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{{Forumheader|The World that Never was | {{Forumheader|The Realm of Sleep|The World that Never was}} | ||
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{{Maggosh|YMX=I'd rather we skip the formalities. Well, after I made an edit to the Bleach wiki for the first time in months, I was directed to [[ | {{Maggosh|YMX=I'd rather we skip the formalities. Well, after I made an edit to the Bleach wiki for the first time in months, I was directed to [[wikia:bleach:User blog:Yyp/New Wikia Skin:What we can expect?|this blog]]. Apparently Wikia's going to have an overhaul concerning changes, aesthetically and software-side, by the end of the year; one of which includes putting the name of the user who uploaded a picture in its caption. Which, in my opinion, is a bad idea. There's more [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Susan_Taylor/Experience_the_new_Wikia here], [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia here], and [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Transition_guide here]. Just thought I should post this here so we could discuss what goes on. ''Merci beaucoup''.}} | ||
==Discussion== | ==Discussion== | ||
{{Uxie|time=04:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I got that when I first edited other wikis. I am sick of it, y'know!}} | {{Uxie|time=04:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I got that when I first edited other wikis. I am sick of it, y'know!}} | ||
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** I have mentioned that on the chance that the Narutopedia does move I'd be willing to host any other related wiki along with it. But that's dependent on a few things that could cut that short (if the wiki actually decides to move, and more importantly, what my boss even thinks of the idea of hosting wiki when we have a big project -- which I was hired to create -- going into private beta, which is the more problematic thing). But I'm not sure about Kingdom Hearts as it's not so much a related wiki, I was focused around Animanga wiki as a network of them, so even if the wiki does come along, it would probably be dragged along with ideas focused around on the animanga category wiki and primarily the Narutopedia. For most things that might not mean much, besides having less priority on custom features, except for the skin. Part of self-hosting involves experimenting with various ad formats and trying to figure out the best way to get back the money needed to pay for the servers and profit the company hosting the wiki (otherwise the company looses money anyways, since it has to pay the employees spending company time working on the wiki). Trying to do this on different skins at the same time makes for a lot more work, so any other wiki would probably be stuck with the skin and experiments in advertisement placement that the Narutopedia decides on, which I'm expecting to probably be Monaco in an experiment [http://c.imagehost.org/0575/Naruto_Uzumaki_Narutopedia_the_Naruto_Encyclopedia_Wiki_1286057666431.png like this] with a 300px ad above the infobox, or a banner ad above the header (so far those seam to be the most popular ideas in the feedback). | ** I have mentioned that on the chance that the Narutopedia does move I'd be willing to host any other related wiki along with it. But that's dependent on a few things that could cut that short (if the wiki actually decides to move, and more importantly, what my boss even thinks of the idea of hosting wiki when we have a big project -- which I was hired to create -- going into private beta, which is the more problematic thing). But I'm not sure about Kingdom Hearts as it's not so much a related wiki, I was focused around Animanga wiki as a network of them, so even if the wiki does come along, it would probably be dragged along with ideas focused around on the animanga category wiki and primarily the Narutopedia. For most things that might not mean much, besides having less priority on custom features, except for the skin. Part of self-hosting involves experimenting with various ad formats and trying to figure out the best way to get back the money needed to pay for the servers and profit the company hosting the wiki (otherwise the company looses money anyways, since it has to pay the employees spending company time working on the wiki). Trying to do this on different skins at the same time makes for a lot more work, so any other wiki would probably be stuck with the skin and experiments in advertisement placement that the Narutopedia decides on, which I'm expecting to probably be Monaco in an experiment [http://c.imagehost.org/0575/Naruto_Uzumaki_Narutopedia_the_Naruto_Encyclopedia_Wiki_1286057666431.png like this] with a 300px ad above the infobox, or a banner ad above the header (so far those seam to be the most popular ideas in the feedback). | ||
* Side note, Watchlist seams to be broken, I'm no longer getting e-mail updates about changes to watched pages, you may have to poke me on my talkpage once in awhile. | * Side note, Watchlist seams to be broken, I'm no longer getting e-mail updates about changes to watched pages, you may have to poke me on my talkpage once in awhile. | ||
:~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[ | :~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 14:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::Dantman, are you at all familiar with how tfwiki.net went about doing targeted ads, etc.?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 16:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | ::Dantman, are you at all familiar with how tfwiki.net went about doing targeted ads, etc.?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 16:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:::No, but you're talking about using Project Wonderful right? I knew about Project Wonderful a long time ago, I even signed up for an account (I can't remember where I put ads though, probably dead sites anyways). It's a nice idea, it's not "targeted" -- targeted ads usually refer to contextual ads, like how AdSense looks at the content on your page to guess what the best ad to serve is -- it's "direct" advertising, where people directly purchase ad space from you instead of using broad AdNetworks. The only issue is that it relies on having people visiting your site who are willing to purchase ads, or advertisers that pay attention to Project Wonderful, it's possible to end up in a situation sometimes where there is no advertisements coming from it. But mixed with other ideas it's lovely. | :::No, but you're talking about using Project Wonderful right? I knew about Project Wonderful a long time ago, I even signed up for an account (I can't remember where I put ads though, probably dead sites anyways). It's a nice idea, it's not "targeted" -- targeted ads usually refer to contextual ads, like how AdSense looks at the content on your page to guess what the best ad to serve is -- it's "direct" advertising, where people directly purchase ad space from you instead of using broad AdNetworks. The only issue is that it relies on having people visiting your site who are willing to purchase ads, or advertisers that pay attention to Project Wonderful, it's possible to end up in a situation sometimes where there is no advertisements coming from it. But mixed with other ideas it's lovely. | ||
:::So far the first experiment I think I'm leaning towards right now if we did move, would be a small block of Project Wonderful ads below the navigation box in the sidebar (2-3 ads high, 2 ads wide, small banners, maybe one wider banner at higher price), as well as a 300px ad in a right sidebar above an infobox area, if there is no right sidebar on the page then instead either a banner ad above the page title header, or perhaps in an island above the whole content area. I might consider making those banner or box ads project wonderful ads with a minimum price which fallback to advertising networks when there is no advertisement, which should allow a fair box with revenue coming from advertising networks but which allows direct advertisers who are willing to pay about as much as we get from the broad ad networks from an ad area to place their advertisement inside a page instead. I've also tossed around the idea of a separate instance for pages in certain categories, like "Video Games", allowing for a directly targeted ad on video game articles, which could be an enticing space for a store that sells those games to want to take over. | :::So far the first experiment I think I'm leaning towards right now if we did move, would be a small block of Project Wonderful ads below the navigation box in the sidebar (2-3 ads high, 2 ads wide, small banners, maybe one wider banner at higher price), as well as a 300px ad in a right sidebar above an infobox area, if there is no right sidebar on the page then instead either a banner ad above the page title header, or perhaps in an island above the whole content area. I might consider making those banner or box ads project wonderful ads with a minimum price which fallback to advertising networks when there is no advertisement, which should allow a fair box with revenue coming from advertising networks but which allows direct advertisers who are willing to pay about as much as we get from the broad ad networks from an ad area to place their advertisement inside a page instead. I've also tossed around the idea of a separate instance for pages in certain categories, like "Video Games", allowing for a directly targeted ad on video game articles, which could be an enticing space for a store that sells those games to want to take over. | ||
:::A lot of different ideas have been tossed around on the Narutopedia and elsewhere and gone through my head; Play-Asia affiliation. Hulu videos (while I hate hulu, 3rd party sites that embed videos get 10% of Hulu's cut of the advertising profits from videos which are watched on the 3rd party site), various ad networks, Project Wonderful, bg takeover ads (not favored), partnerships with relevant companies, donations, etc... ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[ | :::A lot of different ideas have been tossed around on the Narutopedia and elsewhere and gone through my head; Play-Asia affiliation. Hulu videos (while I hate hulu, 3rd party sites that embed videos get 10% of Hulu's cut of the advertising profits from videos which are watched on the 3rd party site), various ad networks, Project Wonderful, bg takeover ads (not favored), partnerships with relevant companies, donations, etc... ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 18:12, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | ||
I found the [[MediaWiki:Oasis.css|page that stores the Oasis crap]]. Why don't we try messing around with it? {{The Inexistentsig}} | I found the [[MediaWiki:Oasis.css|page that stores the Oasis crap]]. Why don't we try messing around with it? {{The Inexistentsig}} | ||
:It's actually [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]], but the ToU prohibits you from doing just about anything to the look of the wiki. ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[ | :It's actually [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]], but the ToU prohibits you from doing just about anything to the look of the wiki. ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 01:26, October 8, 2010 (UTC) | ||
<_< I'm in a dream... impossible... all (KH ?) wiki... (I'm from Fr wiki) --[[User:Yosh93|Yosh93]] 12:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC) | <_< I'm in a dream... impossible... all (KH ?) wiki... (I'm from Fr wiki) --[[User:Yosh93|Yosh93]] 12:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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[[Forum:Where will we go?|We're working on it.]]{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}06:21, October 28, 2010 (UTC) | [[Forum:Where will we go?|We're working on it.]]{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}06:21, October 28, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{Falcos|angry=Okay, I don't know if this is the right place to lodge this complaint, but I use two computers depending on where I am currently, one with a small screen, and one with a large one, and I'd like to point out that the new skin doesn't fit readably on either of them. Now, perhaps I'm more annoyed then I should be with it, as I'm used to the old skin, but I was giving it a week's trial, and I discovered, coming onto the wiki to edit (which I normally enjoy) was a chore with Oasis. It is missing several features that I have become accustomed to, is confusing to navigate and to read, and gives me migranes just trying to look at it. Furthermore, there are enough trolls and vandals on this wiki, and I think the gallery thing just screams "vandal bait". I am aware that it probably took a lot of work to design, but I'd like to ask if the people who designed it have ever done any editing. Because my guess would be not. Also, the toolbar at the bottom of the screen (which I haven't worked out how to get rid off, if it is at all possible) makes my bottom-of-the-range computer overheat and die from trying to load it. Also, the "more from wikia" feature, which I thought was reasonabley sized and placed before, is annoyingly sized, and placed. Also, the "added by" function is annoying, as it draws attention away from the article. Sorry, I got a bit rant-y there. In short, this skin is a bad idea, and while I don't doubt that some people like it, (I can think of worse things people have liked) I think the majority of people won't. Not sure what I was trying to achieve, besides throwing in my two cents.}} | |||
We're using [[Forum:@&%&*@%&$@&*$%|this forum]] more for the complaints directed at the Oasis skin, but you can also take it up with the wikia staff<!--My adivce, stick to the forum. They won't listen either way, and we've tormented Sannse enough.-->.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}01:55, October 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||