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Regarding [[KHWiki:Staff | Regarding [[KHWiki:Staff policy|this]], which staff and editors alike came up with during the roundtable last night, we're opening up to thoughts of other users as this is not a policy in effect but one in development, so we should discuss this. | ||
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I think you're looking into the phrasing there a bit too much, ENX. All that is implied there is that they need to contact a staff member that can restore their powers (i.e. a bureaucrat, as you said), nothing else. No one's imposing superiority, but I do think the wording would be better and clearer if it simply said "contact a bureaucrat", since not everyone may know what qualifies as a "higher" staff member and what is meant by that.}} | I think you're looking into the phrasing there a bit too much, ENX. All that is implied there is that they need to contact a staff member that can restore their powers (i.e. a bureaucrat, as you said), nothing else. No one's imposing superiority, but I do think the wording would be better and clearer if it simply said "contact a bureaucrat", since not everyone may know what qualifies as a "higher" staff member and what is meant by that.}} | ||
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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)|default=In the roundtable, didn't we say that staff who declare ''temporary'' retirement still keep their rights for when they return? <small>If we didn't, I meant to say it.</small> Then, Xion and Erry can keep their rights if they wish so there's less hassle when they return. Maybe, those temporarily inactive should be labelled so on the staff page or listed somewhere else. Thoughts guys?}} | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:26, 10 August 2014 (UTC)|text=No, we didn't. I checked the logs last night when Xion announced her temporary inactivity on the IRC. According to the decision Friday, they both lose their rights immediately. I think that should be changed to retaining rights if the inactivity is temporary or definite. If it's indefinite inactivity that they know will end, but aren't sure when, they they can have their rights removed. I don't know, what do you think?}} | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)|happy=That's what I think. I meant to say this on Friday but I guess I forgot.}} | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=16:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)|text=Yeah, I think we felt good when we decided to make it more lenient, but we missed this detail.}} | |||
{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 03:36, 11 August 2014 (UTC)|xemnas=perhaps we can differentiate between some terms: | |||
*'''Declared Retirement''': A user leaves and has the intention to never return with notice. (Regardless of the fact that they actually may or may not return.) This user should not be contact for wiki matters. This user should have their rights removed. If they return, they can get their rights back instantly with no probation period. Their staff icon will be moved to the retired page. (ex. KrytenKoro) | |||
*'''Declared Temporary Retirement''': A user leaves for an extended period of time with notice and has the possibility to return, but also has the possibility of never returning. This user should not be contacted for wiki matters unless they declare their return. This user should not have their rights removed after 6 months of inactivity, but only after the user has been notified and questioned about their intentions to remain active or retire. If they return, they can get their rights back instantly with no probation period. Their staff icon will remain on the staff page, and be grayscaled. (ex. Erry) | |||
*'''Declared Inactivity''': A user leaves for an extended period of time with notice and has full intention to return. This user can be contacted for wiki matters unless otherwise stated by the user himself/herself. This user should not have their rights removed unless they remain inactive 2 months after their given period of time. After the 2 months, the user shall be inquired as to their intentions of whether or not they wish to extend their inactivity, retire, or remain active. The extension shall last as long as the user needs it to be, and the user may only receive 2? extensions until they are considered to be temporarily retired. If no period of time is given, the user will be asked about their intentions of activity after 2 months after the declaration of inactivity, and my fall under the "undeclared inactivity" category. the user will be contacted of their intentions for returning or why they are not back after those two months (or whatever amount of months we decide). In case something happens that causes that extended inactivity. A legitimate reason for declaring inactivity is encouraged, but not required, especially if it is a personal matter. If they return, they can get their rights back instantly with no probation period. Their staff icon will remain on the staff page, and be grayscaled. (ex. Xion4Ever) | |||
*'''Undeclared Inactivity''': A user leaves for an extended period of time without notice or declares inactivity and does not return. This user should be stripped of their rights after 4 months of inactivity, but only after the user has been notified and questioned about their intentions to remain active or retire. If they return, they shall receive a 2 month probation period, where he/she must prove that they are still worthy of holding their powers once more. Their staff icon will be moved to the retired page until after they return and are granted their powers once more. (ex. Troisnyxetienne) | |||
It is encouraged that the users that fall under the first 3 categories put a notice on their userpage/talkpage, but it is not required so long as the community knows. | |||
Things that need be worked out are in red.}} | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)|text=I agree with everything here. The time listed is pretty reasonable, so I don't have much opinion. I think two or three extensions of declared inactivity is reasonable without legitimate excuses. Other than that, I agree with the policy Chain has laid out for us. What do you guys think? I'd especially like to hear from the current site staff, since it's their jobs/titles/powers that we're playing with. I'd like to know especially if this is a feasible and livable policy, or if it's too strict, or even if it's too lenient. Like, it'd be great to just decide like that, but since they're the ones being affected and live this full time, I think their voices need to be heard here.}} | |||
{{Chainoffire|time={{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 05:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)|normal=Another thing I wanted to bring up is for Declared Inactivity and maybe Declared Temporary Retirement. Maybe we could have the staff images remain on the staff page, but have them grayscale and put asterisks by their names and, using the hover template, state whether they're inactive or temporarily retired.}} | |||
{{ANX219|time=15:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)|text=Looks pretty solid to me. I also like the idea of the grayscale images, it sounds like a cool effect to the page. :^)}} | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)|dango=Agreed with everything to this point. We just need the opinions of some staffers before we implement the changes.}} | |||
<small>Currently posting this during a break during band camp...from my phone. </small> I cannot give a full response as both a user and staff member. However, I'm going to throw this out there...I've said it before and I'm saying it again now. At least to me, being a staff member means other things than just editing. We come "to power" by nominations from the community. Those users selected are then discussed among the staff and finally chosen. As I've always seen it, we (staff) are mainly at the mercy/judgment of the community...In a way servants-we are servants of the Wiki. Our main priority is editing, yes, but we also must remember our role in the community. | |||
I just now thought back to when I wasn't a staff member. If the staff had full power to decide what determined them inactive and such, man...We have a good staff here, at least I think so- stepping outside the staff/editor position. Regardless, that is not right. We, staff, should have some say, but the community should be the main voice...Assuming it is reasonable, that is. | |||
So, that's all I'm gonna say. You guys decide. As for what to do to me, you could toss me into the Realm of Darkness for a while. Ha ha. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 19:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I always thought of the staff as a large proportion of the community so we still wanted your opinions. To avoid overlooking some details, it's important that we look from a staffer's perspective and the most qualified people to do that, are the staffers themselves! | |||
:Anyway, there's been no protest or argument against so I'm sure we're good to implement the changes now (how 'bout that grayscale effect?). {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC) | |||