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#{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} - via YouTube walkthrough ([https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhcSrKyqhfh5gWWmRv4rISACTyrZbPPsS Everglow8444]). | #{{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} - via YouTube walkthrough ([https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhcSrKyqhfh5gWWmRv4rISACTyrZbPPsS Everglow8444]). | ||
*Notice: Until the game (and its variations) are completely released, we'll be constantly updating this. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} | |||
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*Though, until the official soundtrack is released (supposedly later this year) we should refrain from creating new articles for songs that first appeared in KHIII. For songs already used in the series, I don't personally see a problem. But we'll have to confirm it's not a variation of the song that is renamed in the KH3 OST. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} | |||
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Therefore, it is my opinion that we can safely and fairly upload the entirety of music tracks from the series onto the wiki for the purpose of these music articles. There is no reason to believe Square Enix would mind, and there is a logical argument for our use of them to fall under Fair Use. I only advise caution with two tracks, those being "{{wl|Simple and Clean}}" and "{{wl|Sanctuary}}". On YouTube, those are the only tracks that are ever taken down in connection to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series, and the openings and credits are always muted voluntarily or by force (in which case, the whole video ends up muted). The reason is that unlike "{{wl|Dearly Beloved}}" and "{{wl|Daydream Upon Neverland}}", Square Enix doesn't hold the rights to "Simple and Clean" and "Sanctuary", [[wikipedia:EMI Music Japan|EMI Music Japan Inc.]] does. It's noted in the game credits and such, and when the videos are taken down, EMI Music Japan is noted to have made the claim, not Square Enix. But other than those two tracks, I personally believe that we are in the clear when it comes to uploading the tracks to the wiki. And the way the wiki's set up, we don't make it easy for people to download the entirety of any album from the wiki, as the files are in .ogg (a generally unsupported format when it comes to personal music playback) and each file is on its own separate page, making downloading files a tedious and time-costly time. Thus, I believe that we would not be violating copyright laws by uploading the full tracks to the wiki.}} | Therefore, it is my opinion that we can safely and fairly upload the entirety of music tracks from the series onto the wiki for the purpose of these music articles. There is no reason to believe Square Enix would mind, and there is a logical argument for our use of them to fall under Fair Use. I only advise caution with two tracks, those being "{{wl|Simple and Clean}}" and "{{wl|Sanctuary}}". On YouTube, those are the only tracks that are ever taken down in connection to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series, and the openings and credits are always muted voluntarily or by force (in which case, the whole video ends up muted). The reason is that unlike "{{wl|Dearly Beloved}}" and "{{wl|Daydream Upon Neverland}}", Square Enix doesn't hold the rights to "Simple and Clean" and "Sanctuary", [[wikipedia:EMI Music Japan|EMI Music Japan Inc.]] does. It's noted in the game credits and such, and when the videos are taken down, EMI Music Japan is noted to have made the claim, not Square Enix. But other than those two tracks, I personally believe that we are in the clear when it comes to uploading the tracks to the wiki. And the way the wiki's set up, we don't make it easy for people to download the entirety of any album from the wiki, as the files are in .ogg (a generally unsupported format when it comes to personal music playback) and each file is on its own separate page, making downloading files a tedious and time-costly time. Thus, I believe that we would not be violating copyright laws by uploading the full tracks to the wiki.}} | ||
It's one thing to believe that they wouldn't come after us. However, it's another thing if they did come after us. Truth be told, so long as we can argue that we have a right to using the full tracks, I'm okay with using the full length...so long as we are prepared for the worst case scenario. My worry is that they will come after us- for whatever reason. Are there any other Wikis that do use the full length track? Last I remember, most followed the thirty second rule. Should they demand a removal of the full track, we can easily do that and go back to thirty second snip-its. Wasn't there an older discussion on this somewhere? (Perhaps Kryten would remember?) {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 20:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC) | It's one thing to believe that they wouldn't come after us. However, it's another thing if they did come after us. Truth be told, so long as we can argue that we have a right to using the full tracks, I'm okay with using the full length...so long as we are prepared for the worst case scenario. My worry is that they will come after us- for whatever reason. Are there any other Wikis that do use the full length track? Last I remember, most followed the thirty second rule. Should they demand a removal of the full track, we can easily do that and go back to thirty second snip-its. Wasn't there an older discussion on this somewhere? (Perhaps Kryten would remember?) {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 20:49, 4 April 2015 (UTC) | ||
==Reopening== | |||
===On composition sections - What to include?=== | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=17:37, 16 June 2020 (UTC)|text=Since we're going to have even more music articles to mess with in the future *cough* Melody of Memories *cough* I'm revisiting the music articles/reopening this thread. As I mentioned in our Discord server, I forget when exactly we discussed it, but I recall us wanting to trim the composition sections? Something along the lines of determining what was truly noteworthy to have in the article. | |||
To me, the composition sections are basically musical "fluff" that we can add just to add to the article to help readers understand some of the musical things taking place- hence the musical jargon and analysis. However, I think, for our sanity and sake, the music articles are fine without that specific section- especially to finish creating the individual music articles to wipe out this eyesore of text: [[List of Kingdom Hearts series tracks|click]]. That said, if we want to still add the Composition sections to each individual music article but place a <nowiki>{{sec-stub}}</nowiki> template on it, that's fine by me.}} | |||
{{TheSilentHero|time=17:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)|text=Maybe we could only cover length, tempo, and instruments used, without going into full detail of what plays when. That way we'd still have some content on these pages, but it shouldn't take too long to add. (I think. I don't know how you figure out something like tempo.)}} | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=18:44, 16 June 2020 (UTC)|text=I agree that length, tempo, and instruments used should at least be the bare minimum we cover. I get the argument on the composition section length though. I'm split because as a music person, I think it's cool to know what all is happening in a piece. However, to a non-music person, it might just seem like a bunch of irrelevant nonsense. Going further, for the music pages I've created, I've done my best to check tempos with a metronome, including any fluctuations due to tempo changes/different versions between different games/etc, and checking with official sheet music where available (Example: the piano collections). That said, a lot of the more descriptive stuff ["fluff"] can be highly subjective...which alone might warrant not using because it's too opinionated/interpretive. Even certain instruments may seem opinionated depending on the person- more rare of an occasion, but it is possible. I recall TNE and I discussing a piece that we felt had two different instruments.}} | |||
===On game appearance order - Chronological or Release Order?=== | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=20:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)|text=Hero posed this question online earlier: <big>'''''"Shouldn't the game sections be in release order?"'''''</big> | |||
There is no mention of this in the previous forums or in the music section of our Manual of Style. (At least, none that I have uncovered.) Seeing as I how I created most of the individual track articles, my only reasoning on their current flow- which majority follows chronological- is that it was established once on an article years ago and we never questioned the order since. | |||
I'm down for whatever we decide. I can see pros and cons to both ways. | |||
For chronological, thinking of the music articles as an extension of the gameplay...So, like [[Aero]], an ability, or [[Traverse Town|setting/area of a world]]. Chronological helps keep the continuity/set the scene or add a bit of depth. To not have it in chronological order is like zig-zagging across the series. | |||
For release order, it helps explain why the HD remakes have better recordings (yay orchestras by ''actual'' orchestras!) and sometimes variations or additions in actual music.}} | |||
{{TheSilentHero|time=20:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)|text=To me, chronological order only makes sense for stuff like story. Other things "evolve" over time. Like, the BBS tracks are newer than the KH1 tracks. So it would make sense to order them by release.}} | |||