Editing Forum:Was the move a bad idea?

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{{AlVan|time14:59, 6 May 2011 (EDT)|text=I've been looking at the old site and...it looks more cleaned up than this one. It also has more users. So now, I must ask; Would we have been better off if there never was a move?}}
Check Recent Changes. We've got more mainspace edits, which is really all that matters. --{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 16:27, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

We don't have to use Oasis anymore, and readers don't have to see Oasis when they read. Yeah, as Crono hinted on, we've got the harder workers at this wiki, while the rest stayed at wikia. We no longer have wikia staff breathing down our necks either, which is definitely a plus. I have no idea where you got "more cleaned up" from. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 16:43, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

I meant some of our pages are kinda blank and they have more that are finished. My best example Is battle missions. P.S. If something I put down on the forum it's because I'm on my iPod instead of computer.

Wikia's editors are also very disorganized, look at their recent forums. Many of their edits are to the user talk space, and plus, [[User:UnknownChaser/UnversedBattle|our version]] of Battle Missions will be superior to theirs. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 18:21, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

I just need to say this; Hell no. {{User:Erry/Sig4}} 19:09, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

{{LapisScarab|time=19:32, 6 May 2011 (EDT)|text=The Mission articles didn't magically become blank because we moved. If they're incomplete, that means we hadn't finished them while we were a part of Wikia. A Wiki is virtually never "finished"; there's always going to be edits and changes and improvements to pages, whether we're on Wikia or not. And of course there's a different number of editors; we're seperate Wikis now. We don't have the same number of editors as the Zelda or Bleach Wikis either, but the number of editors doesn't matter, since the quality of the edits are good.

Basically, the flaws you've attributed to the move are actually just typical things to find on a Wiki. They have nothing to do with our split from Wikia.}}

I response to your points:

*A page with less content is definitly not a bad thing.  Most of the "new content" on the Wikia wiki is speculation, which is ''bad''.
*True, Wikia is hauling in a large majority of the new users, but that doesn't matter.  If you check [[Special:ContributionScores|this]], at the very bottom, you will notice that we have at least '''50''' users that have made a total of 600 edits have editted here since the site was set up.
*No.  In no possible way was it a bad idea.  The problem with Wikia wasn't really about Oasis.  While that was a big part of it, it was more about the fact that Wikia wouldn't listen to its users, the ones who made its bloody content.  They constantly forced inappropriatly crappy updates on us, and we had enough.

{{The Inexistentsig}} 21:33, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
{{LA|Vtext=Christ, bro. It's a little late to be starting a move complaint forum.}}

{{17m|text= Let's see...less vandals, less troublemakers, less problematic edits, no more host that doesn't listen to our <s>RAGE</s> complaints *coughwikiacough*, new (TOTALLY AWESOME) skins, and more awesome and neat articles. 

The only problem I see with the move is Chitalian and Ninja kinda lost their main job because of it, but that shouldn't be a huge problem for both of them, right? So I say the move was a wonderful thing to do. Besides, whenever I <s> stalk </s> visit the old wikia I see a bunch of problematic edits that I want to revert badly.}}
{{KrytenKoro|emotion=murder|AlVan, I have a good comparison of our wiki to theirs:

[[Aero]].

Wait, no.

Sorry, that's not a good example. Even though our version has more content, it's still incomplete.

I wonder why that is.}}

{{Uxie|time=05:36, 7 May 2011 (EDT)|luna=17m and The Inexistent are right. We're better than ever, the wiki is now free, and we won't have to worry about being ignored or being forced to use something that everyone hates. The Wikia staff are simply a bunch of selfish, snooty and money-hungry crooks. They won't delete inactive wikis, they ignore all complaints, plus they even try to buy other wikis.<!--I'm lucky that the ShoutWiki staff actually listion to complaints...-->}}

{{Asif|potados=@Kryten: OUCH! Sure it is true (and maybe a little funny too), but let's try to stay on topic here.

Although we did sever our community in two, I'd say it was a good decision. We no longer have Wikia's staff breathing over our shoulder (okay, that sounds creepy, but you get the idea). Now that the old wiki has become more lax on the rules, all the editors who only talked on peoples talkpages and created forums (which is BAD) have left and this one has become more focused on creating a quality encyclopedia. Not to mention the lack of trolls and incompetent users.

Yeah, moving was basically the equivalent of putting the Mainspace in one wiki and the forums in another. I say it was a good idea.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=11:55, 7 May 2011 (EDT)|text=Dial it down, Uxie. Yes, Wikia was being dickish toward the end and that's a major reason we left, but "snooty" and "money-hungry crook"? Hyperbole just makes arguments look childish. The Wikia staff are not the hellspawn people seem to think they are, they were just being stubborn and condescending. They have no obligation to delete a Wiki just because we left it. It doesn't matter anymore anyway, since we've already moved. Game over.}}

Actually, I think she was refering to wikis that were created ''years'' ago, have about two articles, and no editors.  That, on the other hand, is extremely immoral, as those wikis have next to no viewers, and yet Wikia keeps them alive for the sake of the ads displayed there.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 11:59, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
:That's what I meant. But I did hear that they deleated some wikis that were bullying users or because they were wikis created by people to get revenge on admins who banned them. But other than that, they will refuse to delete an inactive wiki. [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[http://en.spyro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:UxieLover1994 <font color="red">1994</font>] 12:36, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
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 Wikia's editors are also very disorganized, look at their recent forums. Many of their edits are to the user talk space, and plus, [[User:UnknownChaser/UnversedBattle|our version]] of Battle Missions will be superior to theirs. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 18:21, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
-I just need to say this; Hell no. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 19:09, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
+I just need to say this; Hell no. {{User:Erry/Sig4}} 19:09, 6 May 2011 (EDT)
 {{LapisScarab|time=19:32, 6 May 2011 (EDT)|text=The Mission articles didn't magically become blank because we moved. If they're incomplete, that means we hadn't finished them while we were a part of Wikia. A Wiki is virtually never "finished"; there's always going to be edits and changes and improvements to pages, whether we're on Wikia or not. And of course there's a different number of editors; we're seperate Wikis now. We don't have the same number of editors as the Zelda or Bleach Wikis either, but the number of editors doesn't matter, since the quality of the edits are good.
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 *A page with less content is definitly not a bad thing.  Most of the "new content" on the Wikia wiki is speculation, which is ''bad''.
-*True, Wikia is hauling in a large majority of the new users, but that doesn't matter.  If you check [[Special:ContributionScores|this]], at the very bottom, you will noticeM that we have at least '''50''' users that have made a total of 600 edits have editted here since the site was set up.
+*True, Wikia is hauling in a large majority of the new users, but that doesn't matter.  If you check [[Special:ContributionScores|this]], at the very bottom, you will notice that we have at least '''50''' users that have made a total of 600 edits have editted here since the site was set up.
 *No.  In no possible way was it a bad idea.  The problem with Wikia wasn't really about Oasis.  While that was a big part of it, it was more about the fact that Wikia wouldn't listen to its users, the ones who made its bloody content.  They constantly forced inappropriatly crappy updates on us, and we had enough.
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 Actually, I think she was refering to wikis that were created ''years'' ago, have about two articles, and no editors.  That, on the other hand, is extremely immoral, as those wikis have next to no viewers, and yet Wikia keeps them alive for the sake of the ads displayed there.  {{The Inexistentsig}} 11:59, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
 :That's what I meant. But I did hear that they deleated some wikis that were bullying users or because they were wikis created by people to get revenge on admins who banned them. But other than that, they will refuse to delete an inactive wiki. [[User:UxieLover1994|<font color="gold">Uxie</font>]]<small>[[User talk:UxieLover1994|<font color="gray">Lover</font>]]</small>[http://en.spyro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/User:UxieLover1994 <font color="red">1994</font>] 12:36, 7 May 2011 (EDT)
-{{DTN|time=14:32, 7 May 2011 (EDT)|text=Nothing I can say on this point wouldn't be an echo of something that was already said. To be brief, the move was absolutely '''''not''''' a bad idea; we are free of Wikia now (see above for further justification) and so forth.
-Also, KrytenKoro. Stop being so hilariously terrible, I'm going to pop a lung here.}}
-There's no vandals because you've basically lost all your affiliates (except a few deserted subwikias and two youtube channels). The FF Wikia also refuses to become an affiliate, which is a major failure for the success of this site, unfortunately. [[Special:Contributions/213.0.89.54|213.0.89.54]] 10:25, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
-{{AlVan|time12:48, 8 May 2011 (EDT)|text=I wasn't complaining. The final fantasy wiki can't move, it's fine the way it is. But most importantly, Kryten, you're not funny at all.}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=13:19, 8 May 2011 (EDT)|text=@anon: Yes, because websites are completely defined in their success by whether or not the Final Fantasy Wiki affiliates with them. And as it turns out, what you just said was complete bullcrap anyway, since all of them ''do'' link to us.
-@AlVan: That's not for you to decide, that's for the Final Fantasy Wiki and ''all'' of its users to decide. And you know what else isn't funny? You not doing your share of work on Aero.}}
-{{Asif|shoangry=To the random anon: We lost two of our affiliates, which is not "basically all" of them. And just because the FF Wikia doesn't want to affiliate with us doesn't mean we'll automatically sink. Even if we aren't affiliated with ''one website'', we'll do fine.
-To AlVan: Regardless of what you thought of the humor, Kryten did bring up a good point: you did not do your fair share of work on the Aero page. You couldn't even add the icons; you tried once, your edit was reverted since you did it incorrectly, and then you all but vanished. The way I see it, you were more of an impediment to the completion of the article than anything else.}}
-{{Chitalian8|time=20:10, 8 May 2011 (EDT)|talk= Also, AlVan, [[Battle Mission|boom]], our Battle Missions page is now much longer and better than theirs.}}
-{{Uxie|time=02:36, 9 May 2011 (EDT)|zoe=And I've lost nearly two months of editing at my wiki, AlVan. But I've not regreted my move, despite only a few editors there. Also, we've got less affiliates, but we've still got ourselves a good future ahead. I'm rooting for this wiki, y'know!}}
-{{17m|angry= To anon again, the old Wikia site is basically much more known because of all the ads wikia put in there. Also, we've been working really hard (correction, excludes me since I haven't been active much lately) these past few months and we're rising quickly through the google rankings. Soon enough we'll be on top and more users will come here. Besides, I don't think our affiliation with FFWiki really affects how many users visit this wiki.
-And to AIVan, stop complaining and do your share of work already, Kryten already did most of the parts and left you with the easy tasks, yet you disrespect him by not doing your share of work. So please, by all means, do it.}}
-{{Asif|lemons=Also, anon, it looks like [[FinalFantasy:Forum:KH Wiki Affiliations|the Final Fantasy Wiki might be reconsidering that decision]].}}
-{{AlVan|time15:46, 9 May 2011 (EDT)|text=FOR THE LAST TIME, I'M NOT COMPLAINING! I created this page out of curiosity not anger! Also, I don't care that much about the battle missions page I was just giving an example. About the users of the FF wiki deciding about a move, they have. There's an extremely long forum about it. I didn't read all of it (because it has so many comments) but almost every one of them turned down the idea. So you guys just leave me alone a bit because you guys thinking I'm angry all the time offends me a lot more than Kryten calling me an imbecile. In fact, that didn't offend me at all, he's the first person outside of movie where an old man gets mad who says the word imbecile, anyway we're getting off-topic. My question has been answered and as far as I'm concerned, this discussion is closed}}
-{{Asif|shoevil=AlVan, nobody thinks you're "angry all the time". I don't know where you hot that from. Everyone is, however, angry at you, and they're justified.
-There's a saying that goes, "On this planet, no one is a passenger. We are all workers." This saying applies here too. Everyone is expected to do their fair share of work, especially if they are given responsibility for an assignment. You and Kryten were given the assignment to fix the Aero logo. Forcing him to do all the work was '''EXTREMELY''' irresponsible of you, and irresponsibility is looked down upon here. It is incredibly offensive to Kryten- no, to this wiki as a whole that you would force someone to do all the work himself.
-Imagine you were Kryten. If you were allotted an assignment to be done with another user and your partner made you do all the work, how would that make you feel? It would make you feel pretty terrible, right? That's why everyone is so hostile: because you made then feel pretty terrible.
-And don't ask why Kryten couldn't have just finished the job without you instead of getting mad, lest you do something incredibly ironic.}}
-{{Chitalian8|time=17:07, 9 May 2011 (EDT)|space= Okay, ''enough''. Please take this somewhere else, this is the wrong place for this kind of argument.}}
-{{LapisScarab|time=22:56, 9 May 2011 (EDT)|text=<!--Yes, Kryten shouldn't have called you an imbecile (which is a completely normal word, by the way, not something only old people use). He was wrong in that regard. But that is the entire point of the Heartless Manufactury: you both insulted each other, you both got warnings, and you are both expected to work to redeem yourselves. The whole purpose is to acknowledge that you were each wrong to insult each other and to turn it into productive cooperation.
-Also - and this is not a personal thing about you, AlVan, you've just brought up something that irritates me to no end in general - if you '''didn't read''' the forum on the FF Wiki, you have ''no right whatsoever'' to speak as if you have. This is something that came up during our move a lot; people didn't read the forum because it was "too long" (boo-hoo), didn't understand details about our decision, and griped and asked questions that had been directly answered half a dozen times in the forum they were too lazy to read. It ended up delaying the whole process.-->I digress, Chitalian's right. AlVan's question for the forum has been answered, there's no reason to continue this conversation.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|Wow. I was just being bitchy, guys, there was no need to jump on AlVan like that. I'm not actually mad at him or anything.
-AlVan: [[Avatar Menu]] is the shining example of why the move was a good idea. An article that depended on tables that much would not have worked using Oasis, and by pulling together, we created an article that the wikia, quite simply, will never be able to even approach in terms of quality.}}
-{{Asif|shosad=Wow. I really got out of hand, didn't I? *laughs awkwardly*
-Man, that's one of the things I hate about the Internet; you can never tell when someone is genuinely angry and
-When they're just making a joke. I completely misinterpreted everything. Oops.
-And yeah... I'd say it would be best to end this conversation now before things start to get out of hand again. }}
-{{Maggosh|flint=:''as Crono hinted on, we've got the harder workers at this wiki, while the rest stayed at wikia.''
-Yes, I get it, you all think I'm lazy. Don't rub it in.}}
-{{KrytenKoro|emotion=happy|EDIT: No, that would be creepy. Don't say that kind of thing to maggosh, KK.}}
-{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=21:14, 7 July 2011 (EDT)|dickens=Wikia has more people cause only we and a couple users in Wikia knew of the move. New users over at Wikia are completely oblivious to the move.}}