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{{BebopKate|text=I'd like to add an addendum of my own that I've already been going by: component, minor, or insignificant items can be grouped by an identifying characteristic rather than each item having its own page as long as the details of each component are provided (Examples: [[Serenity]] of [[Item synthesis|Synthesis Materials]], [[Engine Gummi]] of [[Gummi Blocks]]).}}
{{BebopKate|text=I'd like to add an addendum of my own that I've already been going by: component, minor, or insignificant items can be grouped by an identifying characteristic rather than each item having its own page as long as the details of each component are provided (Examples: [[Serenity]] of [[Item synthesis|Synthesis Materials]], [[Engine Gummi]] of [[Gummi Blocks]]).}}
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==Updating our MOS==
==Updating our MOS==
Hey guys. So, honestly, our Manual of Style is super out of date. As a whole, it hasn't been updated in a long time, so I propose that it's time to update it. I've started a draft [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 6|here]], but it's by no means complete (we're missing standards and formatting for Merchandise articles and all articles in non-mainspace), and there are some sections that I simply don't know how we cover them or what is expected in them (such as the Items and Equipment and Abilities sections). So I'm hoping we could discuss/define these areas so that we can update our dear MOS and give some more consistency on-site. One of the issues is that even our main games articles are not consistent, so that's part of why I'm doing this. Thoughts? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 15:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
Hey guys. So, honestly, our Manual of Style is super out of date. As a whole, it hasn't been updated in a long time, so I propose that it's time to update it. I've started a '''draft [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 6|here]]''', but it's by no means complete (we're missing standards and formatting for Merchandise articles and all articles in non-mainspace), and there are some sections that I simply don't know how we cover them or what is expected in them (such as the Items and Equipment and Abilities sections). So I'm hoping we could discuss/define these areas so that we can update our dear MOS and give some more consistency on-site. One of the issues is that even our main games articles are not consistent, so that's part of why I'm doing this. Thoughts? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 15:04, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
::Regarding the "The player" should not be referred to as "they". Use the general "he" part... I want to bring this up since I've been reworking the Foretellers' articles. This was brought up in the past (as seen two sections up), but a few users, including myself, voiced our disagreement with that rule, because the singular "they" is considered a better alternative. When rewriting the Foretellers' articles, I have removed the "he", and I'm extremely careful not to assign any gender pronouns when referring to a player's character, since the player's character can either be a "he" or a "she", y'know? I wanted to ask what is the community's stance is now regarding the general "he" and using the singular "they" when referring to the player.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
::Regarding the "The player" should not be referred to as "they". Use the general "he" part... I want to bring this up since I've been reworking the Foretellers' articles. This was brought up in the past (as seen two sections up), but a few users, including myself, voiced our disagreement with that rule, because the singular "they" is considered a better alternative. When rewriting the Foretellers' articles, I have removed the "he", and I'm extremely careful not to assign any gender pronouns when referring to a player's character, since the player's character can either be a "he" or a "she", y'know? I wanted to ask what is the community's stance is now regarding the general "he" and using the singular "they" when referring to the player.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:38, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
:::According to [https://blog.ap.org/products-and-services/making-a-case-for-a-singular-they the Associated Press], the term "they" and it's derivatives can be used in rare cases. This is the grammatical ruling. However, there is technically no grammatically correct gender-neutral pronoun that is entirely accepted in American English. "They" is generally accepted in common usage. I personally prefer to use "they", it's just easier and more commonly accepted. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:50, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
:::According to [https://blog.ap.org/products-and-services/making-a-case-for-a-singular-they the Associated Press], the term "they" and it's derivatives can be used in rare cases. This is the grammatical ruling. However, there is technically no grammatically correct gender-neutral pronoun that is entirely accepted in American English. "They" is generally accepted in common usage. I personally prefer to use "they", it's just easier and more commonly accepted. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:50, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
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:::So, the consensus is to use the U.K. convention on the wiki.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
:::So, the consensus is to use the U.K. convention on the wiki.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:34, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Alright, so I've updated my draft to reflect what was mentioned here. We should definitely discuss if we want to expand our coverage on the wiki as Kryten has suggested, but for now, we should implement the MOS as is and then update it as we continue to make changes to our policies and rules on-site. Is there anything else we're presently doing that isn't covered in the draft? Or can we go ahead an update the MOS? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 17:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
:::::Alright, so I've updated my draft to reflect what was mentioned here. We should definitely discuss if we want to expand our coverage on the wiki as Kryten has suggested, but for now, we should implement the MOS as is and then update it as we continue to make changes to our policies and rules on-site. Is there anything else we're presently doing that isn't covered in the draft? Or can we go ahead an update the MOS? {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 17:01, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
<<bump>> {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 20:28, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
:I think we're good to go. No one raised any objections. The MOS is a WIP, definitely. For now, let's just update the MOS with the draft we currently have and add and change things along the way, like you suggested. Sounds good?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
::I went ahead and updated the MOS. Like you said, it's still a work in progress, as the wiki as a whole is. As far as I can tell, I addressed all the concerns brought up, but if I missed any, by all means, go ahead and add them. This is just super important with Kingdom Hearts III coming and, more likely than not, all the new users hyped by the game. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 22:40, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
:::I made a slight edit to it, adding the U.K. punctuation rule and cut out some lines I thought was redundant. Maybe we should add a "General Writing Style" section onto the page? I've seen a few wikias have them, detailing some basic rules, like not using contractions in articles because they're considered informal, reminding users that vandalism is prohibited, and that events that happen in X or Y isn't canon to the main series.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:33, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
== Trivia ==
I've become aware that KSM's rewrite of the MoS in 2017 removed the restriction on trivia that stated "If merging bits of trivial information to the main body is possible, then by all means, do so."
The MoS ''was'' approved by review of the community at the time, but no one specifically mentioned this change. As such, I'd like to note it here to provide the community the opportunity to confirm that said change is intentional and acceptable, or if we want to retain the previous rule on only allowing trivia that cannot be made to fit in the rest of the article.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:17, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
:Proposal to re-add previous restriction back into MoS. Anything that cannot be intelligently incorporated into the main article/subsections should then be placed in trivia as just that: trivial tid-bits. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 18:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
== Order of sections on item pages ==
Currently, item pages are ordered by obtainment method. Which means that if you want to find out where to find a certain item in a game, you have to check each section. Wouldn't it be easier to sort them by game, like how the world Game: pages are organized? It would make it much easier to see where to get an item. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:01, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
:Unless someone can argue otherwise, I'm down for sorting by game. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 20:53, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
::I think that would be fine, for the sake of convenience!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
==Design & Personality Sections Order==
I've been meaning to bring this up, but keep forgetting: I've noticed when doing minor fixes for certain characters' pages, the order of Design and Personality sections are swapped. MoS has it Personality section goes first before Design, but I'd like to recommend we switch this around so that Design goes first instead of Personality. Personally, I've always found that to be a better order to follow.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:02, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
:I agree. For some reason that does make more sense. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
::I don't think I can put into words very eloquently, but I guess it's because Designs are more important than Personality sections and should be put first ahead of it? ^_^; Is there any objections?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
:::Since no objections were raised, I'm assuming that everyone is okay with the change.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 03:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
== Music pages for arrangements ==
For clarification, I propose we add a note about arrangements of songs going under the original article, rather than their own.
As for why, it makes sense that tracks like "Hand in Hand -Reprise-", "Olympus Coliseum -The Shining Summit-", and "Rage Awakend -The Origin-" would fall under the same page as the original tracks; it's really no different than the ''KHII'' version of "A Day in Agrabah" being in the same article as the original arrangement. Clarifying this in the MoS would also help us avoid another "Blast Away!" situation where we have four articles for the same song.
This would also apply to tracks such as "Kairi", "Wave of Darkness", and "L'Eminenza Oscura", whose versions explicitly fall under separate articles in the current MoS. This is the only real change, but "Kairi" already is consolidated into one article, so it's just updating the MoS to reflect more current edits. [[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 22:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
== Game abbreviations for infobox tabs ==
We need to come up with consistent abbreviations for infobox tabs; as it is now, worlds, items, enemies, and music tracks use different ones. (Example: for ''Re:coded'', worlds use "KHc", tracks use "KHREC", characters use "KHRec", and some pages use "KHRCO".) There are two main standards in use: all caps (KHRECOM, KHBBS, KHX) and varying case (KHReCOM, KHBbS, KHχ). And then some random articles use a third way (KHRe:COM). Plus, while most of the time the HD collections are done like "KHHD2.5", some pages use "KHIIHD". We should make a list of abbreviations so that all articles are consistent with each other. –[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 15:51, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
:I agree that we should standardize this. I think all caps might be the best option (with the exception of the χ). At the top of [[Template:c]] is a list of abbreviations that are used for pages with game tags. It might be good to follow that for consistency. For the HD collections, I think "KHHD2.5" might be better, as "KHIIHD" looks like it's a version of KHII, like "KHIIFM" or "KHIIIRM". {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
::So, something like this:
::{| border="1"
!Game||Abbreviation
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts''||KH
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Final Mix''||KHFM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories''||KHCOM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories''||KHRECOM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts II''||KHII
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix''||KHIIFM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days''||KHD
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep''||KHBBS
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep Final Mix''||KHBBSFM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts coded''||KHC
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Re:coded''||KHREC
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance''||KH3D
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance HD''||KH3DHD
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts χ[chi]''||KHχ
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Union χ[Cross]''||KHUχ
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts χ Back Cover''||KHχBC
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts 0.2 Birth by Sleep -A fragmentary passage-'' ||KH0.2
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts III''||KHIII
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts III Re Mind''||KHIIIRM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Dark Road''||KHDR
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Melody of Memory''||KHMOM
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts Missing-Link''||KHML
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts IV''||KHIV
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX''||KHHD1.5
|-
|''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX||KHHD2.5
|}
::Seems good to me. –[[User:Aid1043|Aid1043]] ([[User talk:Aid1043|talk]]) 14:18, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
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