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I've added in all fo the bosses from that mission list we have, in journal (not mission) order. Quite a few of them appear to simply be regular enemies, but the "boss" section of the journal does not include all of the clearly boss ones, like the Debris Flow super-boss or Dual Blade types. We'll have to re-evaluate this once we get the game and can go over it more clearly.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC) | I've added in all fo the bosses from that mission list we have, in journal (not mission) order. Quite a few of them appear to simply be regular enemies, but the "boss" section of the journal does not include all of the clearly boss ones, like the Debris Flow super-boss or Dual Blade types. We'll have to re-evaluate this once we get the game and can go over it more clearly.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:07, 5 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:Okay, the game has two different types of enemy missions that the guide considers bosses: "Destroy the Giant Heartless" and "Eliminate the Heartless Threat". The second type are the ones we traditionally consider bosses - the Leechgrave, the Guard Armor, etc. However, this does ''not'' include the Darkside and Dark Follower. The game also uses the cutscene and boss music for less than the guide lists, so if someone wanted to go through and catalogue ''every use'' of that song, we could do that. I would honestly suggest just using those who are "eliminate the Heartless threat", and we could maybe throw in the Darks out of logic.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:53, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | :Okay, the game has two different types of enemy missions that the guide considers bosses: "Destroy the Giant Heartless" and "Eliminate the Heartless Threat". The second type are the ones we traditionally consider bosses - the Leechgrave, the Guard Armor, etc. However, this does ''not'' include the Darkside and Dark Follower. The game also uses the cutscene and boss music for less than the guide lists, so if someone wanted to go through and catalogue ''every use'' of that song, we could do that. I would honestly suggest just using those who are "eliminate the Heartless threat", and we could maybe throw in the Darks out of logic.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 02:53, October 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
== Question == | |||
Shouldn't we only list the first appearance of the Heartless Bosses, like we do with other nav templates? And if not, we should add the CoM bosses, and Ansem for DDD, as well as put the Final Mix bosses together with the regular ones. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:00, 4 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Personally, I don't have a problem with a full list seeing as the navbar doesn't suffer from being too long. However, I get that it would be more consistent if we list it by first appearance, in which case I suggest that we possibly reorganise [[List of Bosses]] to list game by game rather than by boss type. And yes, those should be added. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:20, 4 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Although I don't have a problem with the current list either, it would have a lot of double links. For example, the Darkside would be linked under KH, CoM, KHD, KHRec, and KHx. For the same reason, I think we should keep the List of Bosses page as it is. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::I made two versions of the template, one where bosses are only listed for the first game they appear in, and one where they are listed under every game. Which version looks better? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::The first one is missing many of the variants.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:16, 6 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Hmm, I can't decide. I guess it is better to be able to navigate through the list of all bosses for every game, since the are more important then the regular enemies. On the other hand they are not exactly hidden in the games so you will always be able to find the information here regardless. Maybe it's best to go with the "introduced in" route for the sake of consistency. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 21:51, 6 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::If we're keeping all the Chi remodels, we should have the ones from other games as well. If not, then we should eliminate them across the board and focus on archetypes.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:57, 6 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Maybe we should go for the second option, as the KHx section looks better on that one. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:10, 7 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
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! align="center" style="background:#4B0082; border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<div style="margin-left:75px;"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Heartless Bosses</span></div> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts (game)|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Darkside]] | [[Guard Armor]]/[[Opposite Armor]] | [[Trickmaster]] | [[Stealth Sneak]] | [[Pot Centipede]] | [[Parasite Cage]] | [[AntiSora]] | [[Behemoth]] | [[Kurt Zisa]] | [[Phantom]] | [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]] | [[World of Chaos]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Final Mix|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Final Mix</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Red Armor]] | [[Sneak Army]] | [[Destroyed Behemoth]] | [[Arch Behemoth]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts II|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts II</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Possessor|Possessor/Thresholder]] | [[Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn|Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn]] | [[Illuminator]] | [[Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord]] | [[Prison Keeper]] | [[Storm Rider]] | [[Grim Reaper]] | [[Groundshaker]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Mushroom XIII]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Veil Lizard]] | [[Lurk Lizard]] | [[Powered Armor]] | [[Dark Follower]] | [[Antlion]] | [[Infernal Engine]] | [[Leechgrave]] | [[Crimson Prankster]] | [[Ruler of the Sky]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Dark Hide]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts Re:coded|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Re:coded</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Sora's Heartless]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''Introduced in ''[[Kingdom Hearts χ|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts χ</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Behemoth Ω]] | [[Black Costume]] | [[Carp Submarine]] | [[Circus Fortress]] | [[Cruel Sweets]] | [[Darkside Ω]] | [[Egg Master]] | [[Fortress Crab]] ([[Fortress Crab Subspecies|Subspecies]]) | [[Guard Armor Ω]] | [[Hocus Pocus]] | [[Jack-in-the-box]] | [[Lion Dance Headliner]] | [[Malicious Reindeer]] | [[Noisy Wardrobe]] | [[Possessor Herd]] | [[Purple Gummi Hound]] | [[Queen Bee]] ([[Queen Bee Ω|Ω]]) | [[Savage Spider]] | [[Trickmaster Ω]] | [[Trident Tail]] ([[Trident Tail Ω|Ω]], [[Blue Trident Tail|Blue]], [[Green Trident Tail|Green]], [[Red Trident Tail|Red]]) | [[Venomous Spider]] | [[White Returner]] | [[Wily Bandit]] | [[Wretched Witch]]</small> | |||
|} | |||
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|- | |||
! align="center" style="background:#4B0082; border-radius: 7px;" width="100%" |<div style="margin-left:75px;"><span style="color:#FFFFFF">Heartless Bosses</span></div> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts (game)|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Darkside]] | [[Guard Armor]]/[[Opposite Armor]] | [[Trickmaster]] | [[Stealth Sneak]] | [[Pot Centipede]] | [[Parasite Cage]] | [[AntiSora]] | [[Behemoth]] | [[Kurt Zisa]] | [[Phantom]] | [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]] | [[World of Chaos]]<br>[[Red Armor]] | [[Sneak Army]] | [[Destroyed Behemoth]] | [[Arch Behemoth]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Guard Armor]] | [[Trickmaster]] | [[Parasite Cage]] | [[Darkside]] | [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts II|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts II</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Possessor|Possessor/Thresholder]] | [[Shadow Stalker and Dark Thorn|Shadow Stalker/Dark Thorn]] | [[Illuminator]] | [[Blizzard Lord and Volcanic Lord]] | [[Prison Keeper]] | [[Storm Rider]] | [[Grim Reaper]] | [[Groundshaker]]<br>[[Mushroom XIII]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Veil Lizard]] | [[Lurk Lizard]] | [[Guard Armor]] | [[Powered Armor]] | [[Darkside]] | [[Dark Follower]] | [[Antlion]] | [[Infernal Engine]] | [[Leechgrave]] | [[Crimson Prankster]] | [[Ruler of the Sky]]</small> | |||
|- | |||
| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Dark Hide]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts Re:coded|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts Re:coded</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Darkside]] | [[Guard Armor]] | [[Trickmaster]] | [[Behemoth]] | [[Sora's Heartless]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]</small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small><span style="color:#4B0082">'''''[[Kingdom Hearts χ|<span style="color:#4B0082">Kingdom Hearts χ</span>]]'''''</span></small> | |||
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| align="center" style="text-align:center;vertical-align:top;font-size:smaller;"> | <small>[[Behemoth]] ([[Behemoth Ω|Ω]]) | [[Black Costume]] | [[Carp Submarine]] | [[Circus Fortress]] | [[Cruel Sweets]] | [[Darkside]] ([[Darkside Ω|Ω]]) | [[Egg Master]] | [[Fortress Crab]] ([[Fortress Crab Subspecies|Subspecies]]) | [[Guard Armor]] ([[Guard Armor Ω|Ω]]) | [[Hocus Pocus]] | [[Jack-in-the-box]] | [[Lion Dance Headliner]] | [[Malicious Reindeer]] | [[Noisy Wardrobe]] | [[Possessor Herd]] | [[Purple Gummi Hound]] | [[Queen Bee]] ([[Queen Bee Ω|Ω]]) | [[Savage Spider]] | [[Trickmaster]] ([[Trickmaster Ω|Ω]]) | [[Trident Tail]] ([[Trident Tail Ω|Ω]], [[Blue Trident Tail|Blue]], [[Green Trident Tail|Green]], [[Red Trident Tail|Red]]) | [[Venomous Spider]] | [[White Returner]] | [[Wily Bandit]] | [[Wretched Witch]]</small> | |||
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== Unchained == | |||
Which missions have ? target enemies the first time around? (sidenote -- these are not skippable EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE CUTSCENES ex. 217){{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:59, 28 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
*4: Large Body -- tutorial change | |||
*8: Large Armor | |||
- notes don't make sense here, 8 s/b large body, will have to restart | |||
// | |||
*24: Trickmaster | |||
*34: Red Bandit | |||
*47: Red Copter Fleet | |||
*54: Morning Star | |||
*66: Behemoth | |||
*76: Blue Copter Fleet | |||
*96: Yellow Copter Fleet | |||
*102: Savage Spider (not in notes???) | |||
*120: Wyvern | |||
*130: Ogre | |||
*160: Iron Giant | |||
*183: Wicked Spider | |||
*200: Queen Bee | |||
*217: Gargoyle | |||
*230: Trickmaster O | |||
*250: Black Copter Fleet | |||
*275: Fortress Crab | |||
*??? | |||
*665: Blitz Spear | |||
*670: Chill Ripper | |||
*674: Heat Saber | |||
*675: Master Aced | |||
*??? | |||
*???: Pot Centipede(?) -- didn't take screenshot | |||
*780: Eliminator | |||
*789: Jafar <snake> | |||
*790: Jafar <genie> | |||
*805: Maleficent's Goons | |||
*810: Apricot Opera | |||
*815: Dragon Maleficent | |||
;Cross quests: | |||
*Ribbitoad | |||
*Swaying Spook | |||
*Hocus Pocus | |||
*Ferry Reaper | |||
none in 676-685 | |||
:They use that for every boss-type quest, but I'm not sure if they start doing that at a certain quest, or if they changed that for all boss-type quests in a certain update. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC) | |||
::The change in quest 4 was listed in the update: "Improved the tutorial story quests (1-6)." {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:35, 6 November 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Smasher and Amber == | |||
While the objects are listed in the "other" section since they're originally characters, as enemies they're being piloted by Heartless, aren't they? Wouldn't we treat them like the Gargoyles and Possessor bits?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:42, 15 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:Because they are living beings possessed, not objects. Buzz too is possessed by a Marionette, but he is not considered an Heartless--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.185|93.150.192.185]] 00:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::Except that we do consider possessed people heartless elsewhere, plus these have the emblem.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:07, 16 February 2019 (UTC) | |||