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Shall we had new info on the Organization that was revealed in the Final Mix version.[[User:DarkLordofChaos90|DarkLordofChaos90]] | Shall we had new info on the Organization that was revealed in the Final Mix version.[[User:DarkLordofChaos90|DarkLordofChaos90]] | ||
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If you guys have noticed whenever in Kingdom Hearts 2 you kill a nobody enemy they disappear in a flash of light, but all of the Organization XIII members disappear into darkness so maybe they still are alive.[[User:The Luna Diviner|The Luna Diviner]] 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC) | If you guys have noticed whenever in Kingdom Hearts 2 you kill a nobody enemy they disappear in a flash of light, but all of the Organization XIII members disappear into darkness so maybe they still are alive.[[User:The Luna Diviner|The Luna Diviner]] 03:42, 6 July 2009 (UTC) | ||
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{{KrytenKoro|Because that's not their proper name. They look and are used nothing like kunai. | {{KrytenKoro|Because that's not their proper name. They look and are used nothing like kunai. | ||
Nomura has officially named them knives, and they look and act like | Nomura has officially named them knives, and they look and act like {{w|Stiletto knives}}. There's absolutely no reason to call them kunai, and we have official word that they're knives.}} | ||
{{Xiggie|text=The only chance we'll change it is that is anything else is stated in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days}} | {{Xiggie|text=The only chance we'll change it is that is anything else is stated in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days}} | ||
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|text=Just hypothesising, but what do we reckon the corresponding Job Classes are for those not yet known? The ones in italics are my personal theories: | |text=Just hypothesising, but what do we reckon the corresponding Job Classes are for those not yet known? The ones in italics are my personal theories: | ||
*Xemnas -- | *Xemnas -- {{w|Jedi|<font color="white">'''Jedi'''</font>}}, judging by his weapon (I'm kidding :P) | ||
*Xigbar -- | *Xigbar -- {{ff|Gunner}} or {{ff|Sniper}} | ||
*Xaldin -- | *Xaldin -- {{ff|Dragoon}} | ||
*Vexen -- | *Vexen -- {{ff|Alchemist}}? | ||
*Lexaeus -- | *Lexaeus -- {{ff|Warrior}}? | ||
*Zexion -- | *Zexion -- {{ff|Blue Mage}} | ||
*Saïx -- | *Saïx -- {{ff|Berserker (job)|Berserker}} | ||
*Axel -- | *Axel -- {{ff|Assassin}} | ||
*Demyx -- | *Demyx -- {{ff|Bard}} | ||
*Luxord -- | *Luxord -- {{ff|Gambler}} (and, to a certain extent, {{ff|Time Mage}}) | ||
*Marluxia -- ??? | *Marluxia -- ??? | ||
*Larxene -- | *Larxene -- {{ff|Ninja}}? | ||
*Roxas -- | *Roxas -- {{ff|Samurai}} | ||
*Xion -- ??? | *Xion -- ??? | ||
I presume that the corresponding lesser Nobodies will usually have the same name as the job class, since this is the case so far apart from Dancers (and possibly Sorcerers, depending on what Xemnas is classed as) | I presume that the corresponding lesser Nobodies will usually have the same name as the job class, since this is the case so far apart from Dancers (and possibly Sorcerers, depending on what Xemnas is classed as) | ||
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Heres another thing that i noticed and i didnt see it in the info on them but everyone in the organization Has the letter X in there name kinda strange--[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 23:59, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | Heres another thing that i noticed and i didnt see it in the info on them but everyone in the organization Has the letter X in there name kinda strange--[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 23:59, November 8, 2009 (UTC) | ||
No, it's not. They have an "X" in their name to remind themselves that they are Nobodies. Everyone knows that.-- | No, it's not. They have an "X" in their name to remind themselves that they are Nobodies. Everyone knows that.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:01, November 9, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Then why dosen't Namine have an X in her name she a nobody smart one --[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 03:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC) | Then why dosen't Namine have an X in her name she a nobody smart one --[[User:Ace mace60|Ace mace60]] 03:33, November 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
Probably because the Organization didn't know that she was Kairi's Nobody at the time. Or maybe it's because Namine is a specail Nobody.-- | Probably because the Organization didn't know that she was Kairi's Nobody at the time. Or maybe it's because Namine is a specail Nobody.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:37, November 11, 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{KKD|time=02:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|riku=I just realized something. This may be a reference or easter egg, but the newest final fantasy game is called Final Fantasy: Versus XIII! Easter egg or reference to the plot?}} | {{KKD|time=02:11, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|riku=I just realized something. This may be a reference or easter egg, but the newest final fantasy game is called Final Fantasy: Versus XIII! Easter egg or reference to the plot?}} | ||
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==New info in latest interview (BbS spoilers)== | ==New info in latest interview (BbS spoilers)== | ||
-- There was a new type of keyblade that appeared this time, changing the “key” in keyblade to “X” (The X of the Greek alphabet, pronounced “key”. It also has the meaning of “ultimate” or “death”.) | -- There was a new type of keyblade that appeared this time, changing the “key” in keyblade to “X” (The X of the Greek alphabet, pronounced “key”. It also has the meaning of “ultimate” or “death”.) It's quite an excellent name. | ||
Nomura: The name “X-Blade” was Watanabe (Daisuke), the scenario | Nomura: The name “X-Blade” was Watanabe (Daisuke), the scenario writer's, idea. How the symbol X 'crosses' is symbolic of the crossing of dark and light. The members of Organization XIII get their names by adding an X to the name they had as humans comes from this. Also, the Nobody's mark looks a lot like Eraqus' symbol, but you can probably figure out that the reason this is has something to do with Xemnas. from [http://forums.khinsider.com/spoilers/145648-new-interview-rebirth-wings-need-translation-4.html#post4873236 KHInsider] [[User:Xoaks|Xoaks]] 04:06, February 19, 2010 (UTC) | ||
== dark portal? == | == dark portal? == | ||
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I don't think that's right. I don't know the exact reason for the X in their names, but I know it's not because of "Xemnas's memories of the X-Blade." [[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 14:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC) | I don't think that's right. I don't know the exact reason for the X in their names, but I know it's not because of "Xemnas's memories of the X-Blade." [[User:Keyblade474|Keyblade474]] 14:59, April 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
:According to what I know of the the BBS Ultimania (probably misspelled that), it confirms it is because of Xemnas's memories. If someone could fact check that for me, that'd be great.--[[User:Otherarrow|Otherarrow]] 16:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC) | :According to what I know of the the BBS Ultimania (probably misspelled that), it confirms it is because of Xemnas's memories. If someone could fact check that for me, that'd be great.--[[User:Otherarrow|Otherarrow]] 16:28, April 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
You are correct: "One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as five other apprentices toss aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as a human. But as Xemnas had two people who he was, Terra and Master Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories...Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master | You are correct: "One year after BbS, Xehanort as well as five other apprentices toss aside their hearts. Then the Nobody Xemnas was born, and the Organization which he creates take a lot of things from his memories as a human. But as Xemnas had two people who he was, Terra and Master Xehanort, he takes from both of their memories...Xemnas gives Organization members names with an X in them. This has something to do with Master Xehanort's interest in the X-Blade." --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 17:43, April 2, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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{{Pea14733|time=10:52, July 9, 2010 (UTC)|text= Their original names are unknown at this time.}} | {{Pea14733|time=10:52, July 9, 2010 (UTC)|text= Their original names are unknown at this time.}} | ||
{['''The origonal names of numbers 9-12 (deymx, luxord, marluxia, and larxene) are never told in the story but you can have fun guessing at what they could be. | |||
Abbey :D''']} | |||
== Something I noticed. == | == Something I noticed. == | ||
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Sacrifice oneself indeed requires strenght. | Sacrifice oneself indeed requires strenght. | ||
EDIT: Please, sing your post with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} | EDIT: Please, sing your post with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>}} | ||
== Organization XIII in Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep? == | |||
{{Organization 13|inquisitive=Why is the Birth by Sleep heart on the top left of the page?}} | |||
the first 7 nobodies somebodies are in it and it tell more about them.--[[User:ZACH|ZACH]] 17:45, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Ya but the Sombodies arent in Organization XIII yet. {{User:Organization 13/Sig}} 19:03, July 14, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== More Members? == | |||
{{RN867|time3:23am|ven= this just kinda hit me but isnt it possible for the organization XIII to reform even though there members have all been killed? cause the members were just powerful nobodies and there's a high chance that more powerful nobodies could be formed..... right?}} | |||
If new powerful nobodies did join together, they probably would not REFORM Org. 13 because they would have no original members; they would just be an completely new group. | |||
== THIS OS GOING TO KILL ME!!! == | |||
'''Ok on the ranking list it has Zexion as number VI (6) and Siax as VII (7) Zexion is suppost to be number 7 and siax is number 6 i would change this but every time i hit the backspace it goes bake a page. Could soeone please change this for me before i go insane! Thanks''' | |||
{{Pea14733|time=04:39, December 30, 2010 (UTC)|text= What are you saying? Zexion is number VI and Saix is number VII. As shown in Days and KH2.}} | |||
{{Maggosh|nathan=Not to mention CoM and ReCoM.}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=05:01, December 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=And the fact that the [[Book of Retribution]] incorporates Zexion's rank into its design.}} | |||
(I'm sensing a pattern here... --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 05:07, December 30, 2010 (UTC)) | |||
== KH3D Original Bodies == | |||
{{AvatarMaster13|time="Something wrong? Raaaaaather..."|rabbit=In the long version of the KH3D trailer, it shows grown up versions of some of the Organization members. Does this mean that they somehow got their original bodies back even thought Sora defeated them? Or is it some kind of flash back to before the game happened? (I know that there is not that much information available about this game yet, but I was just wondering.)}} | |||
{{Maggosh|nathan=The likely conclusion was their respective Heartless had been slain prior to their own Nobody's defeats. Doing so in that order brings about their reappearance.}} | |||
== Separate Page == | |||
Should we create a new page for the Organization XIII composed of Master Xehanort's incarnations, or should we add it here? --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 23:50, 7 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
:I'm not sure. Honestly, it might be better to make a second page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:06, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
Sounds like a plan. I'll get right on it. I'll even rename this page for good measure. --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 02:25, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
:Don't rename it. You can start a draft, but don't rename this article. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 02:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
Don't fret. This page is remaining as it is. Besides, I don't even know how to rename things. I did, however, create a new page. It isn't too good, but it's better then nothing, I'll tell you that. --[[User:Littleman|Littleman]] 03:08, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
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<pre> | |||
By the time of ''Kingdom Hearts II'', the actions of Sora, Axel, Riku, and the Riku Replica, in addition to the departure of Roxas, reduced the Organization's roster to eight, which were then slain by Sora one-by-one (with the exception of Axel, who sacrificed himself to allow Sora to go and save [[Kairi]]) until only Xemnas remained. Ultimately, Xemnas fell at the hands of Sora and Riku, and Roxas (now a part of Sora once again, but still somewhat independent, as seen in the ending video before the credits) could be considered the sole surviving member. However, as revealed in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance'', Master Xehanort creates a new incarnation of the Organization composed of himself, his incarnations, Xigbar, and Isa. | |||
'''Xemnas''' - Defeated by [[Sora]] and [[Riku]] at the end of ''[[Kingdom Hearts II]]''. He was trying to dispose of the only threat standing between him and Kingdom Hearts. Disappeared in Darkness in what appears to be a black variation of the white Nobody thorns. He was the thirteenth and final member to fall, but his destruction and that of "Ansem" led to the recreation of Master Xehanort as he revives Xemnas to become a member of the new Organization XIII. | |||
'''Xigbar''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]] in the Hall of Empty Melodies in [[The World That Never Was]]. He started the fight to try to prevent Sora and company from ascending any farther up the castle but disappeared into Darkness. He was the ninth member to disappear, yet is recreated to support the new Organization. | |||
'''Xaldin''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], [[Goofy]], and [[Beast]] at [[Beast's Castle]]. He was on a mission to turn the Beast into a Heartless and Nobody. Disappeared into Darkness and wind. Xaldin was the seventh member subject to elimination. | |||
'''Vexen''' - Defeated by [[Axel]] as a way to gain Marluxia's trust. Vexen opposed Marluxia's plot and Marluxia wanted him eliminated. Disappeared by incineration into Darkness. He was the first member to fall. However, he would later become Even once again, due to both he and his respective Heartless meeting their end. | |||
'''Lexaeus''' - Defeated by [[Riku]] while possessed by [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]]. He was trying to make Riku use the Darkness inside him. From what is shown in the cutscene of his elimination, he was helpless against Ansem, Seeker of Darkness due to his weakened condition after his brutal fight with Riku. He disappeared into Darkness, and was the third member eliminated, eventually reforming Aeleus. | |||
'''Zexion''' - Defeated by [[Riku Replica]] and [[Axel]]. Axel wanted no evidence of his actions in [[Castle Oblivion]], so when Zexion was extremely weary from his battle with the real [[Riku]], Axel had the [[Riku Replica]] absorb Zexion. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness while engulfed in the Replica's energy. Zexion was the fifth member to fall, which led to the return of Ienzo. | |||
'''Saïx''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. He was confronted simply to try to eliminate the last of the Organization. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness. He was the eleventh to be defeated. Though this led to the return of Isa, his memories from his time as Saïx prompt him to join Master Xehanort and support the new Organization XIII. | |||
'''Axel''' - The only Organization member not killed by anyone. He was eliminated in a sacrificial attack to save [[Sora]] from an army of [[Dusk]]s. Similar to a fire, he seemed to "burn out" into Darkness, resembling ashes. Axel was the eighth member to fall, which led to the return of Lea. | |||
'''Demyx''' - Defeated, by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. He was one of the few mentionable people destroyed in the [[Battle of the 1000 Heartless|Battle of 1,000 Heartless]]. He confronted Sora and company just for the sake of battling in the war. He disappeared into Darkness and appeared to have boiled up and evaporated. He was the sixth member to disappear. | |||
'''Luxord''' - Defeated by [[Sora]]. He captured Donald, Goofy, [[Riku]], and [[Kairi]], forcing Sora into one of Luxord's "games." Sora was able to beat him by "winning the game" and slashing through his shield of cards. He disappeared into gaseous Darkness. Luxord was the tenth member to be eliminated. | |||
'''Marluxia''' - Defeated by [[Sora]]. He was trying to destroy Sora since he couldn't control him. Marluxia himself is never actually fought, but after Sora destroys a clone, a machine-like Nobody and an angel-like, feminine reaper, all Marluxia's energy is gone and he is beaten. He disappeared attempting to grab Sora in gaseous Darkness in a flurry of flower petals. Marluxia was the fourth member to disappear. | |||
'''Larxene''' - Defeated by [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck|Donald]], and [[Goofy]]. She was on a mission to kill Sora after her plan fell apart. She would have succeeded, but an attempt to save Sora by [[Naminé]], Donald, and Goofy gave him the strength to fight back, and Larxene eventually met her end. She disappeared into Darkness. Larxene was the second member to fall. | |||
'''Roxas''' - Arguably the only surviving member. Roxas permanently sealed himself within [[Sora]] just before the final battle with Xemnas, willingly giving up his physical existence. Although he is not gone, he was the twelfth member to "fall". | |||
'''Xion''' - While technically not an official member, she was still part of the Organization for a while. She was absorbed by Roxas when battling him and then faded away into Roxas. If she was considered a member, she would be the sixth to be defeated. | |||
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This kind of "final scorecard" is not only incredibly trivia-ish, but laughably out-of-date and, as of KH3D, totally inaccurate in its intent. The informational content should be retained, but not even Jiminy's Journal keeps a running scorecard of who technically killed which Nobody. | |||
<pre>These lesser Nobodies are called [[Sorcerer]]s, [[Sniper]]s, [[Dragoon]]s, [[Berserker]]s, [[Assassin]]s, [[Dancer]]s, [[Gambler]]s, and [[Samurai]]. Sorcerer Nobodies are under the command of Xemnas. They float over the ground constantly, possessing a grace much like that of Xemnas, and utilize large cubes of nothingness in several ways. They are the most powerful and rarest of the lesser Nobodies. Sniper Nobodies are controlled by [[Xigbar]] and, like him, carry spiky guns that shoot small red crystallized lasers. Dragoon Nobodies are controlled by [[Xaldin]] because of his affinity with wind, and possess a singular lance that mirrors the six that he fights with. Berserker Nobodies are under [[Saïx]]'s power and, as with the previously mentioned lesser Nobodies, hold a weapon identical to that of their master. An observant player will also notice that Berserker Nobodies go through random surges of anger, much like Saïx when he draws upon the power of the moon. Next are the Assassin Nobodies. This group is under [[Axel]]'s control, capable of becoming a circular form similar to Axel's weapon, hiding away for short periods of time before attacking, and causing powerful explosions. Dancer Nobodies are the most colorful of all the lesser Nobody, featuring bright colors such as orange and pink. They are [[Demyx]]'s servants and relate to him due to his musical nature. The Gambler Nobodies are under [[Luxord]]'s rule. Luxord, being a gambler of many things, fights with cards, which they use as well, along with several dice. The final of these lesser Nobodies are Samurai, which [[Roxas]] controls. Samurai wield two {{w|katana}} just as Roxas wields two [[Keyblade]]s, Oblivion and Oathkeeper.</pre> | |||
I really do not see why this needs to be a difficult-to-read list on ''this page'', rather than simply going into their table and having the similarities covered on the lesser nobody page. | |||
<pre>There are a few major differences between the [[Nobody|Nobodies]] within the Organization and the ones that [[Sora]] frequently encounters throughout the game. The average type that Sora fights often have strange features, enhanced speed, metallic skin in shades of white, silver, and blue, and the trademark [[Nobody]] symbol (which doubles as the logo for the Organization). The Nobodies that make up the Organization have human forms with limited special powers, revolving around thirteen different elements. One ability shared by all the members is the power to summon an oval, obsidian portal of darkness that leads to the unseen paths of darkness. These portals are known as Corridors of Darkness. The Organization makes use of the paths to move to and from worlds unseen without fear for their well-being compared to those who are attuned with darkness and still have hearts. | |||
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...erg. | |||
<pre> | |||
This group's inclusion to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' storyline marks the more mature nature of the ''Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories'' and ''Kingdom Hearts II'' storylines, as they introduce the concepts of duplicity among the villains, minor physical abuse, manipulation of sentimental matters and, on some level, real death. A notable example is the Heartless invasion of Hollow Bastion, Organization XIII's doing, which inadvertently incapacitates [[Goofy]] for a short time, leading even [[Sora]], [[Donald Duck]], and [[Mickey Mouse|Mickey]] to falsely believe that he is dead.</pre> | |||
I don't really agree with this, since Maleficent's group was plenty evil and mind-rape seems darker than Goofy getting hit with a rock, but it doesn't belong in the lead anyway since it's about KHII, not the Organization.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 05:16, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
Here's some more that I removed as irrelevant to this specific page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 06:04, 8 April 2012 (UTC) | |||
<pre>Some members have different looking coats, for example Axel, whose sleeves are tight around his wrists. Upon closer inspection, it can be seen that the hems of each coat are each slightly different, as well as the shoulder pads (such as those of Demyx and Xigbar, which seem to be slightly pointed). | |||
Other known characters to wear the coat are King Mickey, Riku, Xehanort's Heartless, | |||
and [[Moogle]]s. Riku obtains his coat from DiZ and it is presumed Mickey also obtains it from him. It is unknown how DiZ or the Moogles obtained them. | |||
In the new cutscenes of ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'', every time a missing member is referred to during a meeting, the camera's focus will shift briefly to that said member's throne (such as when Xaldin reminded Axel that, indirectly, he eliminated the traitors Marluxia and Larxene, the camera briefly shifts to view their thrones. The conversation concerns Axel's orders to destroy Roxas and fittingly enough, Roxas's throne is between theirs). | |||
Somewhere in The Castle That Never Was, inaccessible to the player, is the meeting room of the Organization. This area can be accessed with a cheat code, though - the platform with the Organization symbol can be walked on, but none of the thrones can. The game calls the area "Where Nothing Gathers" - suggesting it may have been in the final game as a full area, but was dropped later. | |||
In the central tower of The Castle That Never Was, there is a room that is something of a graveyard or a place where beings who can't use the portal to darkness use the doorway-like portals to reach other members of the Organization. This chamber has thirteen portals which lead to a certain area throughout the castle, the portals are placed simultaneously along the walls and glow blue if that specific member is alive but red when that one is dead. Starting from Xemnas's which is actually a path to The Altar of Naught, going downwards are two more, then below them are four and after them are eight with a path cutting half way between the portals. The portals lead to large chambers which are areas that the Organization dwell when they are resting. So far only three are known which are the Altar of Naught, where Xemnas resides and the highest point in the castle, Havoc's Divide which is a large slanted balcony were Luxord resides, and Addled Impasse where Saïx lives, which is a large circular room with a balcony made of glass and looks up towards the moon. Note that for gameplay purposes, the gates to Havoc's Divide and Addled Impasse remain active even after Luxord and Saïx are felled. Also, for the same reasons, Roxas's still-active gate (since he still exists within Sora) is broken and rendered unusable, although it still maintains its blue glow. It may be broken, though, due to the fact that while Roxas still exists in Sora, he does not exist physically. Note that Zexion's tombstone was especially broken to hide his weapon's image, (which was not revealed until the release of ''[[Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix]]''), although its lettering can still be read. It is unknown if Xion has or ever had a tombstone and portal. | |||
Ironically, the founding members Vexen, Lexaeus, and Zexion have the lowest chair heights out of the whole Organization. </pre> | |||
==Birth by Sleep section== | |||
I believe that this section is unnecessary within the article as it details the activities of the founding members before they became Nobodies and actually founded Organization XIII. Alternatively, if the 'Birth by Sleep' section is kept, surely a 'Union Cross' section is also necessary as it details the origins of Luxu, Ventus, Lauriam and Elrena? This would also lead to pages like Real Organization XIII needing to be greatly expanded to detail the origins of all the members. To that end, I don't think the Birth by Sleep section adds anything that isn't already covered in the 'Between Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts' section. Floor is open for debate. - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 15:51, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:We could perhaps create a seperate page for Ansem’s apprentices which leads into Organization XIII. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 16:05, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
::That seems like a fair compromise. Given the information in the Secret Reports of KH3, are you able to create an updated collage of the members with Isa and Lea included for use on the page? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 18:57, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::I can make one at some point but right now I’m quite busy with finishing my BA, so I won’t be very active in the image department for a while. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 19:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
I do hate to be a broken record but, upon a few re-readings, I really can't find anything in the 'Birth by Sleep' section that is relevant to the Organization XIII page - it's founding members and their motivations are reiterated in the 'Between Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts' section, and those members do not actually set the events leading to the creation of the Organization into motion until after the events of Birth by Sleep have already passed. Are there any other opinions on this? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 19:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::All the events covered in the Secret Ansem Reports and the intro scene to KH3D needs to be on this page, because it is explicitly explained to be critical to the Organization's founding and original purpose.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:13, 20 April 2019 (UTC) | |||