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it's like you guys ignore reasoning whenever it suits you. i don't think you even know what policy means. Either, way i suggest you make an official policy, not a guideline to usage (which didn't help) or forum conversations that are taken as policy. I mean literally, make a page dedicated for Rules on here. Not scatter them. At the moment, we're off topic, but for a good cause, and it seems you guys want it to be "no" because it's coming from me[[User:Bijinder 00|Bijinder 00]] 03:59, December 9, 2010 (UTC) | it's like you guys ignore reasoning whenever it suits you. i don't think you even know what policy means. Either, way i suggest you make an official policy, not a guideline to usage (which didn't help) or forum conversations that are taken as policy. I mean literally, make a page dedicated for Rules on here. Not scatter them. At the moment, we're off topic, but for a good cause, and it seems you guys want it to be "no" because it's coming from me[[User:Bijinder 00|Bijinder 00]] 03:59, December 9, 2010 (UTC) | ||
{{LA|Vangry=<s>We've only been LINKING you to the rules for about three days now. It's called the [[ | {{LA|Vangry=<s>We've only been LINKING you to the rules for about three days now. It's called the [[KHWiki:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. ALL OF OUR POLICIES ON EDITING GO THERE. If it ''isn't'' there, it probably hasn't been updated yet. | ||
You're a new user, for cripes sake. You have been on this wiki for less than a month. THIS IS THE WAY WE RUN THINGS HERE, KSWEETDEAL? We know what a ''policy'' is here better than you. You are not in a position to lecture us about the way we work. If you ''don't'' like the way we work, you were doing the right thing; discussing the rules and considering revision. But what ''you're'' doing has gone too far. The only reason we're still saying "no" to you is because WE HAVE ALREADY MADE UP OUR MIND. Stop being a such stubborn kid and accept that you are wrong. If you had done that TWO DAYS AGO, Lapis would still be here. Way to go. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ''LISTEN'' TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. The people you have been talking to are professionals on this matter, no doubt. Right now, you are being disruptive. Please DROP THIS, and don</s> | You're a new user, for cripes sake. You have been on this wiki for less than a month. THIS IS THE WAY WE RUN THINGS HERE, KSWEETDEAL? We know what a ''policy'' is here better than you. You are not in a position to lecture us about the way we work. If you ''don't'' like the way we work, you were doing the right thing; discussing the rules and considering revision. But what ''you're'' doing has gone too far. The only reason we're still saying "no" to you is because WE HAVE ALREADY MADE UP OUR MIND. Stop being a such stubborn kid and accept that you are wrong. If you had done that TWO DAYS AGO, Lapis would still be here. Way to go. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE ''LISTEN'' TO WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. The people you have been talking to are professionals on this matter, no doubt. Right now, you are being disruptive. Please DROP THIS, and don</s> | ||
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{{ST|text=whatever it is you're rambling about now, the bottom line is that the piece of trivia is not being added. Depending on the technicality it is no way true, and even if it was it is completely irrelevant and is in no way significant. This conversation is over, you lose, move on with your life}} | {{ST|text=whatever it is you're rambling about now, the bottom line is that the piece of trivia is not being added. Depending on the technicality it is no way true, and even if it was it is completely irrelevant and is in no way significant. This conversation is over, you lose, move on with your life}} | ||
{{ErryTalk|time=04:12, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|eziotext=Do you want a <big>'''POLICY?'''</big> Go [[ | {{ErryTalk|time=04:12, December 9, 2010 (UTC)|eziotext=Do you want a <big>'''POLICY?'''</big> Go [[KHWiki:Manual of Style|here]] for one, and in that page it explicitly says:<br> | ||
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:::Didn't he promise to Aqua to protect Riku if he ever fell to the darkness in BBS? I thought that's why he got the Keyblade, which was meant for Riku. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | :::Didn't he promise to Aqua to protect Riku if he ever fell to the darkness in BBS? I thought that's why he got the Keyblade, which was meant for Riku. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
He wasn't ''supposed'' to be a wielder, since he didn't get a bequeathing ceremony, but he was capable of wielding. I'm not sure if there was a quote saying Ventus is the reason Sora can wield at all, rather than just the reason he can dual wield. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | He wasn't ''supposed'' to be a wielder, since he didn't get a bequeathing ceremony, but he was capable of wielding. I'm not sure if there was a quote saying Ventus is the reason Sora can wield at all, rather than just the reason he can dual wield. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 17:51, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
:My understanding is that Sora can wield the Keyblade because of his strong heart, and being right there when Riku was taken by the darkness during the destruction of Destiny Islands. As I recall, that was in an interview, though I cannot remember when or where it is. I will see if I can find it. However, the quote I did put in the article (hidden because I am still not sure if it's from an Ultimania, though it's widely accepted as a page from the Birth by Sleep Ultimania) seems to imply that no, Ventus has nothing to do with Sora's ability to wield the Keyblade at all. In fact, I recall a separate interview in which Nomura specifically said that (I remember because after reading the interview, I was even more lost about how the Keyblade chooses its wielders). I will look for both these interviews, see if they exist and such. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 18:19, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::We already had a discussion about this [http://www.khwiki.com/Talk:Keyblade_Inheritance_Ceremony#Ven_is_not_the_reason_Sora_can_use_the_keyblade. here]. The conclusion was that we know how Sora got the Keyblade but not why he was able too wield it, it may have something to do with Ventus' heart or it may not. The concept of the Keyblade works has changed greatly in KHII and also in BBS, so it's probably all speculation at this point. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}}18:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Variations == | |||
Should Roxas and his offshoots be added?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:13, 15 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Roxas, yes. Offshoots? I'd say no, personally. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:22, 16 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Order of Events == | |||
Wasn't Vanitas simutaneously fighting Aqua in the real world and Ventus at his Dive and the X-blade reverting to its incomplete form a result of Ventus destroying it and Vanitas in his Dive?[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 04:58, 12 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:I am unsure what you are even asking. What do you want the page to say?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:09, 15 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
Actually, should we say Ventus's metaphysical battle happened when the X-Blade was damaged by Aqua? That would make more sense because if the X-Blade was damaged in the real world, it should appear as damaged during the metaphysical battle as well and that battle happened as Vanitas's attempt to repair it. I want to put that information on Vanitas's page but want to wait for input first.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 18:03, 24 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:That's an assumption. We have no reason to believe that it would appear the same in both instances, and the reports themselves imply that it would ''always'' appear damaged until Ventus accepted the fusion.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:13, 24 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
:The χ-blade was complete in the real world because the fusion was complete on the outside, meaning their bodies had fused properly, whereas the χ-blade was incomplete in the Dive to the Heart because the fusion was ''incomplete'' on the inside, meaning either their hearts, minds, or souls ''hadn't'' fused properly. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC) | |||
== "Different chin" == | |||
https://www.khwiki.com/index.php?title=Ventus&curid=7868&diff=728112&oldid=726040 | |||
I'm not seeing it, at all. Can anyone provide a comparison of the images, or, if possible, the models? {{ping|iZerox}}.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 17:33, 8 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
== Daybreak Town == | |||
Is it safe to add a link to [[Daybreak Town]] in Ventus' infobox or should we wait on that? --[[User:Doggieboy9|Doggieboy9]] ([[User talk:Doggieboy9|talk]]) 19:11, 29 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
:It may be best to hold off on it. There's something definitely off about the whole game's timeline, so we should probably wait until that's a little more sorted out. 'Tis my opinion. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:15, 29 August 2017 (UTC) | |||
Two years and a KH3 later, dontcha think it'd be safe to add Daybreak Town into Ven's profile? [[User:BuddyFaith|BuddyFaith]] ([[User talk:BuddyFaith|talk]]) 05:29, 6 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Original world == | |||
"As a boy, I dreamed of seeing the farthest reaches of the World. If I only went far enough, there had to be a world out there in which no one had ever before set foot. And now I know of just such a world. If I become the first to open Kingdom Hearts' door, I can create a Next World in which light and darkness exist in perfect equilibrium. So there I stood, with vast knowledge in one gnarled, dying hand, and newfound purpose in the other. The next step was clear: I needed a new vessel. And that was when I met Ventus and made him my pupil." | |||
It's indicated that Xehanort found Ventus on some world where no one had ever before set foot.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:39, 20 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
:It sounds to me like the Next World is the world no one had ever set foot before, and he needed Ventus to get there. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:42, 20 May 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Child of Destiny == | |||
''Much more unknown to him, Ventus was also destined to carry darkness as written in the Book of Prophecies as the "Destined Child". That the entity used him to separate itself from the hive mind of darkness allowing the being to think for itself. | |||
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Bad sentence structure aside, isn't this purely speculation? I know some people who theorize the Child of Destiny is Riku. I thought it wasn't confirmed yet. --[[File:Riku Sprite KHD.png]] [[User:Mikoto|mikoto]] 07:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||
:That edit was written before ''Dark Road'' came out – I think it's trying to explain how Darkness learned Ventus is destined to hold darkness within him, and then used him accordingly in the age of ''Union χ''. That said, I agree that it should be rewritten, though it is worth mentioning in a different section that Xehanort told Eraqus that Ventus was the "Child of Destiny". —[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 16:20, 12 February 2023 (UTC) | |||