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***DARK ROAD SPOILERS AHEAD*** | ***DARK ROAD SPOILERS AHEAD*** | ||
The ending of ''Union χ'' makes it | The ending of ''Union χ'' makes it very clear that '''Player's heart melds with that of Xehanort'''. A quick recap of the evidence: | ||
*Chirithy says they will join with a "brand new heart", and proceeds to show a vision of baby Xehanort | *Chirithy says they will join with a "brand new heart", and proceeds to show a vision of baby Xehanort (the caretaker is elderly – not exactly the kind to be harboring anything "brand new") | ||
*The vision of Xehanort follows his growth up to Scala ad Caelum, long past his caretaker's death | *The vision of Xehanort follows his growth up to Scala ad Caelum, long past his caretaker's death (their potential new life is with Xehanort, not the guy who died two scenes ago) | ||
*In ''Dark Road'', Xehanort has flashbacks to Player's life in the form of dreams | *In ''Dark Road'', Xehanort has flashbacks to Player's life in the form of dreams, even after the caretaker passes | ||
The ending of ''Dark Road'' insinuates that | The ending of ''Dark Road'' insinuates that '''Player had a second life as Xehanort's caretaker'''. The evidence: | ||
*Xehanort lists all of the ''Union χ'' cast and notes that Player reminds him of his caretaker | *Xehanort lists all of the ''Union χ'' cast and notes that Player reminds him of his caretaker | ||
*The caretaker lived their first life in Daybreak Town and knew everyone Xehanort mentioned | *The caretaker lived their first life in Daybreak Town and knew everyone Xehanort mentioned | ||
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*They state that Ephemer was a dear friend, and the scene cuts to Ephemer reaching out his hand to Player | *They state that Ephemer was a dear friend, and the scene cuts to Ephemer reaching out his hand to Player | ||
How can they be in two places at once? Well, | How can they be in two places at once? Well, let's not forget that Brain is also in two places at once, both a vessel for Luxu and awake in "An Unfamiliar Town" with Sigurd. Somehow (probably something to do with the data copies of the Dandelions, proven possible with Luxu's "true Dandelion" Strelitzia, but that's just speculation), both Player and Brain have a second life in Old Scala, which will likely be expanded upon in ''Missing-Link''. | ||
'''Conclusion / tl;dr | We should not ignore the evidence from ''Union χ'' that clearly points to Player's heart joining with Xehanort's. This doesn't mean we shouldn't add the ''Dark Road'' stuff as well, but until more information is revealed, I vote that we cover both of Player's fates. | ||
'''Conclusion / tl;dr: Player's heart melds with newborn Xehanort. That hasn't changed. In addition, it seems that Player somehow lived a second life, growing up to become Xehanort's caretaker.''' | |||
[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 21:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC) | [[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 21:18, 28 August 2022 (UTC) | ||
:I acquiesce. We have explicit confirmation from Nomura that the blue robed figure "bears the heart of the Player from UX". And this is backed up his non-confirmation at the 20th anniversary interview: "Q. At the end of UX, the Player's heart melts into Xehanort's heart? A. You'll understand when you see the end of Dark Road." So, this means that the UX finale was intentionally misleading (you can't convince me that we were meant to interpret "join with a brand new heart" as the geriatric robed figure instead of the literal newborn; even when watching that scene in retrospect it's a pretty big leap). I guess we can hand-wave that, because Xehanort's heard connected with his caretaker's, Player could still see a vision of his life after the caretaker's passing – but overall, this just doesn't sit right. Oh well. [[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 00:16, 30 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
== Male Player is canon == | |||
Dark Road ending depicts M Player with Ephemer in the flashback. IDK how much of connectivity DR has with UX where it reads your UX data or not to determined that cutscene. But based on the cutscene, M Player is the canon appearances of the character in the series, despite appearances of F Player in the game and I'm going by Fire Emblem logic with how both M/F Robin existing, but M Robin is the canon gender. So because of that, I'm suggesting Player should be using male pronouns in any articles regarding him. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:On the other hand, the DR ending goes conspicuously out of its way to avoid gendering Player – Xehanort describes every UX character as a "boy" or "girl", but describes Player as "another one" in the group. That, plus the fact that Xehanort's caretaker's face is always concealed in their blue robes, makes me believe that Player is still meant to be treated ambiguously. [[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 18:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
::Nomura said in the post-game interview that some scenes with the player could be misinterpreted and are subject to change in the announced 5.0.1 version. So this scene could very well be wrong in its current stage. I'd suggest to wait for this fix before declaring the male player canon since Aid1043 correctly pointed out how they tried to keep it vague in the past. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 18:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC) | |||
:::So, the update has been released, and all scenes with the Player have been changed to avoid showing them, or only showing an arm or something. Meaning Player's gender is once again ambiguous. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 07:34, 30 September 2022 (UTC) | |||