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{{DTN|time=07:52, January 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=As I have noticed in the past month from watching over the Recent Changes, our policy for no socializing or non-wiki conversation on users' talk pages has been completely ignored. This is why we set up the IRC Channel; although it now is the common place of socialization for the community, the amount of conversation that takes place on users' talk pages is still far too much. In fact, any at all is too much if the user knows the policy, yet is deliberately going against it. Since there has been no reason to uplift this policy from the time that it originated and that this is not just being done by new users who are unfamiliar with our policy, I am going to start slapping warnings on users who continue to use users' talk pages for socialization and conversations not related to matters dealing with the wiki in the future. | {{DTN|time=07:52, January 24, 2010 (UTC)|text=As I have noticed in the past month from watching over the Recent Changes, our policy for no socializing or non-wiki conversation on users' talk pages has been completely ignored. This is why we set up the IRC Channel; although it now is the common place of socialization for the community, the amount of conversation that takes place on users' talk pages is still far too much. In fact, any at all is too much if the user knows the policy, yet is deliberately going against it. Since there has been no reason to uplift this policy from the time that it originated and that this is not just being done by new users who are unfamiliar with our policy, I am going to start slapping warnings on users who continue to use users' talk pages for socialization and conversations not related to matters dealing with the wiki in the future. | ||
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|text = NAY! Bad yet Cruel Idea! | |text = NAY! Bad yet Cruel Idea! | ||
|time = SENATOR MALEVOLENCE!!! | |time = SENATOR MALEVOLENCE!!! | ||
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User Talk Pages are not discussion pages! Conversations of a non-wiki nature belong in the Twilight Town Library Forum or IRC. You may leave a brief message on a User Talk page asking someone to join you in either." | User Talk Pages are not discussion pages! Conversations of a non-wiki nature belong in the Twilight Town Library Forum or IRC. You may leave a brief message on a User Talk page asking someone to join you in either." | ||
*[[ | *[[KHWiki:IRC]] :"The Kingdom Hearts Wiki's IRC channel is the wiki's main mode of socializing. It is used for chit-chat and is also a different and quicker way to notify a staff about a problem with the wiki." | ||
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{{BebopKate|time=07:07, January 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=Apologies for being late on the conversation; I've been out of town. | {{BebopKate|time=07:07, January 25, 2010 (UTC)|text=Apologies for being late on the conversation; I've been out of town. | ||
As I've said before, I think part of the problem has long been we hadn't explicitly posted the wiki rules and guidelines anywhere; it was entirely based on word of mouth, or being "in-the-know". Well, we [[Help: | As I've said before, I think part of the problem has long been we hadn't explicitly posted the wiki rules and guidelines anywhere; it was entirely based on word of mouth, or being "in-the-know". Well, we [[Help:New user guide|have them all in one place now]], so that issue is now moot. And I encourage ''all'' editors, old and new, to take a look at the guide as a reminder as needed. | ||
As has also been pointed out before, we have many users who have issues with IRC, either due to age or technology. While DTN's new link will hopefully help with the latter issue, it does nothing to address the former. In addition, some younger editors may also not be allowed to exchange e-mails if they have access limited by their parents. | As has also been pointed out before, we have many users who have issues with IRC, either due to age or technology. While DTN's new link will hopefully help with the latter issue, it does nothing to address the former. In addition, some younger editors may also not be allowed to exchange e-mails if they have access limited by their parents. | ||
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Bluer, you've mentioned that the FF Wiki has tried the forum experiment before. I'm curious...have they managed to strike a balance, or is it as much of an issue there as it is here? And for anyone else posting on another busy wiki, same question. Maybe we need some insight into how others have handled a situation like this.}} | Bluer, you've mentioned that the FF Wiki has tried the forum experiment before. I'm curious...have they managed to strike a balance, or is it as much of an issue there as it is here? And for anyone else posting on another busy wiki, same question. Maybe we need some insight into how others have handled a situation like this.}} | ||
{{Randomnessity|isa=Well this has gotten interesting. I can't even find a thing to say and that's unlike me. What I do have to say is that I agree that banning is a little over the top. I agree with Kate right above me. It would be a never ending cycle of going from to talk page to talk page to talk page...etc. And I see that user talks can crowd the RC but if you really look hard enough it isn't hard to see the normal pages that were edited in the meantime. I do think that the chatting needs to be dialed down a bit. This places main function, after all, is being an information center for KH. That's all I have to say on the matter. Also forget what I said above.}}{{Riku's Love|time=18:11, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text= I agree with Randomnessity.}} | {{Randomnessity|isa=Well this has gotten interesting. I can't even find a thing to say and that's unlike me. What I do have to say is that I agree that banning is a little over the top. I agree with Kate right above me. It would be a never ending cycle of going from to talk page to talk page to talk page...etc. And I see that user talks can crowd the RC but if you really look hard enough it isn't hard to see the normal pages that were edited in the meantime. I do think that the chatting needs to be dialed down a bit. This places main function, after all, is being an information center for KH. That's all I have to say on the matter. Also forget what I said above.}} | ||
{{Riku's Love|time=18:11, January 26, 2010 (UTC)|text= I agree with Randomnessity.}} | |||
{{Malevolence Crystalised|sad=Very Well said Yuan. so far I agree with Yuan...sort of...}} | |||
{{Bluer|15:06, January 27, 2010 (UTC)|FFWiki used to have forums outside of the wiki, kupo. It never got used, people log in for a short time, but then forgot about it completely, kupo. In any case, I think FFWiki was pretty lax on this sort of stuff, kupo, and usually the dedicated users would step in to say something before any chitterchatter got far too irrelevant to the wiki's subject. It once had a thread dedicated to all this irrelevant jibberjabber, kupo, until the administration deemed it too intrusive and banished it all,}} | |||
{{KKD|time=02:05, February 4, 2010 (UTC)|sora=I don't know if this could help, but [[User:SquareEnixRocks|SquareEnixRocks]] just made a KH fansite with FORUMS on it... Nothing says we couldn't use that for socialization. We ''could'' test it out, and see how it goes. If it's a failure, SER will just keep it the way it was. After all, it is her site... anyway, here's the link. [http://kingdomheartsgamers.ning.com/]}} | |||
{{ZTG|time=06:32, February 7, 2010 (UTC)|ven=There is a rule agaist that? I didn't realize. Still I do agree we shold make it so that we can only talk about other stuff on the IRC channle. It is easier, and we can see important changes insted of those to talk pages.}} | |||
{{ZTG|small=Hey, I can see where you are comming from, but some of the users can't get onto the IRC channel (like myself()f). It is unfair to penalize someone when they can't get to the IRC. STill, if anyone has any suggestions beside looking at the forum for the problem (I already tried there) any help would be greatly appreciated!}} | |||
{{DOH|time=19:55, February 16, 2010 (UTC)|text= I like the idea, but no need to go to BANNING! Maybe it wouldn't hurt to drop by and say "Hi, how are you?" once in a while. It's fair but also not fair. Yes, we shouldn't go overboard with talking, but I'm one of those people who nearly got in major trouble with a parent because they think chat rooms are the devil. Plus, the IRC doesn't work on my computer. | |||
Going with what others said, it really IS pointless going to each user talk page and being stalkerish >.> but maybe a few times, admins could look on a back-and-forth conversation to see if it's okay to have it there.}} | |||
{{SDC|time=21:26, April 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= I have an idea. We could have chat pages for each user here on the wiki instead of the IRC. Something like Talk:Sora, only it would be this Chat:(username).}} | |||
{{MM841|23:26, April 10, 2010 (UTC)|Something like [[User talk:Ultima The High Seraph]]?}} | |||