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{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:10, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|text=Hey, guys! As part of '''MegaProject: Arise''', it was decided yesterday to revamp the Main Page. We would like the community's opinions on what we should change and how to revamp the Main Page. What should we have on the Main Page, and how can we make it more appealing so that we can increase community activity? Discuss!}} | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=18:10, 12 April 2014 (UTC)|text=Hey, guys! As part of '''MegaProject: Arise''', it was decided yesterday to revamp the Main Page. We would like the community's opinions on what we should change and how to revamp the Main Page. What should we have on the Main Page, and how can we make it more appealing so that we can increase community activity? Discuss!}} | ||
==Discussion== | ==Pre-Launch== | ||
===Discussion=== | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=03:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|text=So I think one of the things we need to change is the Command Board. It should be more prominent and more updated in telling the community what needs work, so that way, passing and new visitors can feel like they have something to contribute to.}} | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=03:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)|text=So I think one of the things we need to change is the Command Board. It should be more prominent and more updated in telling the community what needs work, so that way, passing and new visitors can feel like they have something to contribute to.}} | ||
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===Reopening, for reals...=== | ====Reopening, for reals...==== | ||
{{Xion4ever|time=03:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|talktext=<small>Alternate title was {{w|Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)|Better Homes and Gardens}}: Wiki Style.</small> Whew, it's been a while...About two months to be exact. >_> Since the magazine and podcast are well on their way, how about we get this project rolling? I know Keyblade has waited very patiently for some contributions. I'm sorry my two cents, for whatever they are worth, are late. ^_^; Alrighty then... | {{Xion4ever|time=03:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)|talktext=<small>Alternate title was {{w|Better Homes and Gardens (magazine)|Better Homes and Gardens}}: Wiki Style.</small> Whew, it's been a while...About two months to be exact. >_> Since the magazine and podcast are well on their way, how about we get this project rolling? I know Keyblade has waited very patiently for some contributions. I'm sorry my two cents, for whatever they are worth, are late. ^_^; Alrighty then... | ||
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{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)|default=I thought the wanted files is already part of the command board/helping out. Also, I don't like the idea of having game portals. They seem redundant when the Wiki has already organised clear navboxes, search engines and categories. In most cases, if someone is looking for a particular thing, they can find it easily. So I don't think the portals are worth having. I agree with everything else.}} | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)|default=I thought the wanted files is already part of the command board/helping out. Also, I don't like the idea of having game portals. They seem redundant when the Wiki has already organised clear navboxes, search engines and categories. In most cases, if someone is looking for a particular thing, they can find it easily. So I don't think the portals are worth having. I agree with everything else.}} | ||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Project Page | {{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=01:52, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Ok, [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 7|<font color=#FFFFFF>Here is the draft</font>]]. It isn't finished yet, I'll get to that later. But so far, this is what I've been able to do. What do you guys think?}} | ||
{{Xion4ever|time=20:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Before I comment on Keyblade's draft, I feel like this should be said. | {{Xion4ever|time=20:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)|text=Before I comment on Keyblade's draft, I feel like this should be said. | ||
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Learning from the Zelda Wiki means learning from the best, I really like their portals but keep in mind that our wiki works very differently template-wise and at least from my point of view linking pages with similiar content works better on our end which is of course mostly due to the different focus of both game series where most Zelda games stand alone and are not so heaviliy connected.<br> | Learning from the Zelda Wiki means learning from the best, I really like their portals but keep in mind that our wiki works very differently template-wise and at least from my point of view linking pages with similiar content works better on our end which is of course mostly due to the different focus of both game series where most Zelda games stand alone and are not so heaviliy connected.<br> | ||
I really like their community portal though: It's tidy and focusses on the most important aspects of the communty work, unlike our Traverse Town which is hard to navigate and cluttered. At least in my opinion not every special site has to be linked, not every tool presented for every-day purposes. If you're a senior editor you know where this stuff is and how to use it but the community portal should be for new and causaul editors and should therefore only contain the most vital and important pages. This is certainly also true for the main page itself.}} | I really like their community portal though: It's tidy and focusses on the most important aspects of the communty work, unlike our Traverse Town which is hard to navigate and cluttered. At least in my opinion not every special site has to be linked, not every tool presented for every-day purposes. If you're a senior editor you know where this stuff is and how to use it but the community portal should be for new and causaul editors and should therefore only contain the most vital and important pages. This is certainly also true for the main page itself.}} | ||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=23:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I'm so grateful that you guys have actually come to contribute. So first off, Thanks! | |||
Now, on to business. I've asked, and the people at the Zelda Wiki are ok with us using their code to make the portals. I really think this could be something that would prove a) useful, b)fun, cool, visually appealing, and c) uses/harnesses the freedom that we obtained when we split Wikia, which was a big point in the last discussion. So I will go ahead and try it out on the draft. Answering some points: | |||
*I don't think white is a good color, though I will try it, but I think that just sends us back to where we are today, a rather-plain Main Page. | |||
*Regarding Traverse Town, it's a plain mess, and the section reflects that. I'll be honest, I haven't gotten to organizing that section. I don't know if I was understood, maybe I rambled too much, but I left it like that because we had mentioned merging Current Happenings, Helping Out, and Command Board to Traverse Town. At least for me, I had to figure out where exactly those sections would go in the Community Portal before I organized the section on the Main Page. Which is why it's still a mess, I ran out of time yesterday, though I will try and get it organized today or tomorrow at latest. I feel that Traverse Town should be a place for all editors, hence a community portal, not a beginner's portal. However, that can be discussed on the [[Forum:MegaProject: Arise - Traverse Town Project|<font color=#FFFFFF>Traverse Town Reconstruction forum</font>]]. | |||
*Three columns was a fear at first for me because of the ads, but a test yesterday revealed that the ads are actually pushed out a bit, so I'm really hoping this is accepted. | |||
*The Quote is there for personal sentimental reasons (ok, not sentimental). Unlike the Trivia, Quote of the Moment I think is a pretty nice addition and it has a ton of sources to get from ([[:Category:Quotes|<font color=#FFFFFF>Category:Quotes</font>]]). However, I realize that it will ultimately be removed. Perhaps it will be put somewhere in Traverse Town, or something. We'll see. I'll remove it for now. | |||
*The LP is definitely a placeholder for now. I'll remove it, unless we can find something better to replace it. | |||
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{{Xion4ever|time=04:13, 25 June 2014 (UTC)|text=I, too, was also under the impression that quote of the moment was scrapped. As for Traverse Town: Go with Neummanz's suggestion on making the sub-box, using the three headings 15 came up with. Replacing the Let's Play: We can always put on the KHWiki:Let's Play (whatever official page we have for it) something like "Coming soon!" Websites do that all the time. As for revamping Traverse Town: this should probably go on the other forum, but to me, Traverse Town should be a unique mixture of important links/stuff for new people to know, but at the same time, have some actual worth to older editors. I'm not entirely sure how to pull this off, though.}} | |||
===Examples/Tests=== | |||
I've got [http://1drv.ms/1sDeKFN this] and [http://1drv.ms/1q6BJay this] as tests of the ideas we've thrown in here. And of course, the [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 7|draft]]. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:41, 25 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 16:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)|persuade=If we're going to implement portals, instead of having them only be a bunch of links and redundant to the navigation boxes, I have an idea to make them more original. Having all sixteen titles may seem daunting to a newcomer unfamiliar with the series so we could add basic statistics at the top of each hover menu. This is for the benefit for those wishing to understand every title in the series without being confused about remakes or recollections (at least this is what I have tried to do many times when looking at other Wikis). The statistics can include: | |||
*Platform | |||
*Region (JP only or international?) | |||
*<small>If an original game:</small> Adaptations (list any Final Mixes or ReMIXes) | |||
*<small>If a Final Mix:</small> Adaptation of... | |||
*<small>If a ReMIX:</small> Remasters of... (list the games the collection contains) | |||
Then, the links to all the categories can go at the end of the hover menu. Thoughts on this? | |||
EDIT: Just a note. The three columns doesn't work well when viewing it with a mobile device. How big a problem is that?}} | |||
:15's suggestion on the portals sounds fine to me. On the portal information, in general: We don't have to have every single category or topic known to mankind about the game. Just a brief/general list of noteworthy things. If we make the portals too complex/full not only are they redundant as 15 said, but we'll be throwing a lot of information at the viewer. As for the mobile device: All things considered? I'd say that is minor. Most people won't be looking at it from their phones- though some definitely will. I say we aim for as many fronts as we can, without compromising the main front [computers]. Also, wherever we can place a vote, I vote for a colored background. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 23:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
I'll do what I can to limit the information. See, I don't think its redundant because the portals remain on the main page. It acts more like a gateway to the game page and all its related pages. But I will do what I can to get to a compromise. As far as mobile. To be honest, the page does very poorly on mobile currently, and I don't think there should be too much a difference. However, I'm really inspired from watching Google I/O, so I might look into developing a dedicated and better mobile page (and perhaps an app?). Regardless, I feel we should not worry too much about the mobile version, because for the most part it shouldn't be too different from how it appears now. | |||
More examples, this time the portal in practice. [http://1drv.ms/1sJ8e0p here] and [http://1drv.ms/1sJ8fl0 here] {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 00:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First, two more screenshots. We've got [http://1drv.ms/1qplpBL <font color=#FFFFFF>this</font>] and [http://1drv.ms/1k3QL9s <font color=#FFFFFF>this</font>]. What do you guys think? Does it meet that compromise of information/stats over just links. | |||
I think it's okay. I'm having a little trouble with the coding, but I'm sure that it'll sort itself out soon. As far as the rest of the page, are we good? Any other suggestions/ideas/additions? If you need to, the draft [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 7|<font color=#FFFFFF>is right here</font>]]. I feel that if we finish designing the main page, we should get it on the actual main page, even if it's without the portals. We could add those later, if needed. That is, of course, if they're not ready when the rest of the page is finalized.}} | |||
I'm liking the portals so far. I actually do use my phone fairly often, but not usually to visit the main page, so the three columns won't be a big impact, practically speaking, but it's not nice to see like that. At some point we should fix that. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 14:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
:I like the portals too. I think we should have two rows of portals, one of main releases and the other of remasters so "newbies" can comprehend the series quicker. Also, on each hover menu, we should say which game it is chronologically. Like always, the problem comes with CoM and Days since CoM is sandwiched between two halves of Days. We should release the main page after the portals are fixed; there's no rush to have it out there. The mobile problem can be fixed with the potential app that will happen. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:15, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
::I'll definitely split them into two rows. I was going to list them chronologically, actually, but, as you noted, it gets complicated with KHCOM and KH358, since they happen simultaneously. Again, a [[Kingdom Hearts (series)/Timeline|timeline]] would be great. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 17:14, 2 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:42, 5 July 2014 (UTC)|TRON=The Main Page is complete as suggestions given here go! Images will go up tomorrow! | |||
'''EDIT''': [http://1drv.ms/1m3czXD <font color=#FFFFFF>Here is a link to the entire folder of screenshots</font>]. The last five are from today. As of right now, the Main Page and Portals are complete. What do you guys think? Is it good? Do we want to add more to the Main Page?}} | |||
:Looks like it's ready for release. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 18:34, 5 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
===Finished!=== | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=21:16, 5 July 2014 (UTC)|happy=It's finished! The new Main Page is up! Please, feedback is necessary! There are some known bugs, and there's a request for using something other than the game icons in the game portals. So if there're any changes you guys want, be sure to list them. | |||
Guys, thanks so much for helping me with this project. I know I couldn't have done this without your help. Thanks to you guys, another huge project to MegaProject: Arise has been completed. Honestly, from the bottom of my heart: | |||
[[File:Tron Thanks KHII.gif|center]] | |||
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==Post-Launch== | |||
===Known Issues=== | |||
'''UPDATED:''' July 9, 2014 | |||
*<s>Game portals do not work in Vector and RoundedBlue. Reason: CSS for Portals is missing in [[MediaWiki:Vector.css]] and [[MediaWiki:Roundedblue.css]]</s> | |||
*Mobile version does not look good with the three columns. The hope right now is that the mobile extension Porplemontage will install will fix this issue. It's somehow connected with logging-in... | |||
**Earlier today it looked fine when I was not logged in, but wrong after I did. Now it looks fine, except column 3 slightly extends outside the box. Can someone else verify before this gets crossed out? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 05:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
===Further Feedback=== | |||
If I might offer my two cents, I would like to comment specifically on the color. The solid gray seems a bit flat, as there are really no breaks in it. Additionally, it makes the borders of the boxes faint. The Bublbapedia main page, for instance, breaks it up nicely with multiple neutral colors. It seems as if we are trying to emphasize the middle column especially, so, perhaps, a more emphasizing color there would be a good start? | |||
Also, if I might make another suggestion, I feel it would be useful for organizational purposes to make the content of the content-heavy boxes into templates (like Featured User or Featured Article currently have) so that each part of the page can be identified and modified more quickly if needed. Given that it is not updated super-often, this might not be necessary, but it wouldn't be bad either way. '''<small>[[User talk:Obitus|<font color=#70003D>Lord</font>]] [[User:Obitus|<font color=#70003D>Obitus</font>]]</small>''' 20:52, 6 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=04:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)|TRON=First of all, just a fun note, since the wiki's launch in 2006, the Main Page has now been changed fourteen times, including changes to the color scheme. The fourteenth update was the one I released yesterday, released in 2014. It's the same with the last two updates. Version 12 was released in 2012 for ''[[Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance|<font color=#FFFFFF>Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance</font>]]'' and Version 13 was released in 2013 for ''[[Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX|<font color=#FFFFFF>Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 ReMIX</font>]]'' Strange, right? | |||
Anyways. I will try and use other neutral colors, if that's the consensus. How would we do it? Like, what kinds of colors do you guys want, and where would they go? It would have to be grays, since that's the current color scheme, especially with ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX'' coming up. I feel for ''Kingdom Hearts HD 2.5 ReMIX'', the theme would be light grays and, looking closely, a dark purple. You guys can have fun with that. As for your other suggestion, I'm not sure what you mean. Most of the content is in templates already, with the exception of Traverse Town, and I don't think there's a point in moving that, since it's not meant to change, like at all. The Trinity Archives also aren't in a template, and I guess it could be moved to a template, if we wanted to. But, it'd still be updated, just not directly on the Main Page. | |||
Version 14.05 is in testing in the [[User:KeybladeSpyMaster/Gadget Lab/Project Page 7|<font color=#FFFFFF>Draft page</font>]]. If you guys feel the need, go ahead and edit it yourselves, play with the test page. Just, you know, please don't vandalize it. Please... Also, just a heads up: I'm re-organizing my userspace this week, specifically my Gadget Lab and associated Project Pages. That includes the location of the Main Page Draft, so if you find a sudden empty page where the draft is supposed to be, you now know why...}} | |||
{{ShardofTruth|time=20:18, 7 July 2014 (UTC)|talk=The new main page looks great, so congrats to everyone involved and especially to you KeybladeSpyMaster. Two things though: Maybe the Player, Chirishii and the Fortellers should be included in the KHX template as characters and secondly we should probably redesign the game symbols to make them look a bit prettier or at least remove the white background. Soxra did someting similiar with the images at the Keyhole before he retired ([http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/wiki/File:KH2_icon.png here]), what do you think?}} | |||
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I currently haven't experimented with the colors yet, but I have played with the SEIWA template. On smaller monitors, the triple columns significantly compressed the look (as seen [http://i.imgur.com/2AkUfiQ.png here], making it look broken and awkward. After a little modification, I got [http://i.imgur.com/awloR6c.png this] look on the same scale monitor. It both keeps continuity and reduces space consumption. The downside, I suppose, would be that it makes the appearance more "vertical," if that makes sense, which makes it blend a little too much. More or less, I think this version or one similar should be implemented. Additionally, I think coloring the logo image itself red would be of benefit to the page, as the grey brushstroke on the gray background is very flat-looking. {{User:Obitus/sig/temp}} 06:02, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
'''Edit: 06:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)'''<br/> | |||
So, my color testing is done. The version I would like to put forth is [[User:Obitus/colortest|here]]. I added a lighter background to each content area to make them pop more and gave a three-point gradient to the portal area so it stands out even more. The gradient seems like a bit much, though. | |||
For the sake of easy comparison, [http://i.imgur.com/mFqf1ed.png here] is the current page versus my current revision ([http://i.imgur.com/31F0BxO.png with] or [http://i.imgur.com/vYfqC16.png without] the gradient). Highlighting the backgrounds makes the content pop more, methinks, though, again, I don't know about the gradient. | |||
The unevenness in the example images is due mainly to modifications I made in the templates for the sake of space saving. {{User:Obitus/sig/temp}} 06:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=15:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)|TRON=I really like the changes, except the gradient. Perhaps we should not do a gradient as a background? Anyone else?}} | |||
:Agreed. The changes are good except the gradient. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:14, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
{{KeybladeSpyMaster|time=05:10, 11 July 2014 (UTC)|TRON=Regarding the links that were added back, I think they should be removed (and I deliberately removed them) because those links are in Traverse Town and on the Navigation Bar, and since the point is to emphasize Traverse Town, I find them redundant now. Not to mention the welcome banner looks cleaner. However, I'd like to know what everyone else thinks.}} | |||
====Clean Up of the Month=== | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 12:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)|default=Should we give the CUotM more attention by replacing the "There are projects that need your help! Come to the Third District!" part of the Traverse Town box with the latest Clean Up instead? Then, we can add at the end, "Visit the rest of the Third District to other projects and more find more ways to help out". Thoughts?}} | |||
==The Mobile Home Page== | |||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 12:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)|default=Porple has said that we can design an alternate main page specifically for the mobile view (see [[Forum:Mobile Issues]]). At the moment, the mobile main page is a whole load of scrolling down bland text and resized images. What should we do to change this? I have no concrete ideas at the moment; all I'm thinking is we need to reduce the amount of content to make the home page more compact. Thoughts?}} | |||
:Not sure about you guys, but when I'm using the Wiki on my phone, which isn't very often, I'm looking to see what edits have been made/checking out articles. That in mind, to me, I'm up for some information clipping for the mobile version. Trinity Archives and some type of variation to our game portals for information on both the Wiki and games. {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 02:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||