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==Rules rewrite proposal== | ==Rules rewrite proposal== | ||
Please take a look at [[ | Please take a look at [[KHWiki:IRC/Draft|this]]. I believe it is easier to read and more concise than the current rules section. I would appreciate your comments or edits. Thanks![[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:45, July 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
==Problem== | ==Problem== | ||
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--[[User:Keyhole15|Keyhole15]] 00:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | --[[User:Keyhole15|Keyhole15]] 00:36, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
The IRC channel, of course. Wasn't that obvious?-- | The IRC channel, of course. Wasn't that obvious?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:37, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Yeah, on the IRC, it's not like we talk about Kingdom Hearts all the time. We have topics from Lady Gaga to Pokemon there. :P --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 02:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | :Yeah, on the IRC, it's not like we talk about Kingdom Hearts all the time. We have topics from Lady Gaga to Pokemon there. :P --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 02:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
::<s>GAGA RO MA MA.</s> Yes, this is true. Chat is not limited to ''Kingdom Hearts''. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 22:21, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ::<s>GAGA RO MA MA.</s> Yes, this is true. Chat is not limited to ''Kingdom Hearts''. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 22:21, May 14, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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::::I believe that the community is going to remain rather the same on the new IRC. So probably keep them banned. However, if we keep them on a shorter leash, it might be fair to give the users who were previously banned a second chance. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 04:29, January 16, 2011 (UTC) | ::::I believe that the community is going to remain rather the same on the new IRC. So probably keep them banned. However, if we keep them on a shorter leash, it might be fair to give the users who were previously banned a second chance. --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 04:29, January 16, 2011 (UTC) | ||
I am shaking and so stressed I have not felt this bad in a long time.I feel like dirt.I was humilated.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 04:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC) | I am shaking and so stressed I have not felt this bad in a long time.I feel like dirt.I was humilated.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 04:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:::::<!--hemad--> maggosh: Oh, I just meant that we would have more problems on the IRC. But that's rather irrelevant, since this IRC shall soon have its conditions altered once the new one is created. I'll start a new topic for my proposal. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 04:32, January 16, 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Proposal for managing the new IRC Channel == | |||
{{DTN|time=04:43, January 16, 2011 (UTC)|text=Okay, I've been handling the work regarding the new IRC Channel for the off-Wikia wiki, which looks like it will be for SEIWA. I've acquired several new channels to my account, to be safeguarded in case we decide to use them. However, my plan also concerns this wiki's IRC, possibly its continued existence. | |||
#Create #SEIWA-KHWiki for the new wiki. Kryten and I attempted to create #KHWiki, but that gets into some forms we have to fill out with freenode to claim ownership. If we decide on this, Kryten or I can handle the forms--they prefer for it to be filled out by an administrator of the party wishing to claim the channel. | |||
#''Consider'' forming ##khchat. Freenode has a few namespaces, just like wikis do. However, freenode just has two namespaces of channels: #channelspace and ##channelspace. Channels with just one hash are for official parties and businesses, whereas double-hash channels are for unofficial, lax, and relatively lesser groups. I have looked into the current state of #wikia-kingdomhearts and the way our neighbor wiki handles IRC channels, and have come to the conclusion we could benefit from: | |||
##Forming two IRC channels--one is wiki-based, the other is social-based, but neither are ''totally'' restricted. | |||
##Removing #wikia-kingdomhearts and instead using ##khchat for both wikis' social needs. #wikia-kingdomhearts currently is doing NOTHING GOOD to represent a professional wiki that is supposed to be an example of good work--however, that is not what the Wikia wiki will be in two weeks. So this could be blown off and ##khchat can just be forgotten. However, I do like the idea of ridding the channel, since this wiki has shown ''many'' instances of bad IRC issues and problems--just check the forums and IRC page's number of OP's. Perhaps it would be better to retain that level of social activity, but move it somewhere where it cannot badly reflect a wiki. | |||
So leave opinions below. Personally, I'm all for using #SEIWA-KHWiki. As for this wiki's IRC, either way is fine. I'm not so much for ##khchat possibly merging the social and professional wikis on a high level, though our communities will possibly stay conjoined.}} | |||
{{LA|medic=IMO, I like ''#seiwa-kingdomhearts''. It's sort of like ''#wikia-kingomhearts'', only SEIWA-ifyed. | |||
As for the deletion of the current channel, I don't really think we should. After all, it's its own bar with its own community and noobs will gripe and moan about it being gone. So I say keep it, but since it's clearly an eyesore, don't advertise it so much. And not ''every''one there is horrid. | |||
I think two IRC channels, one for socialization and one for wiki-business is a good idea. Considering how much serious talk gets lost in the chaos... well, it might be a good idea.}} | |||
{{Soxra|ienzo=I'm in favor of #SEIWA-KingdomHearts, as long as it has stricter rules. A more lax channel like ##KHChat could be created to satisfy the lesser discussions. | |||
<s>Ditch</s><!--Badly phrased, sorry-->Get rid of the current channel completely.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=4:51am, January 16, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
{{Azul|time=04:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)|text=I agree with LA. "Business" and "pleasure" must be separated. On the deletion of the current channel, it doesn't make a difference. The wiki will move and no longer be affiliated with that channel, so I guess it doesn't really matter. Remove it from the list and done.}} | |||
{{SilverCrono|time=19:38, January 17, 2011 (UTC)|text=<s>No. Just make #KHWiki and be done with the current channel. No need for two, but we do need some better management.</s> | |||
<table class="mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" width="100%" cellspacing="0"><tr><th align="left"><h3>Influence on Crono's Decision</h3></th></tr> | |||
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[19:40:05] <DoorToNothing> The only problem is that #KHWiki is owned by freenode | |||
[19:40:23] <SickCrono> Huh? Freenode "owns" channels? | |||
[19:40:26] <DoorToNothing> So Kryten or myself would have to fill out a large form to send in to freenode, wait for them to process it, and finally get it POSSIBLY. | |||
[19:40:28] <DoorToNothing> Yes. | |||
[19:40:36] <SickCrono> Oh. | |||
[19:40:38] <SickCrono> >.> | |||
[19:40:43] <SickCrono> Well, I still say we try for it. | |||
[19:40:48] <DoorToNothing> Ex: If I tried to /register the channel, it would say the channel is already owned by freenode. | |||
[19:40:52] <SickCrono> If you do it now, we may get it in time >> | |||
[19:41:06] <DoorToNothing> Also, your idea would mean both wikis share an IRC. | |||
[19:41:10] DoorToNothing no likey :{ | |||
[19:41:14] <SickCrono> :S | |||
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I have seen the light. I'm with Soxra.}} | |||
{{KKD|time=02:02, January 18, 2011 (UTC)|link=I don't really see the value of having a second channel, to be honest. The serious conversations are few and far between anyway, and most of the issues are "Troll! Block him!" or "Should the page be like this or this?" which can easily just be brought up in a query with an admin or mod. #seiwa-kingdomhearts sounds good to me for a name, though.}} | |||
{{SSC|time=06:57, January 26, 2011 (UTC)|M-text=I say a second channel like ##khchat is a good idea. However, though, since we'll no longer be affiliated with #wikia-kingdomhearts, two channels will most likely be needed: one for the "main" stuff, another for the social. | |||
… Sounds like a pain, setting up user flags, channel flags and the like, but, personally, I feel this is a good idea. | |||
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{{Xion4ever|time=18:43, January 29, 2011 (UTC)|text=You guys have pretty much covered everything I had in mind. I agree with Azul and DTN. Nice job, guys!}} | |||
== Plan for the future == | |||
{{Sove|time=03:59, 27 April 2012 (UTC)|roxastalk= | |||
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<Sove> Most # channels I'm in have filed no grf<br> | |||
<Sove> :p<br> | |||
<Ttech> Sove, However to reclaim one, you need a grf-f and once GMS is finished, you will need a GRF to have one.<br> | |||
'''<+dax> One of these days, we're going to enable enforcement of the primary namespace, and the sound of "I told you so" from staff is going to render the userbase deaf for weeks'''.<br> | |||
<Sove> dax, and all # channels not having one will be dropped automatically?<br> | |||
'''<PriceKid> My one # channel got dropped'''<br> | |||
<PriceKid> I was planning to get a grf-f<br> | |||
<+dax> Sove: We're still working out the details, but I don't imagine they'll make off-topic channels very happy.<br> | |||
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Basically this means that our channels are under a constant danger of being forcefully dropped. Since gaming is off-topic to Freenode, the GRF-f sent by Kryten was denied. While the threat of forceful drop seems to be pretty minor, it still exists and things won't go nice when they start to enforce the channel naming policy, if they haven't yet dropped the channels at that point. | |||
I think we should prepare a plan just in case the channel is forcefully dropped. We pretty much have three choices, if we'll need to move our channels. | |||
1) Use #seiwa- prefix (eg. #seiwa-KHWiki). This had support before these present channels were registered (as you can see above). SEIWA is a registered group in Freenode and any channel under its namespace is protected from any possible forceful drop (except if I don't like the channel), and is considered an official channel in Freenode. | |||
2) Use ##KHWiki- prefix. ## channels are for topical and reference channels, so I'm not entirely sure how Freenode's staff would feel about using it. Since these channels are considered unofficial in Freenode, it might have an impact on how readers see us. | |||
3) Find another IRC network. I don't recommend this at all, it's just too complicated. | |||
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{{KrytenKoro|How the heck exactly are we "off-topic" when wikia and all its babies are "on-topic"? | |||
How is SEIWA acceptable but not KHWiki? | |||
In any case, what would be the difficulty of switching networks? We could just register with rizon or something.}} | |||
{{NinjaSheik|text=I don't if I can be much help when I tell you guys this, but since I've at the OP Wiki, they seem to have a special page on their wiki where they can chat. It can be access using the new wiki skin, but since use monobook, I don't really know how it's done. They link me too it, and I've only been there a few times. If possible, maybe creating a special page on this wiki can act as replacement for the Chat for the IRC. Sorry if I wasn't much helped.}} | |||
{{Sove|time=04:30, 27 April 2012 (UTC)|roxastalk= | |||
Q: "How the heck exactly are we "off-topic" when wikia and all its babies are "on-topic"?"<br> | |||
A: Wikia is not only about gaming or other subjects Freenode considers unofficial. | |||
Q: "How is SEIWA acceptable but not KHWiki?"<br> | |||
A: Same thing as Wikia. While we only have gaming wikis there so far, SE has also released material considered on-topic. I wouldn't have managed to register the group if it was considered off-topic. | |||
Q: "In any case, what would be the difficulty of switching networks? We could just register with rizon or something."<br> | |||
A: Not exactly the moving, but many of us are using other Freenode channels as well, such as #FFWiki and very many wikis we can possibly affliate with are also using Freenode. It's pretty much about convenience. | |||
@Ninja, you are talking about Wikia's WikiChat thing. We can't have that here since it's Wikia only. It's inferior to IRC in every aspect anyway. | |||
E: Looks like people are overreacting and bombarding dax with questions about this. Learn the difference between 'just in case' and 'now', please. I just had to explain the situation to him.}} | |||
{{17m|time=15:47, 27 April 2012 (UTC)|text= Option #1 seems to be the best solution to the problem. I mean, we ARE part of SEIWA, and putting "SEIWA" in our channel's name won't bring any harm. Besides, by adding SEIWA in the channel's name we're also promoting it, possibly attracting new wikis to join the group. It's a win-win situation if you ask me.}} | |||
{{Keyblade0|time=01:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)|normal=The first option should appeal to many people, mainly it's the easiest option and most convenient option available. Plus, it'll also be considered an offical channel in Freenode. Freenode (hopefully) should leave us alone in peace if we go along with this option. | |||
The Second option is also convenient, but if it affects how other people see us in a negative way, then we shouldn't do it. Plus, they might drop the channel. | |||
The Third option is not convenient at all. The admins would have to go through the process of registering it, registering their nicks, etc for themselves and the channel. Us, too. Then comes the rule changes in the new network. (if there is any) | |||
First option is the best way to go.}} | |||
{{Ark|time=21:30, 28 April 2012 (UTC)|XJR-9=I agree that a channel in the #seiwa namespace is the best solution to this. <b>We do not need to move immediately</b>, but it would be sensible to have a <i>contingency plan</i> in place, and I feel that a channel in the #seiwa namespace would work well.<br> | |||
Moving network is not advisable, as it would require a large amount of extra work, and, inevitably, not everyone would move across. freenode is quite unique amongst IRC networks in terms of its configuration and role; I still believe that it is the best network for us.<br>I would suggest merging the Social and Noticeboard channels back into a single channel; having them separate really isn't necessary considering the size of our userbase, and I don't see it as being beneficial. The experimental -OPs channel can be dropped and not replaced.<br> | |||
As I said, we do <b>not</b> need to move immediately. However, once we have decided on a name for the new channel, it may be sensible to set up a forward in the existing channels for a while so that all users attempting to join the old channels are automatically moved to the new channel, thus making a transition far easier. It would be necessary to do this before our current channels get dropped (<b>still an if, not a when</b>); a case of jumping before one may be pushed, if you will.<br> | |||
It is quite easy for me or Sove to transfer all settings and options to a new channel, so it would <b>function identically to the current channels</b>, and the IRC page on this wiki can be easily updated.<br> | |||
This really is not a problem, so please do not worry about it; there is absolutely no need.}} | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=22:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)|talktext=Just posting on here what I told Sove over the IRC... | |||
I'm up for changing the name to #sewia-KHWiki- the first option. It is the most simple, least confusing, and relatively easy to change. Second option is meh. The third, to me anyways, is a last resort. I see no need to toss Freenode out entirely because of this. I can see their reasoning for wanting us to switch names...If needed though, as a final resort, I will side with switching to a new host.}} | |||
==What the heck...== | |||
{{TNE|time=14:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)|shocktext=I'm an OP ''and'' a retired OP????}} | |||
{{RikutheBloody|time={{User:Master Riku the Bloody/Sig1}} 14:23, 15 January 2015 (UTC)|text=Sorry. That was on me.}} | |||
==Discord Channel Ops== | |||
I'm looking for anyone who is interested in being a Channel Op on the KHWiki Discord Channel if anyone is interested please reply here. {{User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 21:35, 24 March 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Discord Channel oversight == | |||
Okay... dunno who set the permissions in this Wikia's Discord Server. But, letting anyone who joins edit the text and voice channels is a pretty big oversight. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 23:50, 15 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:Through, it looks like its pretty much dead anyway. :-/ --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 00:08, 16 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:I don't really know why I am an admin over there but I edited some permissions just now. I think it's not surprising that the chats, both this and the IRC, are pretty dead considering the wiki activity these days. {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 02:45, 16 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
::Isn't TheSilentHero an operator there? In any case, does the KHWiki think it's beneficial to keep the Discord Channel? Or should the account be closed if there's zero activity there?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:58, 16 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::I am. I don't think there's any reason to shut down the channel. There's just not much activity lately, both there as on the IRC, and even the community stuff here is pretty dead. What I do want to discuss is whether we should take away Byz's operator power on the discord channel, seeing as he is blocked here and doesn't care anymore, as he said himself. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:29, 16 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::I don't think think it's wise to have both the IRC and Discord channels. Once the wiki does pick up activity again, having two separate chatrooms would split the community. It's more sustainable in the long run to have one active channel over two semi-active channels since the activity of a chat room influences how long users want to stay around for. Alternative scenarios would be that only one chat room ends up being used, making the other redundant, or all users join both channels, which would be pointless and tedious, potentially deterring newer users from joining in. Hence, I think we need to decide on one or the other - perhaps by a poll once activity picks up. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 00:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:::::By the way, [[User:Byzantinefire|Byzantinefire]] is currently the Discord server owner, so unless someone can get him to transfer ownership, I don't think much can be done at the moment. Also he removed [[User:TheSilentHero|TheSilentHero]] from the Admin role there. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 01:02, 17 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
::::::And of course he just had to send me a somewhat rude message. Well, he's blocked by me now, so making a new Discord server would work for the KHWiki. --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 01:11, 17 August 2017 (UTC) | |||