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:For the wording, we use "a Keychain for <nowiki>[[Kingdom Key|Sora's Keyblade]]</nowiki>" for all the others, so I'd feel most comfortable modifying that for this purpose. I think we all agree on "form" instead of Keychain, but we need to find something to replace "Sora's Keyblade" (I don't think we need to say "wielded by Riku", if we just use the possessive).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC) | :For the wording, we use "a Keychain for <nowiki>[[Kingdom Key|Sora's Keyblade]]</nowiki>" for all the others, so I'd feel most comfortable modifying that for this purpose. I think we all agree on "form" instead of Keychain, but we need to find something to replace "Sora's Keyblade" (I don't think we need to say "wielded by Riku", if we just use the possessive).{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:43, January 31, 2011 (UTC) | ||
::Frankly, I'd like to replace "Keychain" with "form" for all of its instances... | ::Frankly, I'd like to replace "Keychain" with "form" for ''all'' of its instances... | ||
::But for replacing "Sora's Keyblade", I think "Riku's main Keyblade" should be good enough. (Though it occurs to me that even though Aqua uses the Master Keeper, we aren't calling it a keychain or form of her Keyblade, so even though Leon calls the KoH "Riku's Keyblade", I don't think we should consider it as such, so "main" isn't needed. </run-on sentence>) --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:44, February 1, 2011 (UTC) | ::But for replacing "Sora's Keyblade", I think "Riku's main Keyblade" should be good enough. (Though it occurs to me that even though Aqua uses the Master Keeper, we aren't calling it a keychain or form of ''her'' Keyblade, so even though Leon calls the KoH "Riku's Keyblade", I don't think we should consider it as such, so "main" isn't needed. </run-on sentence>) --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:44, February 1, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:For Master Keeper, I worded it that way because it is treated as the game as if it still is Eraqus's Keyblade, and she is just carrying it. | |||
:I would agree that Leon is wrong. ''However'', if we say "Riku's Keyblade", it seems inaccurate to say that that refers to something other than the Keyblade of heart (in this case, the WttD), when that phrase is specifically used within the game to refer to the Koh.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:35, February 1, 2011 (UTC) | |||
So anything happening with this? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Doreiku]][[User talk:Drake Clawfang|Kuroofangu]] 08:42, February 3, 2011 (UTC) | |||
== New solution == | |||
Which should solve everything, really. | |||
"Keyblades are said to be man-made counterparts to Kingdom Hearts." | |||
Through Nomura, we know that the Soul Eater is considered the intermediary through which Riku obtained his Keyblade. It seems pretty straightforward, then, that the reason the Soul Eater has some Keyblade-only properties, but is clearly not a "true Keyblade", is that it is simply an unfinished Way to the Dawn, much like Riku's Keyblade of People's Hearts.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:47, 20 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:I'd say it's a different kind of incomplete, probably because they're two different types of Keyblades. (I say this even though we have no evidence that the Soul Eater can't lock/unlock things...) --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 02:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Oh soitenly, it's a different type. But the basic idea of "Why is Riku's Keyblade-like thing not have the trademark features of a Keyblade" would be "its incomplete" -- something we really should have guessed from the similar situation of the KoPH.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 03:00, 20 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::Biggest difference being that the KoPH is missing the keychain, while Soul Eater is missing, well, everything that defines a keyblade (visually at least). Ok, that sounds good. The question is though where does leave Soul Eater's official label? Keyblade? Half-Keyblade? Incomplete Keyblade? Not-a-Keyblade (due to not being complete)?--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 03:59, 20 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::DTN asked me to create this as a forum thread to receive wider comment, and you can see my suggestion [[Forum:Soul Eater: To be, or not to be a Keyblade because holy hell this plot is confusing|here]].{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Forms == | |||
Shouldn't we add the Soul Eater Forms ([[:File:Dual Soul Eater.png|DBSE]] and [[:File:Soul Eater HT KHRECOM.png|HTSE]]) to the article? Since an adaptation to the template would look weird since we don't have a KH template and the Re:CoM template we have has a card for the image the best option I can think is a forms gallery like we have in characters.--{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}04:58, 14 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I don't see why not, the article mentions booth forms so they should be shown here. The problem with the KH template is that we don't have any item stats or description for the Soul Eater. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 13:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Okay I have added a forms gallery to the page, and about the KH Template I know we don't have stats or description it's neither one of Sora's Keyblade nor a party member weapon so unless it's stats were mentioned in the Ultimania, what I find unlikely, there is no way for us to make one which is what I was trying to say when I mentioned it would be weird to adapt the template for a form image.--{{User:Xabryn/Sig}}13:52, 15 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
==Soul Eater is a sword, not a Keyblade== | |||
https://www.khinsider.com/news/A-Look-Back-KINGDOM-HEARTS-Ultimania-Gallery-Comments-Part-1-15519 | |||
Here the proof "This isn't a Keyblade, but it is a sword that Riku uses in the first half [of the game]. I wanted to make a sword without a blade, and this is what came out after a lot of sketches. Like on the box art, I thought it was nice how it looks like a wing when he carries it on his back. Well, not that he carries it on his back in the game." Nomura literally say it is not a Keyblade, but a sword. To be honest is really dumb that this weapon was considered a Keyblade here, the whole point of Riku was that he wanted a Keyblade, but if the Soul Eater was already a Keyblade, all this would make absolutly no sense. Why want a Keyblade if you already have it?--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 10:53, 2 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
:That's from the KH1 Ultimania. In the KH2 Ultimania, cited on the page, he says it's a Keyblade. He probably designed it as sword first, but changed the idea when Riku got his Way to the Dawn. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Ok, just ignore the fact that the WHOLE point of KH1 was Riku that wanted a Keyblade when he had the Soul Eater (so the whole point will be dumb), ignore the fact that in 358 the Soul Eater is literally classified as a sword even if there is the "Keyblade" category, and ignore it's design. I tried--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 14:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::The Soul Eater article doesn’t even claim it to be a Keyblade, so I don’t get what you’re making a fuss about. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 16:06, 2 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::In the end of the page there is the KEYBLADE template, and in Riku's weapons template the Soul Eater is in the "Keyblade" section instead of "other" section. So, yhea, is stated, even if there is A LOT of sources that say the Soul Eater is not a Keyblade--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 19:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Soul Eater being a sword and not a keyblade == | |||
Why do we list Soul eater as a keyblade for characters like Riku, Riku Replica and Data Riku? Especially for Dark and Data-Riku, since that is the only weapon they wield? I'm just confused. | |||
:Read above. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 22:20, 19 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Keyblade status (2024 edition) == | |||
I'm just putting notes from Discord here with the rest of the discussions for future reference, since this gets brought up a lot. In short, modern sources do not classify the Soul Eater as a true Keyblade. TSH confirmed this in the Memorial Ultimania and Character Files: ''It's called a sword, it doesn't appear on the pages showing all Keyblades, and Dark Riku does not have a "Keyblade used" box that other users do''. So, even though it is the developing form of Way to the Dawn, it does not qualify as a Keyblade for the purpose of navboxes, the [[list of Keyblade wielders]], and other logistical stuff. —<span style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:110%>[[User:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">Aid</span>]][[User talk:Aid1043|<span style="color:#9932CC">1043</span>]]</span> 01:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC) | |||