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Hi! I'm just a regular kid, but I'm extremily clever, and ready to solve any problem the worlds throw at me! But, my mom wants to know more about Kingdom hearts, and there's one thing I don't know. Who everyone in the new organization is.

Here's who I have so far:

1. Master Xehanort

2. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness

3. Xemnas

4. Young Xehanort

5. Braig

6. Isa

That's all I've got so far, in no particular order. Anyone else got people they know are in the new organization?

Pea14733 Hey, it's their world. They get to decide what to do with it. — 15:40, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
If we know more, confirmed infos, it'd be in the True Organization XIII by now. My guess? Maybe MX's replicas? MXs from multiple other timelines?

PS. Sign your message, kid, if you're really that clever.

maggosh The steel is forged... "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."

That would be Xigbar and Saïx, not Braig and Isa.

TheFifteenthMember I like white. I find it goes well with yellow, but only if you want it to. TheFifteenthMember 19:04, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
This is a good chance for me to ask about something that's been confusing me for a while. How do we know that the members of the other Organization are Saix and Xigbar and not Braig and Isa? If my memory is correct, Braig and Saix were the only people not with Lea, Dilan and the rest when they woke up. However I think we know its Saix and Xigbar because they vanished with the others when their time ran out which means they were from the past. The only thing is, how do we not know that Isa and Braig went into the future before they be and nobodies? Can someone tell me how we know its Isa and Braig?

One, that it's how they're credited, and two, it's what the official ultimania says. Besides, they are described as being mechanically what they were in khii (braig/isa body with xehanort heart), so what would be the point of calling them something that had a different composition?

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Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png I'm pretty sure it is Xigbar and Saïx. However, I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Isa and Braig are also part of it as separate beings. That being said, as of right now, you're list has all the known members of the True Organization XIII. Diamond Dust Keychain KHFM.png

Isa and braig as members is mechanically equivalent to xigbar and saix. Remember, each of the members has had their heart replaced by xehanort's, just like in the first org.

=-LightningPrincess12 (talk) 14:09, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |text=I've got some suggestions for possible members here, Master Xehanort's nobody for one. No I don't mean Xemnas, I mean Master Xehanort's actual nobody created from his body and soul. Evidence for this is that when MX extracts his heart and transfers it into Terra's body his original body keeps talking, and he disapears into light the same way Sora does in the first game when he uses the dark keyblade on himself. Master Xehanort's true nobody was either created when he took over Terra, or his original body and soul ended up dormant somewhere and resurfaced as a nobody when his heart became Ansem. Since Xemnas was made from Terra's body and soul it doesn't really make sense that his death would restore Master Xehanort, so it's likely that MX's nobody was destroyed at some point between Ansem's destruction and Dream Drop Distance, he might have delibrately let Aqua or King Mickey kill him so he could become his complete self again and then his younger self used time travel to recruit him for the True Organization. It seems strange that he would be lower ranked than Xemnas since he's a more direct incarnation of Xehanort, but rank has nothing to do with authority in the first Organization so there's no reason the new one couldn't be the same way. Going with the idea that he fought Aqua or Mickey before, he'd probably have worn a black coat with his hood up when he fought them, in which case Mickey might have thought he was a member of the first Organization and Aqua wouldn't have known who he was, but whichever one of them fought him before will probably meet him again in KH3 and recognise him by his Keyblade.

Braig's heartless is another possiblity, Nomura said in an interview that Xehanort and Scar are the only people that kept their original forms as heartless, but there's no reason the former couldn't extend to Xehanort's vessels. Bonus points if he's planning to troll Xehanort, Apparently Xigbar will be able to use a Keyblade once he's been completely taken over by Xehanort, his plan could be to wait until either his heartless or nobody becomes a complete Xehanort clone and gets a Keyblade, and the other one will kill both of them, restoring Braig and allowing him to use a Keyblade without being controlled By Xehanort.

At least one Disney Villain, Scar and Frollo would be good candidates, as well as Turbo/King Candy if Wreck-It Ralph gets made into a world in KH3. Xehanort's looking for vessels to fill with pure darkness and someone like Frollo that's already pure evil would work perfectly, plus there's a good chance that we'll finally get to fight him! Additionally as I said above, Scar didn't need to possess anyone to keep his physical form as a Heartless and Turbo would be able to hide the fact that he's half Xehanort already by his King Candy disguise.

My new Org XIII :) I. Master Xehanort
II. Ansem, Seeker of Darkness
III. Xemnas
IV. Terra-Xehanort (or just Xehanort, or Ansem - too many aliases)
V. Young Xehanort
VI. Braig (Not Xigbar, we've already seen Braig speaking with Young Xehanort when he re materialized in Radiant Garden... a cutscene in KH 2.5 I think)
VII. Isa (Same as Braig, re materialized in Radiant Garden in cutscene for KH 2.5)
VIII. Demyx (Remained loyal to the original Org XIII to the end)
IX. Luxord (Remained loyal to the original Org XIII to the end)
X. Marluxia (Marluxia is a bit of a long shot, but seeing as how he wanted the power of the Keyblade for himself and he rebelled because he didn't want to regain his human form, there's potential to a new alliance with Master Xehanort)
XI. Larxene (See Marluxia's explanation)
XII. The Phantom Blot (Micky Mouse works version - I wanted to throw in a Disney character, and besides The Phantom Blot can be like an embodiment of darkness itself, like a Heartless but different)
XIII. Vanitas (I figure that the 13th member will be Vanitas, and that he'll be recruited right after Ventus is restored. With Ventus comes Vanitas, plus I think his appearance in KH3D was foreshadowing). (Levi657 (talk) 20:14, 23 January 2015 (UTC))

KrytenKoro - "Punch your lights out, hit the pavement. That's what I call entertainment. Causin' problems makes you famous - all the violence makes a statement."
Marluxia and Larxene were specifically ruled out by the monologue in KH3D as being too traitorous. Demyx is a longshot, since the same monologue ruled out some of the recipients as being "too weak", but sure.

Vanitas is almost a given already, as he and the Riku Replica make cameos in KH3D alongside established Seekers. Braig and Isa, as Seekers, are by definition Xigbar and Saix -- the process that turns them into Seekers is identical to the process that made them members of the Organization. It would be almost nonsensical for a character to has made no appearances in the series to be part of a group that all the previous games have focused on putting together, so the Phantom Blot is out -- even Hawkeye and Black Widow at least cameod in the other Avengers' movies before the crossover. Terra-Xehanort is unlikely to be an option because he possesses the full heart-body setup that forbids him from time-travelling like Young Xehanort did. All forms of Xehanort who serve as Seekers need to either be in the present, or be incomplete and thus able to time-travel.

So, with four spaces left:

IVa. Xion, a suitable replacement for Sora who was even used as a tool for Xemnas already, and would make her plot relevant.

Xa. Riku Replica -- same as Xion and Vanitas

XIa. Man in Brown -- same as Young Xehanort, although he may be ruled out due to bodyshape issues.

XIb. Sephiroth -- is intimately tied to the darkness, and would finally bring some sense to that whole lack of a plot -- but has no known connection to Xehanort.

XIc. No Heart -- has appeared related to Xemnas and Master Xehanort.

XIIa. Terra -- Xehanort claims that one of the three missing friends is already his, and Terra is due to return. In addition, even before Xehanort took his body completely, he was demonstrating the Xehanort-eyes thing (although I may be confused by the secret video, haven't checked the actual cutscene in a while).

Out of these, some of whom would be partially-brainwashed, I would predict that the plot would focus on rescuing Xion, Terra, Isa, Riku Replica, and possibly Luxord and Demyx from Xehanort's influence. The first four were, at various points in the series, friends to the protagonists. Oooor, they try to redeem Young Xehanort himself, causing the whole "Evil Xehanort" thing to have never happened in the first place. Merlin has definitely been demonstrated with enough magic to actually modify the flow of time, as has the Book of Prophecy (which, 100 Acre Wood much?) soooo...yeah.

Some of what you said KrytenKoro sounds questionable. Byzantinefire - There are no strings on me 20px-AOU_Audi_Promo_07.png (talk) 22:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Luxord, Demyx, Marluxia and Larxene weren't exactly singled out. By too weak I'm pretty sure it was more directed toward Dilan, Even, Aeleus, Ienzo and Lea, otherwise I'm sure they would've already appeared in the series as their complete selves. Xion makes no sense because she's a) joined with Sora and b) she directly opposes the Org XIII's goals. Having either Riku Replica or Data Riku is a pretty similar situation and I think his appearance in KH3D was meant to just antagonize Riku and further attempt to push him into darkness before moving more directly to Sora. The man in brown is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness in a different form. That'd be like saying one of the Seekers is Ansem merged with World of Darkness. Makes no sense since Ansem himself is already a member. If Braig and Isa aren't restored then why did we see them restored in KHIII? You said it yourself, the seekers would have to be whole in the present or partial in the past - which Braig and Isa now are. As for No Heart, considering that it's Master Xehanort's armor, I don't really see how having 2 Master Xehanorts together would make much sense. How does Terra-Xehanort make no sense? Master Xehanort even said that he has Terra within the Seekers, and the only way that's possible is through Terra-Xehanort, where Terra's consciousness still exists but is overcome by Xehanort. Plus that provides a potential plot line to save Terra as Mickey and Yen Sid want to do. And finally, the whole point of a new game is to introduce new characters, otherwise it gets pretty boring very quickly, so I don't think that every single member will be someone we've encountered in the past. Players anticipate new characters, so they'll likely get some, I just suggested a character I wanted to see. A lot of your information is contradictory. (Levi657 (talk) 23:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC))

Probably more appropriate in a Guardians of Light discussion, but couldn't find one. Just had a random theory while watching the video Another Guardian of Light, though largely when reading the title of the secret ending. It's been shown a few times that the creators and the character Xehanort (I can't recall which incarnation) is aware that their name, minus the X, is an amalgam of "no heart", and "another". The title Another Guardian of Light leads me to suspect that the title may not just be eluding to another Warrior of Light, but also maybe cluing in that an incarnation of Xehanort may end up as a Warrior of Light, especially as the Xehanorts clued that they control one of Warriors of Light, which may mean that that Warrior of Light in question will end up as a Seeker of Darkness. Thus balancing things out of what Master Xehanort is true that one of the people in Mickey's estimate is with the Seekers, balanced with someone we suspect is a Seeker is actually with the light. Not much concrete, but just some random thoughts I had. May be overthinking the subject, would be be amusing if the title secretly held a clue/teaser in the upcoming clash between the warriors of light and seekers of darkness. --Dmitri Valentine (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)