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[[File: | [[File:Ansem, Seeker of Darkness KH.png|thumb|right|150px|[[Xehanort's Heartless]]]] | ||
Xehanort's Nobody took the concept of his original name being an anagram with an X in it and applied it to the name he stole, Ansem. Thus he was called [[Xemnas]] who created The Organization, later called [[Organization XIII]], with the other apprentices at its core. Like Xemnas, all the other members rearranged their names and put an X in them in order create a new identity for themselves. They sought to become complete beings again and be whole. Meanwhile, [[Xehanort's Heartless]], still calling himself "Ansem", remained a spirit seeking to plunge all that is in darkness. Both portions of Xehanort sought Kingdom Hearts in order to wield the power it possesses and unleash it into the universe. | Xehanort's Nobody took the concept of his original name being an anagram with an X in it and applied it to the name he stole, Ansem. Thus he was called [[Xemnas]] who created The Organization, later called [[Organization XIII]], with the other apprentices at its core. Like Xemnas, all the other members rearranged their names and put an X in them in order create a new identity for themselves. They sought to become complete beings again and be whole. Meanwhile, [[Xehanort's Heartless]], still calling himself "Ansem", remained a spirit seeking to plunge all that is in darkness. Both portions of Xehanort sought Kingdom Hearts in order to wield the power it possesses and unleash it into the universe. | ||
Xehanort's Heartless' plans were to control other beings and use them to collect the [[Princesses of Heart]] and use them to open up the portal to [[ | Xehanort's Heartless' plans were to control other beings and use them to collect the [[Princesses of Heart]] and use them to open up the portal to [[Kingdom Hearts]]. To this end, he commanded the Heartless to manipulate the darkness within the Disney villains to serve their needs. Maleficent, being manipulated by the Heartless, led this group of villains to control the darkness by using the heartless and collecting the princesses to open the path to Kingdom Hearts through an artificial keyhole. This group used Hollow Bastion as a base of operations and used Ansem's reports to help them control the heartless and the darkness. | ||
None of them knew, however, that they were being used by a far greater evil that was residing in the shadows, waiting for the opportune moment to claim Kingdom Hearts for himself. At the same time, Xehanort's heartless would use the Heartless to destroy entire worlds and collect the world hearts to form the dimension of Kingdom Hearts itself. He also searched for a host to take control of so that he may regain a physical presence. His choice for a host would later turn out to be [[Riku]]. | None of them knew, however, that they were being used by a far greater evil that was residing in the shadows, waiting for the opportune moment to claim Kingdom Hearts for himself. At the same time, Xehanort's heartless would use the Heartless to destroy entire worlds and collect the world hearts to form the dimension of Kingdom Hearts itself. He also searched for a host to take control of so that he may regain a physical presence. His choice for a host would later turn out to be [[Riku]]. | ||
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Exploiting Riku's jealous friendship with Sora, Xehanort's heartless nearly shattered their friendship and took possession of Riku's body, sending his heart to the dark realm. Unfortunately for him, the goal he sought for throughout his whole life, Kingdom Hearts, ended up destroying him with its light, giving Riku back his body. Kingdom Hearts was soon sealed away by Sora and King Mickey, which destroyed billions of heartless and the [[End of the World]] as well as restoring all the worlds taken by Xehanort and the Heartless. (Xehanort's Heartless would still live on in Riku, causing some of the events of ''[[Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]'' and ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]'') | Exploiting Riku's jealous friendship with Sora, Xehanort's heartless nearly shattered their friendship and took possession of Riku's body, sending his heart to the dark realm. Unfortunately for him, the goal he sought for throughout his whole life, Kingdom Hearts, ended up destroying him with its light, giving Riku back his body. Kingdom Hearts was soon sealed away by Sora and King Mickey, which destroyed billions of heartless and the [[End of the World]] as well as restoring all the worlds taken by Xehanort and the Heartless. (Xehanort's Heartless would still live on in Riku, causing some of the events of ''[[Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories]]'' and ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]'') | ||
[[ | [[File:Xemnas KHII.png|thumb|left|150px|[[Xemnas]], Xehanort's Nobody.]] | ||
Meanwhile, Xemnas, the Nobody of Xehanort, sought to find Kingdom Hearts by collecting human hearts. His goal was to use Kingdom Hearts to make himself a kingdom, where he would be the ruler forever. Leading Organization XIII ([[Xigbar]], [[Xaldin]], [[Vexen]], [[Lexaeus]], [[Zexion]], [[Saïx]], [[Axel]], [[Demyx]], [[Luxord]], [[Marluxia]], [[Larxene]], [[Roxas]], and [[Xion]]), Xemnas controlled all Nobodies and constructed a fortress that would serve as a base of operations: The [[Castle that Never Was]]. Organization XIII recruited other powerful Nobodies in their plans to find Kingdom Hearts and use its power to become complete beings again. Xemnas eventually found a fortress known as [[Castle Oblivion]] and converted it into a base of experiments where the nature of memory would be experimented on. | Meanwhile, Xemnas, the Nobody of Xehanort, sought to find Kingdom Hearts by collecting human hearts. His goal was to use Kingdom Hearts to make himself a kingdom, where he would be the ruler forever. Leading Organization XIII ([[Xigbar]], [[Xaldin]], [[Vexen]], [[Lexaeus]], [[Zexion]], [[Saïx]], [[Axel]], [[Demyx]], [[Luxord]], [[Marluxia]], [[Larxene]], [[Roxas]], and [[Xion]]), Xemnas controlled all Nobodies and constructed a fortress that would serve as a base of operations: The [[Castle that Never Was]]. Organization XIII recruited other powerful Nobodies in their plans to find Kingdom Hearts and use its power to become complete beings again. Xemnas eventually found a fortress known as [[Castle Oblivion]] and converted it into a base of experiments where the nature of memory would be experimented on. | ||
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== Xehanort render and stats == | == Xehanort render and stats == | ||
[[ | [[File:Terra-Xehanort KHBBS.png|250px]] Enjoy :D [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 18:19, April 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
Kyaa! Cool!-- | Kyaa! Cool!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 18:20, April 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Of interest: the name used is "Terra-Xehanort".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC) | :Of interest: the name used is "Terra-Xehanort".[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 22:24, April 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Sac|text=Is he really the main antagonist? In fact he plays a minor role. It are mostly his nobody and heartless that have a big role so he is indirectly the main antagonist. He only plays a large role in BBS.}} | {{Sac|text=Is he really the main antagonist? In fact he plays a minor role. It are mostly his nobody and heartless that have a big role so he is indirectly the main antagonist. He only plays a large role in BBS.}} | ||
It is because of his actions that nearly every bad thing in the KH universe has happened. --Evnyofdeath 20:46, October 16, 2010 (UTC) | It is because of his actions that nearly every bad thing in the KH universe has happened. --Evnyofdeath 20:46, October 16, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:Not exactly. BBS reveals that it was all MASTER Xehanort's doing. He started it off. It was because of ''Master Xehanort'' that Xehanort was created, Organization XIII was created, Maleficent's Disney Villain council was created, and even how Sora came to wield the Keyblade (he split Ventus' heart in two, which led to it merging with Sora's). I don't think Tetsuya Nomura ever said that THIS incarnation of Xehanort is the main villain of the Xehanort Saga, and since Master Xehanort is the original, true and purest form of Xehanort, I think ''he'' is the main villain. Xehanort is a form Master Xehanort took when possessing Terra, and he's gone. Master Xehanort is back, not Xehanort, so I think it's best to say Xehanort is Terra possessed by Master Xehanort, and Master Xehanort is the main antagonist of the XS. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 19:57, December 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
The current incarnation of Xehanort is actually a person.When Xehanort possessed Terra it caused Terra and Xehanort's personalities to merge creating a new entity now known as simply Xehanort.Two beings who merged to form something new.Since this Xehanort is a different person we and he is the one who caused much termoil after BBS he is the main antagonist.This Xehanort is different and has actions do not involve Master Xehanort.--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 02:22, January 20, 2011 (UTC) | |||
==''KH3D'' vs. ''KHII'' and Others== | |||
{{EO|time=22:55, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|shocked=So based on the image below, Xehanort used Master Xehanort's Keyblade at some point to unlock Braig's heart. It is obvious Even and Ienzo suffered this fate as well since they are seen collapsed on the ground, and Braig asks if Xehanort's memories have returned (memories of wielding the Keyblade and unlocking hearts as Master Xehanort, most likely). | |||
How do we update/change this article now that ''KH3D'' is beginning to contradict what was established as canon in the earlier games? | |||
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File:My Name is Ansem 02 KH3D.png|Braig's heart is unlocked by Xehanort. | |||
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The other apprentices' articles have been updated accordingly with this new information (though we should probably revert it since, aside from Braig, as well as Even and Ienzo to some extent, the other apprentices' fates are speculation), but Xehanort is a little more difficult. Ideas/aid from the community is appreciated.}} | |||
*What's the contradiction? | |||
*The only one we're sure Xehanort stabbed was Braig, right? (What is it Braig said to him again?) --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 23:01, 22 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
{{EO|time=23:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)|text=The contradiction is that everything we said on here previously is that the apprentices lost their hearts during their repeated experiments; it is never specified how, though this ''does'' give us a time period as to when Xehanort does this to Braig. | |||
What you say is true, Braig is the only one actually ''seen'' stabbed... But Ienzo and Even aren't just taking a nap. What Braig supposedly says to Xehanort and the scene in general can be seen with English subtitles [http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t7MlY7syKfg here]. | |||
EDIT (23:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC): See the following image: | |||
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File:My Name is Ansem 01 KH3D.png|Even and Ienzo in the TGS trailer after their hearts are unlocked by Xehanort. | |||
</gallery> | |||
If you look closely at the image, you see ripples of darkness flowing off them, and if you watch the trailer, you notice it in greater detail, as well as the fact that they are both fading. It's pretty obvious that Xehanort did this to them, as well as Braig. | |||
EDIT: (23:18, 22 September 2011 (UTC): This image below shows what Braig states to Xehanort (either that or it's Yen Sid's narration; I can't understand an inkling of Japanese): | |||
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File:My Name is Ansem 03 KH3D.png|Xehanort summons Master Xehanort's Keyblade before Braig. | |||
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}} | |||
You don't know that what happened here wasn't caused by the disastrous results of one of their experiments. Did something happen that caused Even and Ienzo to be overcome by darkness and Xehanort to remember how to summon his Keyblade and to go berserk? Even and Ienzo are halfway across the room from him, and I doubt he summoned the Keyblade, stabbed them, dismissed the Keyblade, dashed across the room, summoned it again, and then rushed Braig and stabbed ''him''. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 23:30, 22 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:'''''How in the blistering hell do you know this scene isn't from the <big>present</big> time?''''' What part of "responsible editing" doesn't make sense?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:47, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::For all the bitching about how this possibly breaks canon, it doesn't. There's the possibility that the Reports aren't entirely factual. [[User:Hexedmagica|Hexed]] 02:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
Oh my God, Kryten. It's common sense that this scene is from the past. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 07:51, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
::How about the last sentence in the [http://sqex.wordpress.com/2011/09/21/kh3d-famitsu-details/ summarized interview with Nomura] regarding the story in the last Famitsu? '''"The opening of this title will be in Xehanort’s point of view. Additionally, there will be a surprise unlike anything seen before in the last scene."''' I've got the feeling that this "surprise" is very important and any speculation at this point could be contradictory or just plain false. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 09:04, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Erry: For all we know, Xehanort's come back and immediately decides he wants them all to be Nobodies again. ''We don't know what the context of this scene is''. It's...''acceptable''...to post what we can intuit in the "other appearances" section, but once you guys start building speculation based on contextless trailer scenes into the material that we are claiming is confirmed and canon...you're going off the gotdamn deep end.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:05, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
#Ienzo is a kid in this picture. | |||
#IT DOESN'T MATTER. WE'RE NOT GUESSING. ALL WE KNOW IS THAT THIS (PROBABLY) HAPPENED AT SOME POINT. More likely than not it was back when they lost their hearts, because of what's going on in the scene and what Braig is saying, BUT STILL. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 14:44, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
Again, common sense. Why he would come back when NONE OF THEM are even shown to be back? Only one confirmed to be back is Xehanort, thus it is common sense that this was in the past. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 15:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:BUT STILL. This will undoubtedly turn out to have some complication, so let's keep that in mind and not take this at face value. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 15:49, 23 September 2011 (UTC) | |||