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{{HOO|time=15:48, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=Shouldn't we have a template on the pages for places like Christmas Town, Yen Sid's Tower and other large places where they don't classify as a world but are big enough to have there own page? Right now there are some pages that have the World template but are not even on the template which makes no sense. I made this template just as an example of what it could be and I added Realms and some other things. If we decide to use it, we could change it if necessary. }}

{| class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%" style="text-align:center; clear:both; background:#F5FFFA; border: 2px solid #8FBC8F; -moz-border-radius: 10px;"
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! align="center" style="background:#008B8B; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<div style="margin-left:75px;"><span style="color:#FFF">Places</span></div>
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! align="center" style="background:#20B2AA; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<span style="color:#000">Places introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts (game)|Kingdom Hearts]]''</span>
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;"> | [[Awakening]] | [[World Terminus]]
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! align="center" style="background:#20B2AA; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<span style="color:#000">Places introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]''</span>
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;"> | [[Simulated Twilight Town]] | [[Yen Sid's Tower]] | [[Underworld]] | [[Christmas Town]]<br>[[Cavern of Remembrance]] | [[Room of Sleep]]
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! align="center" style="background:#20B2AA; -moz-border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<span style="color:#000">Other</span>
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;"> | [[Swordman Island]] | [[Maleficent's Fortress]]
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==Discussion==
{{EO|time=21:38, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=I think it's fine. We just may have to change color, so we don't get the templates confused.}}
{{HOO|time=21:43, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=I did change the colors. The world template is more green while this is blue.}}
{{EO|time=21:46, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Hmmm...don't remember. Ok. Still think the colors are a tad close, but that's just my opinion.}}
{{DTN|time=21:55, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=Great idea, HoO. I think the colors are perfect, since they are in the same family as the World template's color, but are still different. It's got that whole similar-different balance going on! :P Also, if it's really that big a deal, than I'm sure that someone can just read the word "'''Places'''" on the template.}}
{{EO|time=21:57, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Makes sense. Never thought of it that way. I'd say HoO (owl? again?) should go straight to the page and create it. Then perhaps the three (or two/one of us) could go through the vigorous process of adding the template to said pages.}}
{{HOO|time=21:59, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=Am I missing anything before implementing it? I also pinged Kryten just to get a final take on it and he is the most active Admin right now.}}
{{EO|time=22:00, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Great idea with Kryten.I wouldn't say so...DTN?}}
{{DTN|time=22:07, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=<s>Once</s> If KrytenKoro approves, then I'll implement the template on the linked pages.}}
{{EO|time=22:10, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|talktext=Sounds good. Any other things in need of creation/fixing I could work on?}}
{{KrytenKoro|I wouldn't place the Realms on it, as it is even more important than the worlds themselves, and deserves either its own template, or just to be within a category.

*Isn't the Door to Darkness that Heartless shaped thing in Hollow Bastion? Even if not, the Doors are pretty much just facets of their realm, and should be combined with the world pages.
*Portals of Darkness are just rooms within the World of Chaos, and probably don't need their own page.
*Villain's Vale is also pretty small (the actual meat of it), and could fit better on the The Radiant Garden page.
*Room of Awakening should be merged with Room of Sleep, since it is only ever mentioned as an addendum to that, and should have the spec about Riku removed.
*Ansem's study should also be merged with Hollow Bastion.
*Dark Meridian can be merged with Realm of Darkness.
*The "Final Keyhole" (are we sure this isn't the Door to Darkness?) is a concept article, not a place article, really. Same with "Plane" and "World". All of these, and the Realms, work better as "Universe of KH" or "Mythology" articles.

Are we including Bald Mountain because it was mentioned in a painting? I'm 90% sure that the Chernabog arena was just called "Volcano" or "Evil Grounds" or something.


In the end, I would include Awakening, World Terminus, Simulated Twilight Town, Yen Sid's Tower, Underworld, Christmas Town, Cavern of Remembrance, Swordsman's Island, and Maleficent's Fortress. And all of those but World Terminus and Cavern of Remembrance are sub-worlds already.

Let me check back later to check the DtD bit.}}

{{GS|time=23:57, September 23, 2009 (UTC)|text=I'm 99% positive that it <i>is</i> called Bald Mountain in the game.

I also still think that V Cast information should stay on the V Cast page, as the game is unofficial.}}
{{HOO|time=00:14, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=So:

*<s>Add Portals of Darkness to World of Chaos</s>
*<s>Add Villain's Vale to Radiant Garden</s>
*<s>Add Room of Awakening to Room of Sleep</s>
*<s>Add Ansem's study (possibly Ansem's computer too?) to Hollow Bastion</s>
*<s>Add Dark Meridian to Realm of Darkness</s> and Door to Darkness
*<s>Add Door to Light with Realm of Light</s>
*<s>Add Evil Grounds to End of the World</s>
*<s>Made Final Keyhole not a place</s>
*<s>Create a Universe (or something else) page with all Realms, Plane, and World info.</s> Also added Star

Some thoughts:
*Door to Darkness is a bit confusing. It could be added to the Kingdom Hearts page because it is sometimes viewed as the door to Kingdom Hearts. Or it could be added to the Realm of Darkness page because as it says on the article, the door is to the Realm of Darkness in which Kingdom Hearts resides.
*Another thing is that [[Kingdom Hearts (world)]] is not on the World template. Should it be added to that template or to this one?

V Cast may be unofficial but it's still in the Kingdom Hearts main series template. I think those worlds could just be on this template since they're not official worlds but they don't belong anywhere else.}}
{{KrytenKoro|To HOO: Yes on that beginning list.

Kingdom Hearts is definitely a super-world, so it should be on the world template. Awakening is iffy, as it is an inner world, but not part of any other world - it's a heart thing like the End of World and Kingdom Hearts ones.

Final Keyhole should definitely be a mythos page, not a place.

Bald Mountain ''is'' '''mentioned''' in KH1, but the arena is called Evil Grounds - while it's clear that it's based on Bald Mountain, it is most likely a World Terminus type situation. I say we merge it to End of the World.

Even though VCast isn't part of the series canon, it is officially licensed, like the manga. I think it would be fair to include it on "places", where it is not confused with the canon "worlds".

This template might also be a good place to link the non-worlded summons too - so, have a line about "Summons" that lists Dumbo, Bambi, Stitch, and Chicken Little, and then cover something about those little places in the summon's article.}}
{{HOO|time=02:52, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=Ok, you or GS will have to add the Kingdom Hearts world to the Worlds template because it has protected so no one but Admins can change it. 

Should Final Keyhole be merged with Hollow Bastion then?

Should Evil Grounds be merged with End of the World or World Terminus? Is it part of the World Terminus?

I will get started on editing the template above.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Final Keyhole should be kept, but not as a Place. It's an Object or Concept.

Evil Grounds is the room right after the World Terminus. It should be merged with End of the World.}}
{{HOO|time=04:17, September 24, 2009 (UTC)|text=OK, I did most of the list and made redirects for all of them except Villain's Vale and Portal of Darkness. I didn't make a redirect on Portal of Darkness because that could just be deleted and I left all the info on Villain's Vale just in case you wanted to add something else to Radiant Garden.

What should I do for Door to Darkness? Add it to Kingdom Hearts (world) or the Universe page?

I will do more tomorrow.}}
{{LevL|text=Shouldn't the Castle that Never Was be on the Places Template?}}