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{{Maggosh|YMX=I'd rather we skip the formalities. Well, after I made an edit to the Bleach wiki for the first time in months, I was directed to [[ | {{Maggosh|YMX=I'd rather we skip the formalities. Well, after I made an edit to the Bleach wiki for the first time in months, I was directed to [[wikia:bleach:User blog:Yyp/New Wikia Skin:What we can expect?|this blog]]. Apparently Wikia's going to have an overhaul concerning changes, aesthetically and software-side, by the end of the year; one of which includes putting the name of the user who uploaded a picture in its caption. Which, in my opinion, is a bad idea. There's more [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Susan_Taylor/Experience_the_new_Wikia here], [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Sannse/Your_First_Look_at_the_New_Wikia here], and [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Transition_guide here]. Just thought I should post this here so we could discuss what goes on. ''Merci beaucoup''.}} | ||
==Discussion== | ==Discussion== | ||
{{Uxie|time=04:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I got that when I first edited other wikis. I am sick of it, y'know!}} | {{Uxie|time=04:21, September 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=I got that when I first edited other wikis. I am sick of it, y'know!}} | ||
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*OR Find some way to opt out of this change. | *OR Find some way to opt out of this change. | ||
If we can't do either of those, we're screwed. There are tons of petitions on Wikia Central about this [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance] <Like that. Support them as much as we can, and see if it does anything.}} | If we can't do either of those, we're screwed. There are tons of petitions on Wikia Central about this [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Anti-Wikia_Alliance] <Like that. Support them as much as we can, and see if it does anything.}} | ||
{{Ym|time=19:15, October 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I say move. Wikia won't really care what we say. ShoutWiki may load slowly, but at least it isn't making unnecessary changes. My opinion is move, but if you guys decide to stay, I'm all for it.}} | |||
{{The Inexistent|KRCCFNF='''@KKD, they keep asking for feedback and everyone says ''no'', but then they don't listen, and that means we can't opt out. I still think having my <s>useless hacker</s> friend figure out how to manipulate the CSS and HTML to get it to look the way it does now would be the best option.'''}} | |||
{{Galexgan|time=22:58, October 3, 2010 (UTC)|terra2= Wow, I'm really really late to this but, I'm up for following the wiki if it moves. I don't want to stick with a wiki that's gonna constantly change it's layout for the worse over and over and over again causing mayhem and uproar EVERY time. On the topic of ads, Final Fantasy XIV is pretty awesome looking, watched the seven minute long video I got in my email from Square Members, it was epic is all I can say. Not sure how adds work and all, just assuming that we can get a FFXIV add to help and RE:Coded comes out soon-ish so there's another add. FF and KH appear to be extremely long running series so we should have plenty of adds from them, and if they aren't enough Disney is always advertising something. On the topic of layout, if we switched to become our own wiki or whatever and we had people great with HTML code we might not only be able to move and keep things the way we like it but actually improve the layout and other features to look and work alot smoother. EDIT: I also thought about it but because of the benfits that come with social comunication between members such as cameraderie then moving and getting great coders to help improve the wiki we could make user talk pages so much better, perhaps removing them from the "My Home" area every time one get's edited but perhaps create another feature such as "social" or something that shows updates to talk pages and forums, even perhaps adding another button like the "My Home" area to narrow what's being shown down to what pages your following. Another feature that would help editors welcome new members to the wiki would be a feature on the main page or something that lists members who have joined within the past 7 days, those people then being removed from the New Member list after those 7 days. Just brainstorming ideas.}} | |||
{{SannseTalk|time=21:28, October 6, 2010 (UTC)|text=Hi all, I just wanted to jump in and say that the new look is now available for everyone to try as a preference. I hope you'll give it a go... including the options to theme the wiki and make it fit your topic. If you want help with that, then please let me know. And I hope you will all decide to stay with us here at Wikia}} | |||
{{Maggosh|YMX=Well, Sannse, seeing as you didn't read the previous posts, allow me to summarize; | |||
*Everyone either tried or saw the new look. | |||
*Everyone hates it, due to its space-wasting abilities and other issues. | |||
*Everyone wants you to either get rid of it or make it an optional skin. | |||
*If it isn't made optional, the wiki's moving.}} | |||
{{KujaRhapsodos|time=00:36, October 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=I feel bad for all the wikia staff who worked very hard on Oasis, but it just doesn't fit. It's ugly and impractical. All the older wikis have been strutured to fit Monaco and Monobook. To change now means that a lot of wikis are now not nice at all to look at. I don't understand what was so terrible about Monaco that you had to change it. We lived with Monaco for a good few years, and saw no problems with it. We do, however, see a lot of problems with Oasis, that beta testers DID point, but that weren't fixed. Why the need to change? Instead of solving problems, it created more.}} | |||
I got a request for some advise on hosting elsewhere, so I'll just iterate over a few notes: | |||
* I'll spare you the bias on how I came up with the ShoutWiki name, the group broke apart, some members became involved in what seamed to be shady business, then a new ShoutWiki group came out from that and swiped the ShoutWiki name... Right now ShoutWiki has a single server, they're thinking of getting a "backup" server, but there is absolutely no proper setup for good performance and fallback on ShoutWiki, and they're already having performance issues. I mentioned that a wiki like Narutopedia moving there would probably kill them from the traffic, though this wiki is only about 1/4 the traffic as the Narutopedia so it's not as heavy, but in any case performance , stability, and the reliability of the service on ShoutWiki doesn't look good. | |||
* I would recommend self-hosting usually, but I don't know if there is anyone on this wiki capable of doing that on a level that keeps the wiki running well. | |||
** I have mentioned that on the chance that the Narutopedia does move I'd be willing to host any other related wiki along with it. But that's dependent on a few things that could cut that short (if the wiki actually decides to move, and more importantly, what my boss even thinks of the idea of hosting wiki when we have a big project -- which I was hired to create -- going into private beta, which is the more problematic thing). But I'm not sure about Kingdom Hearts as it's not so much a related wiki, I was focused around Animanga wiki as a network of them, so even if the wiki does come along, it would probably be dragged along with ideas focused around on the animanga category wiki and primarily the Narutopedia. For most things that might not mean much, besides having less priority on custom features, except for the skin. Part of self-hosting involves experimenting with various ad formats and trying to figure out the best way to get back the money needed to pay for the servers and profit the company hosting the wiki (otherwise the company looses money anyways, since it has to pay the employees spending company time working on the wiki). Trying to do this on different skins at the same time makes for a lot more work, so any other wiki would probably be stuck with the skin and experiments in advertisement placement that the Narutopedia decides on, which I'm expecting to probably be Monaco in an experiment [http://c.imagehost.org/0575/Naruto_Uzumaki_Narutopedia_the_Naruto_Encyclopedia_Wiki_1286057666431.png like this] with a 300px ad above the infobox, or a banner ad above the header (so far those seam to be the most popular ideas in the feedback). | |||
* Side note, Watchlist seams to be broken, I'm no longer getting e-mail updates about changes to watched pages, you may have to poke me on my talkpage once in awhile. | |||
:~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 14:45, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
::Dantman, are you at all familiar with how tfwiki.net went about doing targeted ads, etc.?[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Why don't you try it just to see</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>what happens?</small>]] 16:09, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
:::No, but you're talking about using Project Wonderful right? I knew about Project Wonderful a long time ago, I even signed up for an account (I can't remember where I put ads though, probably dead sites anyways). It's a nice idea, it's not "targeted" -- targeted ads usually refer to contextual ads, like how AdSense looks at the content on your page to guess what the best ad to serve is -- it's "direct" advertising, where people directly purchase ad space from you instead of using broad AdNetworks. The only issue is that it relies on having people visiting your site who are willing to purchase ads, or advertisers that pay attention to Project Wonderful, it's possible to end up in a situation sometimes where there is no advertisements coming from it. But mixed with other ideas it's lovely. | |||
:::So far the first experiment I think I'm leaning towards right now if we did move, would be a small block of Project Wonderful ads below the navigation box in the sidebar (2-3 ads high, 2 ads wide, small banners, maybe one wider banner at higher price), as well as a 300px ad in a right sidebar above an infobox area, if there is no right sidebar on the page then instead either a banner ad above the page title header, or perhaps in an island above the whole content area. I might consider making those banner or box ads project wonderful ads with a minimum price which fallback to advertising networks when there is no advertisement, which should allow a fair box with revenue coming from advertising networks but which allows direct advertisers who are willing to pay about as much as we get from the broad ad networks from an ad area to place their advertisement inside a page instead. I've also tossed around the idea of a separate instance for pages in certain categories, like "Video Games", allowing for a directly targeted ad on video game articles, which could be an enticing space for a store that sells those games to want to take over. | |||
:::A lot of different ideas have been tossed around on the Narutopedia and elsewhere and gone through my head; Play-Asia affiliation. Hulu videos (while I hate hulu, 3rd party sites that embed videos get 10% of Hulu's cut of the advertising profits from videos which are watched on the 3rd party site), various ad networks, Project Wonderful, bg takeover ads (not favored), partnerships with relevant companies, donations, etc... ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 18:12, October 7, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I found the [[MediaWiki:Oasis.css|page that stores the Oasis crap]]. Why don't we try messing around with it? {{The Inexistentsig}} | |||
:It's actually [[MediaWiki:Wikia.css]], but the ToU prohibits you from doing just about anything to the look of the wiki. ~ '''NOTASTAFF''' [[wikia:animanga:User:Dantman|Dantman]]<sup>([[User talk:Dantman|Local Talk]] ⁝ [[wikia:animanga:User talk:Dantman|Animanga Talk]])</sup> 01:26, October 8, 2010 (UTC) | |||
<_< I'm in a dream... impossible... all (KH ?) wiki... (I'm from Fr wiki) --[[User:Yosh93|Yosh93]] 12:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{The Inexistent|angry='''WHY HAVE THESE DISUSSIONS DIED DOWN? THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF GUYS!!!'''}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|We started a continuation topic a while ago.}} | |||
* I hate the Wikia New Look. I don't evemn contribute here but I'm talking here cause I want people to know I hate the new skin. In fact, I even know people who want to vandal when they see a new skin, and UC's are ever so hard to block with their changing IP | |||
addresses. | |||
So have you guys find a place to move to yet?--[[User:Hikaruyami-having fun*|Hikaruyami-having fun*]] 06:13, October 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Forum:Where will we go?|We're working on it.]]{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}06:21, October 28, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Falcos|angry=Okay, I don't know if this is the right place to lodge this complaint, but I use two computers depending on where I am currently, one with a small screen, and one with a large one, and I'd like to point out that the new skin doesn't fit readably on either of them. Now, perhaps I'm more annoyed then I should be with it, as I'm used to the old skin, but I was giving it a week's trial, and I discovered, coming onto the wiki to edit (which I normally enjoy) was a chore with Oasis. It is missing several features that I have become accustomed to, is confusing to navigate and to read, and gives me migranes just trying to look at it. Furthermore, there are enough trolls and vandals on this wiki, and I think the gallery thing just screams "vandal bait". I am aware that it probably took a lot of work to design, but I'd like to ask if the people who designed it have ever done any editing. Because my guess would be not. Also, the toolbar at the bottom of the screen (which I haven't worked out how to get rid off, if it is at all possible) makes my bottom-of-the-range computer overheat and die from trying to load it. Also, the "more from wikia" feature, which I thought was reasonabley sized and placed before, is annoyingly sized, and placed. Also, the "added by" function is annoying, as it draws attention away from the article. Sorry, I got a bit rant-y there. In short, this skin is a bad idea, and while I don't doubt that some people like it, (I can think of worse things people have liked) I think the majority of people won't. Not sure what I was trying to achieve, besides throwing in my two cents.}} | |||
We're using [[Forum:@&%&*@%&$@&*$%|this forum]] more for the complaints directed at the Oasis skin, but you can also take it up with the wikia staff<!--My adivce, stick to the forum. They won't listen either way, and we've tormented Sannse enough.-->.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}01:55, October 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||