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"It's not a heartless" doesn't scream "it's a nobody" to me. In fact, it seems more likely that he was hinting that it was something yet to be explained. Also, I found the quote about the Unversed. "...the Unversed behave according to Vanitas's will, and emotionally. For example, the Flood portray feelings of irritation." So, yeah. He doesn't say that it's a strict 1:1 ratio between emotions & Unversed. And the problem about that explanation of the castle is that the castle in KH1 looks nothing like the castle in KH2.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 14:30, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | "It's not a heartless" doesn't scream "it's a nobody" to me. In fact, it seems more likely that he was hinting that it was something yet to be explained. Also, I found the quote about the Unversed. "...the Unversed behave according to Vanitas's will, and emotionally. For example, the Flood portray feelings of irritation." So, yeah. He doesn't say that it's a strict 1:1 ratio between emotions & Unversed. And the problem about that explanation of the castle is that the castle in KH1 looks nothing like the castle in KH2.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 14:30, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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#Lingering Sentiment canonically has Terra's full mind. | |||
#Nomura is point-blank asked whether it is a Nobody, and instead of denying it, says "it's not a Heartless". No, it's not a ''true'' Nobody, but neither are Roxas, Namine, or Xion, and Nomura gave similar answers for them. | |||
#It's a bit harder to understand, but the "according to" there is almost certainly translated from a verb which ''does'' give a 1:1 ratio. The line would probably be better translated as "The Unversed act at Vanitas's will, and behave according to their emotion," though I'd have to see the original line to know for sure. Besides, the followup sentence makes it pretty clear he does mean a 1:1 ratio. | |||
#We see different sides of the castle in KH1 and KH2. In KH1 we see the side facing the outer wastes; in KH2 and BbS we see the side facing the town. It's still canonically the same castle, especially because it's the one with Ansem's library that Kairi and her grandmother are seen in.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 15:00, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Wait, if it had Terra's mind, how did it not recognize Sora?[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 02:30, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
What's there to recognize? terra only saw sora once for about 5 minutes on Destiny islands, and even then, his attention was on Riku, not sora, not to mention that was 10 years ago. Sora kinda grew a bit since the last time Terra saw him.--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 02:54, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I might concede to that logic if this wasn't the same series where Riku can somehow tell that someone from another world needs to enter Sora's heart. At age 10. With no other information than that Sora had a stray tear. Now. Tell me you didn't recognize the kid as Sora when you first saw him. He looks almost exactly the same. He even has the same hair style. Hard to forget seeing Goku IRL. But, really, my biggest hang-up isn't so much that he couldn't tell exactly who the kid was, but who he WASN'T. Mistaking Sora for Xehanort? Really?[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 03:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
actually Riku was 5, but good point, as for Terra again, 5 minutes, one time, 10 years ago, as a child, wasn't really paying attention to him. We recognized him because we know sora, we played 3 full games as Sora. we recognize him as an important person. of course we'd recognize him. terra did none of these with sora. now as for LS, he's Terra's mind in a suit of armor. do you have any idea what 10 years, all alone, doing absolutely nothing but brood and rage, will do to a human mind? I don't think it's that hard to imagine him being just a bit delusional, do you? if anything, it's amazing that the dilusion broke at all--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 03:22, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
It's not that you make a bad point, it's just that Riku suddenly being the Zen Master is constantly in the back of my head undermining it. Also, if Riku was 5, Sora was like 4. He's the oldest of the trio.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 03:55, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
That's the thing, he ''was'' 4. Birth by Sleep takes place 10 years before KH1, and if sora was 14 in KH1 and if Riku was 15, well i'm pretty sure you can do the math. as for Riku being a Zen Master, all i can say is that just because Riku has kickass perception doesn't mean that everyone else in the Kingdom Hearts Universe does too, and again, it is quite possible that LS was a little crazy when Sora first ncountered him--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 04:02, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||
That's even worse. But my thing is that it's hard to recognize any sensible-sounding argument on a character's mental state after that happens. It's like...if a 4 year old can know something like that, all of the rules suddenly fly out of the window. Ansem the Wise spends years of research on crap like this & I bet he doesn't know it's possible.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 05:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC) | |||