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In regards to our own images - yes, we should be listing the sources for any images we upload that we did not create ourselves. I am completely unsure, but I believe that we have a general message saying something like "Unless otherwise specified, all images belong to Square Enix and Disney", though we should make the effort to specify that on the images themselves.}} | In regards to our own images - yes, we should be listing the sources for any images we upload that we did not create ourselves. I am completely unsure, but I believe that we have a general message saying something like "Unless otherwise specified, all images belong to Square Enix and Disney", though we should make the effort to specify that on the images themselves.}} | ||
{{Sove|time=15:35, 14 May 2011 (EDT)|roxastalk=The morality of their actions may be controversial but no laws have been broken. What LA said to ErryK is absolutely true. | |||
I know a way to get around this problem though, if you're interested. I don't check the wiki often so contact me on IRC if you respond to this (no offence but I just don't come here much).}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|....no, laws have absolutely been broken. Whether ''we have the higher moral ground'' is less clear, but regardless - the wikia must credit where they get images, and if they are not using the images under fair use (for example, uploading them to decorate a user page), they ABSOLUTELY have to ask permission first.}} | |||
{{Sove|time=12:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)|roxastalk=ErryK uploaded a picture of his own work here so it automatically became Public Domain, forfeiting any copyrights, no Fair Use is needed to use such pictures.}} | |||
What? Unless someone specifies Public Domain, uploading your own work on a wiki does not instantly become that. The creator of the original work is allowed to choose which license it comes under. If anything, the default should be same as the wiki, which in this case is CC-BY-SA 3.0 -- {{User:Some Color Mage/sig}} 20:02, 17 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{Soxra|ienzo=I agree that the work should be credited, because it falls under the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/ Creative Commons license]. In such a case, all that needs to be done is have our license tied back here with a link to the author. As much as I know you guys don't want to share the rips from the game, they do come under that license once they are uploaded here, and so can be used on the Wikia with proper credit given.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=2:17am, May 18, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
{{Sove|time=10:19, 18 May 2011 (EDT)|roxastalk=Game rips are under SE's copyright and are Fair Use. ErryK holds no copyright for them. If the wikia can find use for the pics, they can use them and there's nothing we can do, they're not obliged to credit ErryK as he doesn't hold the copyrights for the pictures.}} | |||
{{Soxra|ienzo=Actually, Erry does own the copyright on that particular image as he created it. He doesn't own the content (obviously), but that particular uploaded file does belong to him. | |||
It's like me drawing a picture of a McDonald's sign. Their logo is registered under Fair Use (for distribution and free advertisement), so even though I don't own the McDonald's logo, I created the image and it's under my copyright.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=5:42pm, May 18, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
I suggest a new liscensing template, which says something along the lines of "This image was created by <nowiki>[[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]]</nowiki>, and is used with permission by this wiki. All non-consentual use is prohibited by law." {{The Inexistentsig}} 18:12, 18 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{LA|Vtext=Game rips are not created or owned by the user who ripped them. We can't go around saying that they are. ''That'' would be the real plagiarism.}} | |||
{{Soxra|roxas=Are we talking game rips like screenshots, or game rips like renders of models taken from inside the game?|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=4:18am, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
:Models. <!--Though, thinking about it, Screenshots may apply here...-->--{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 00:38, 19 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{Soxra|sora=Then, no, whoever rendered it has credit to the work. They don't have permission to sell it or otherwise market the content as their own, but they may distribute the image however they see fit. However, only certain licenses can be applied to it as the content is not owned by the renderer. | |||
If it's a screenshot, it's Fair Use regardless. (Unless it does not fall under Fair Use clauses, in which case it cannot be redistributed, period.)|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=4:57am, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
{{LA|Vtext=They may distribute the image as they see fit, but they can't watermark it or claim it as their property. | |||
I'd like to point out that ripping things from game files is technically illegal.}} | |||
{{Soxra|roxas=Correct, they cannot watermark it (as this is a brand of the content), but the image itself (as I said before, not the content) is technically created by them. You mentioned that ripping it is illegal; well, this is true. But it also means that they do own the rights to the image they created, even if it is against the law to create such an image. (Just as you own the rights to any plagiarized software you create, for example; but when you are charged with the crime, the copyright is forfeit.)|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=5:47am, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
:This may be due to my knowledge of game ripping, or lack thereof, but how are ripped images "technically created by them"? --{{User:LegoAlchemist/Sig}} 02:14, 19 May 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{Soxra|roxas=It was like I said about taking a picture of a McDonald's sign. You took the picture, and own the photo, but McDonald's owns the rights to the logo and you can only distribute it under certain circumstances. The same applies if you take a picture (or export the render) of content created by someone else (the model from the game).|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=6:45am, May 19, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||
{{LA|Vtext=But that's like saying, "I didn't download this licensed image, I took a screencap of it. That makes it mine." Like taking a ''really good'' photograph. Just because you have it doesn't make it yours, especially if it's a picture of the subject and literally ''nothing else''. That's what ripping is (which is worse than screencapping because it's, you know, illegal). | |||
But what you're saying makes sense.}} | |||
{{Soxra|hood=I guess a better comparison is making your own McDonald's logo and taking a picture. It's hard to draw analogies from the virtual world to the physical one; shame it doesn't work like ''Tron''.|time={{User:Soxra/Sig|t=12:10am, May 20, 2011 (UTC)}}}} | |||