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-{{Forumheader|The World that Never was}}
+{{Forumheader|The Realm of Sleep|The World that Never was}}
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+==Poll==
+DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA
+<poll>
+How should elections go?
+Elect 7 new admins and 1 new mod
+Elect 6 new admins and 2 new mod
+Elect 5 new admins and 3 new mod
+Elect 4 new admins and 4 new mod
+Promote current active mods (3), and elect 5 new mods on fast-learning to admin
+Promote current active mods (3), 1 new mod, and fill in gaps in later elections
+</poll>
+==Discussion 1==
 {{KrytenKoro|As most of you probably know, eight of our admins are inactive, as well as one of our mods.
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 The featured user would probably be decided the same way we do staff elections - community selects those who they think are the most helpful, and the staff go through all of their edits.}}
-{{The Inexistent|text='''Well, I am kinda going off the course this conversation has taken, but, for the retired members, could we do sort of a "Proof of Existence" type image?  I would be willing to make it, but I'm not exactly sure how...  As for the featured user, I did make [[Template:Random User|this template]] as an alternate option, (@LA) so as not to have fighting, although I nominated for deletion a few weeks ago.'''}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Well, I am kinda going off the course this conversation has taken, but, for the retired members, could we do sort of a "Proof of Existence" type image?  I would be willing to make it, but I'm not exactly sure how...  As for the featured user, I did make this template as an alternate option, (@LA) so as not to have fighting, although I nominated for deletion a few weeks ago.'''}}
 {{KrytenKoro|So, it's been a full week. Can we now promote BK?}}
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 Okay, so we all agree that admins should be experienced, right? Well, how do we define that? Experience with the coding, experience with being asked for help, what? And how much experience as a mod should people have?}}
 {{Bluer|20:57, July 31, 2010 (UTC)|I would like to announce that from now on the decision to make a user mod and/or sysop would ultimately be on our hands, kupo. The talk about these user rights have been diverting the main focus of this wiki, so at this point, the so-called "community" can stop bickering about sysop definitions, kupo; BK and I will do that for your sake. Wake up, people, and get back to mainspace editing,}}
+{{ShardofTruth|time=21:04, July 31, 2010 (UTC)|talk=Just stopping by to make things more clear about myself and my intentions.<br>
+I came to this wiki because I like KH, so much indeed that I'm willing to spend much time on searching, ripping/scanning and cropping images. I do that, because I think images play an important part to descripe a videogame and I'm talented enough to deliver them. I never wrote an article, because English is a foreign language for me and it's not good enough to keep up with the high standards here. Tools to move/delete/etc. images would be indeed useful, but I'm getting along now and that should also be the case in the future (although often someone has to clean up after me). I know that these rights come with a great responsibility and are not awarded lightly because the community has to trust this specific member. I think I'm here because I want to help out and not because I want to interfere with the all concerns of the community. Until today I was never in the IRC and won't probably in the future. That's why I could not be less suited to the task of a mod or an even higher position.<br>
+I'm male by the way.;-)}}
+{{TNE|time=01:22, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Should I start a Nominations section, or... ?}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''I don't know.  Will it be for mod, admin, or both?'''}}
+{{TNE|time=02:09, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=I believe, for both.}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Sure, but we should probably ask Kryten first...'''}}
+{{TNE|time=02:17, August 1, 2010 (UTC)|text=Good call.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Oookay, we still need to figure out how many spots of each we are having. Right now, we definitely have three empty admin spots, and if no one can get ahold of the other inactive staff, four more. We also have 1 extra mod spot open if Urutapu isn't here.
+Soooo...how about we start a poll, then?}}
+Holy monkeyballs! We're starting new nominations?! The worst time for me to go on a wiki-break! If we are going to add new mods and admins, time flies fast and it seems a bit early to introduce more, but congratulations on you bureaucrat rights BebopKate! Wait, so, with this incredibly long forum, It'll be my honor to have my nominations! Let the nominations begin! Derp :[ {{AurorSig}}
+We need to decide how we're going to do this first. Be sure to take a look at the poll at the top of the page.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}09:11, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
+{{Xion4ever|time=19:19, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=Before I make my statement I want to stress that if I am completely in the wrong, by all means, ignore it. Indeed I have been away from the Wiki and I do not know it's current state...at least not that well. Anywho, do we need a staff election right now? Yes, extra admins to help clean our image categories would be wonderful; however, creating a new election in under a month/two month period? What has happened to the Wiki (editing wise, mind you) that requires a sudden staff election? If this is the staff election for the upcoming release of BBS, I understand. If this is a staff election to make everyone feel better or to cool off some of the problems here, I disapprove. We can find better ways to solve Wiki-problems then hosting a staff election everytime a major problem happens.
+Before I continue, I want to stress that I AM NOT trying to hurt any feelings, or step on any toes. I just want to know if this is needed for the proper reasons. Also, my view is not a stunt to say "I don't want 'so and so' to become admins/mods." I don't want us to have to go through the <s>fun</s> long process of staff elections if it isn't needed. It's like going to a gas station when you have a full gas tank.
+Should we continue the plan to have a staff election: Cool. Good luck to all the nominees!
+About the idea of upgrading all active mods to admins, specifically myself. I am flattered and honored that DTN would speak on my behalf. Much appreciated. However, if the mods are upgraded, I don't want the "upgrade" to go to waste. I will still be very inactive for a long time, I'm not going to lie. Therefore, my edits will be very low and wouldn't be considered "admin-like." Once I resume full activity I would most certainly use the upgrade (should it happen), but that won't be for a long time. I'd much rather stay a mod and deserve it, than to be an admin and not deserve it. I leave the ultimate decision (for my mod/admin spot, whatever you want to call it), to the staff. Thank you.}}
+{{LapisScarab|time=19:26, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=We were going to elect new admins in August anyway, in preperation for BBS. It's one of the first things Kryten mentioned at the top of the page.}}
+{{Bluer|14:32, August 5, 2010 (UTC)|What Xion said basically sums up my own feelings about these so-called "staff elections", kupo. I know other Wikia wikis that work to create good articles, without the need to add more <s>staff</s> users with extra editing rights every two months, kupo.
+I've discussed this with BK, and in the end we've decided that the community should instead focus on mainspace edits from now on, and let the decision to acknowledge admins and mods the bureaucrat's business,}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Okay, the week for the poll is almost up, and I still haven't gotten a reply from the other inactive staff.
+*I have not been able to get ahold of Urutapu.
+*Xion4ever, are you officially saying you don't want to be promoted in this round?
+If so, then it looks like elections will be 2 direct promotions (Neumannz and TNE), two lay>admin, and six lay>mod. (more openings came up, I'm taking the safe road and assuming people want them to go to modships)
+I'll start up the nominations forums tomorrow, depending on if this happens to change between now and then, and we can proceed from there.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|By the way, this is probably the place to officially note that starting Tuesday, I am going to be inactive/retired. I'll try to come in on the weekends, or if I get time at night, but it's going to be less than 1% of the activity I have now.}}
+{{Chitalian8|time=20:33, August 7, 2010 (UTC)|text= NOO!!!! For the little time that I have been here, I think I can speak for most everyone when I say that you will be sorely missed.}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Are we talking permanently here, or temporarily?  I think I know the answer, but I can hope...'''}}
+{{KrytenKoro|We're talking approximately forty years, here.}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''<s>Hmmm...  Well, if I get the time machine working...</s>  Anyway, you will be dearly missed, and I know I've done some stupid things in the past, and I apologize (and for bugging you with too many messages).'''}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Okay, I've started the election thing [[Forum:Staff Elections 08-10|here]]. I added another space for a lay>mod, since I'm going to be inactive too, and we need TNE and Neummanz promoted to admin.}}
+sorry this is late...I'm remaining netural in this election, Kryten. I'm going to be inactive for A VERY long time, as such I don't want to be given admin powers and not use them for an extended period. Beats the purpose of electing staff who will be editing the wiki regularly, right? I'm leaving my "run" in this election up to the staff... if you guys want me to be admin, go for it. at the moment i will not be able to use the "powers," however, i promise to you that i would use them once i resumed full activity. if another admin spot is needed to be filled in order to elect new moderators, then by all means, promote me to an inactive admin. I honestly feel it better if I sit this election out due to my inactivity. again, i do not want to be given "powers" i don't deserve [inactive admin = not a good public view]. I'd much rather stay a moderator and deserve it. thanks. (i apologize for the lack of capitalization..computer problems)--[[User:Xion4ever|<span style="color:black">''Xion''</span>]][[User talk:Xion4ever|<span style="color:darkred">''4''</span>]][[User:Xion4ever/Atelier|<span style="color:maroon">''ever''</span>]] 22:38, August 13, 2010 (UTC)
+==Featured Users==
+{{KrytenKoro|Okay, here's what I was thinking, please comment on it:
+#Every month the wiki nominates a user who they feel has done the best job. This would operate the same way as previous admin elections, except each person would get one vote (not sure if staff can vote here) Comments if you want them.
+#At the beginning of the month (or possibly the last week), the staff would go through the top 2-3 nominees edits, and assess which one did the best work.
+##I've noticed in the past that in similar featured discussions, the most passionate staffer usually ends up making the decision. It might be a good idea to do simple votes at this level, since the staffers can be expected to not be doing a popularity vote.
+#The winner gets displayed on the front page, along with featured media, article, and gets a badge on their userpage. As an added bonus, it might be nice for someone to make an official artwork/sprite/whatever of the featured user.
+##We might need to discuss what happens if a featured user ends up elected to a staff position. Do they keep their userpage badge?
+}}
+{{Auror Andrachome|text=I like the plan, with a few tweeks and steaks it could be great!}}
+{{LapisScarab|time=20:28, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think users should keep the badge even if they're made staff members. It wouldn't be fair to remove the recognition. I get that it's kind of unfair to the current staff, who I suppose are ineligible to begin with, but that's purely because the award came about after they became staff. Plus, the user in question wouldn't be able to win again after he/she becomes a staff member.}}
+{{SilverCrono|text=Yeah, Kryten, that sounds good.}}
+{{Maggosh|detroit=Novel idea, Kryten. I approve.}}
+{{Dan da Man36|time=20:42, August 3, 2010 (UTC)|lion=This idea is sounding good, and I agree with Lapis; Users elected to a staff position should be allowed to keep their badges. Maybe a time / date stamp could be incorporated into the badge to show that it was given to them before they were staff-ed?}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Okay, timestamp....is there some way to present an image so that you can post text over it? Or would we just modify the badge every month?
+Also, do we want the badges to be themed (Beast's Castle emblem for February, Halloween Town emblem for October), or should they just be something like the max-rank Gummi Badge, modified for the date? Personally, I think the latter would work best, but the first is still doable.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|I started the page [[KHWiki:Votes for featured users|here]]. The rules might change depending on what we end up deciding, but I think we're close enough now to go ahead for this month.}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Hey, Kryten, when the user gets on the front page, is there going to be, say, a little description about them, why they were chosen, or maybe an edit count?  'Cause just throwing a name up in a box seems a bit bland.'''}}
+{{KrytenKoro|I guess we could do a little summary of the edits they did that month, but there's not much to say. What about a fake little promotional story, along the same lines as a chuck norris thing?
+The edit count would be cool, yeah.}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Yes, I can see it now:  ''ShardofTruth can make an image move locations by looking at it.'' <small>  Wait, he probably can do that... </small>'''}}
+{{Bluer|14:38, August 5, 2010 (UTC)|Alternatively, we could give Wikia's "Achievements" feature a try. Read about it here:
+[http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Achievements Wikia Achievements Help page]
+Basically, the "Achievements" use a user edit count to gauge them,}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''I always wondered why some wikis had auto badges like that.  I was trying to find the code for this wiki, as we were discussing the mereit badges thing.  </fail>'''}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Wouldn't those badges foster the same kind of "edit for editcount's sake" mentality that people were worried about when we first brought this up?}}
+{{The Inexistent|text='''Yeah, I mentioned that on the blog on community central, that it will probably just generate sub standard edits and vandalism for the sake of badges.  I was thinking we would only do it in, say increments 100 or 500, so someone who really wanted it would have to really work.'''}}
+{{LA|Vtext=If you take a gander at my image gallery on Fanon Wiki, I have quite a few full body images I have drawn myself. That, and photoshop, I'd be willing to help out with the images.
+EDIT: And Bluer, when "User Badges" were first opened up, I was fully referring to Achievments. So, it's a plan.}}