then to add a column to the next issue, because it forces a specific-width column to the previous issue. I hope I made myself clear regarding this, and didn't totally confuse you.
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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 19:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)|default='''EiC:''' That's not a problem with the Keyhole; their admins are included in the email. Really though, who wants to volunteer to be the first EiC? We only had not 12 days left before release!
*'''Keyblade Master''': If your idea is better aesthetically, then sure. Go for it. But like I said before, if it's just because of the worry with the template, don't bother about it. We should prioritise the quality of the current issue. If we need to change the template in the future, we can archive a template so the old issues still work and then make a new template for the next issue.}}

*I'll step up to the position of EiC, since we need to get stuff done. But I would like a Co-EiC from KHWiki if possible. If I were to do the mailbag, I'd need the password to the account if someone knows it. {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:48, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)|happy=Ten days to go...

I have no qualms about CoF being the first EiC (ask Erry for the password). I'm not sure how successful it would be to have a co-EiC as it sounds that having two would make the entire process somewhat longer and harder, since decision making will be somewhat subdued (I can imagine countless "Can we meet on the IRC?"). Maybe we can have a "Deputy in Chief" from our Wiki who only gets involved if the Editor in Chief is going through some difficulties and then requests the deputy's assistance. That way, even the EiC will have a lean-back guy. If no one else signs up for the post, I could be deputy chief for the first issue. Also about the password being given to the EiC, Erry said he could tweak the rules to allow editor in chiefs access.

Here's a few logistical problems I can see the email having:
*Editors will email the contents of their articles to the EiC but I'm not sure how intact the coding will remain (say if the editor adds some images). 
*The Station of Awakening (or the Coliseum/Games/whatever we're calling it) and interview will be impossible to send as an email since it requires the joint effort of two people. It seems the best way to do this is doing the conversation over the IRC (probably in PM) and then one of the two editors writes the conversation up in formal prose and then sends it as an email.
Any [better] solutions to these problems?}}

{{FinalRest|time=11:13, 21 June 2014 (UTC)|normal5='''Coliseum:''' How does it look now? We're finally able to incorporate Erry's banner! :) Do the font colors look okay? Regarding the colors, I removed the blue, is that better? Or do you want to simplify it more?

'''Rounds Room:''' I fixed the audio/video coding. Are the colors for the audio box alright? Also, anybody wanna figure out how to center the vertical alignment of the audio file, but not the audio title? Finally, the text is passable, but do you think it would be better if I made titles for the Audio and Video titles?

'''EiC:''' I'm in support of Chain, and I think you'll be a good co-EiC (or deputy if that's the title you wanna take. :D) FM! Should we be sending our articles to the email now, then?

'''Keyblade Master:''' The Keyblade Master page is like an article that you find in real life magazines, so why would we split it to include multiple topics? I would much prefer it to be all on one topic, free to be split under different headings as the current editor wishes. If we have more than one editor with an idea, can't we queue them up? Post one in the current issue, save the other person for the next issue?

But, because ENX's ideas are taking on a life of their own, I think we might have another opportunity coming to us regarding the KM page. What if we keep the KM page as a place for guest articles about the KH world (stuff like Riku 101 or costume break downs etc) and then we make a new page for fan theories, which ENX can use for as long as it takes to write up all his theories? The pros of doing this is that we have more content to feature and if someone else has a wicked idea for the KM page, it won't require putting ENX on hold for another issue. The cons are that it'll require getting one more contributor for each issue (whereas not adding a new page means that the KM has a definite editor in ENX for the next few issues) and our page numbers will be up to 14 and ruin our org 13 number... although we could just make this new page our Xion. :P Thoughts?

'''Email:''' The editor should be able to spruce up the pages without ruining the coding. If they add in something that ruins how things look... well, that's bad editor-ing. What you suggested about the SoA and interview are how I'd always expected it to happen. :)

'''Other:''' Is there an updated list of what still needs to be done? I'm not sure what in the test is finished work and I plan on leaving time next week to write whatever I am capable of doing.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:17, 21 June 2014 (UTC)|confused=I'm liking the Coliseum! The only thing I would change is the name (Station of Awakening -> The Games) although I'm aware that the name change would require a new title image so I'm okay if it's too much trouble. With the Round Room, I wouldn't say it's a must to have title images. By the way, "The Light Cycle" for the Grid doesn't have a title image yet. Also, amazing job with the title images, FR :P

If CoF has the email password, then we can start sending our work!

I was thinking that the Keyblade Master would be like real-life in the way that magazines' have one page contained with several columns, each written by a different person. [http://www.bubblews.com/assets/images/news/1965993190_1379035061.gif Here's] a random <googled> example; I know it's a newspaper but magazines also do it like that too. If ENX does his mini-series, can't we just break off a piece of the Keyblade Master to dedicate to him? Then, we'll have two parts: The main article written by whoever wants to share their thoughts (the original Keyblade Master plan) and ENX's space for his mini-series that readers can check back each issue.

I'll write a new list of "Things to Do" soon.}}

{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:56, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|normal=I don't have the password yet, but feel free to start sending your stuff. Be sure to put something in the subject box indicating it's for the magazine/me. I don't want to go through the b-crat's stuff.

Is the official date going to be July 1st? It seems like a pretty solid date to me, and if we don't already have the official date, Then July 1st is the due date. I would like to have everything handed in by THIS THURSDAY AT THE LATEST. That way, it gives me plenty of time to set it up and go through everything. If I do not have something I need, I will hound you down, tar and feather you, and take the all stairs from your house. So, please send that stuff to me as soon as possible! :D

Also, the "winners" section of Flick Rush needs a title image.}}

{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 13:22, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|angry=Okay, CoF. I'll be sure to send my stuff. Time for a left to do list (content-wise)!:
*Ansem Reports (an updated one)
*Station of Awakening debate (I proposed a "Riku's Dark Form" vs "Sora's Final Form" earlier; if I'm on the side of Dark Form, I need someone to argue for Final Form).
*Wiki tutorial (I have written one but it's just not very good)
*</s>Podcast<s>
*Interview
*Fanart
*More riddles (I'll email a few)
*<s>Poll idea</s>
*Revised tasks.}}

{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=13:27, 22 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=

*'''Coliseum''': I like the Coliseum layout as well. I realize that I accidentally said I wanted a simple banner, which wasn't the case. Perhaps a change in the font colors for the Mirage Arena, so they don't seem like red links that don't exist. Regarding the name, I say just leave it at this point, and change it for the next issue, since we're down to 8 days (and now with Chain's ultimatum, we're down to four). Like FM has expressed, the template will inevitably be changed as we find bugs and make more desirable changes. Even now, it isn't set to stone. I'd recommend a different title for the sections, the Games seems to simple. Perhaps name it after one of the cups, I hear Survival Cup is pretty popular on the Recent Changes as of late.
*'''Keyblade Master''': I've reformatted the Keyblade Master page to allow for multiple sections. Again, we can make two columns by splitting the page in half, but that'd be all I recommend, because coding multiple columns will be hard issue after issue. Even though the template will inevitably change, the point is that we don't have to change it much, especially issue after issue. Plus, it is easier to code in row-sections (if that's what we want to call them) that can be hidden if there is no content, and nothing appears to change to the page, then if we code vertical-columns, which if we hide, will still leave a random empty space in the area where they will appear. I still prefer the multiple sections to the Keyblade Master, and the variety of its constant changing.
*'''Title Images''': I'm on the Light Cycle image, I've started it Friday, so hopefully it will be done tonight. I could try the winners image, but I'd prefer if someone else did that.
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