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{{DTN|time=07:02, January 9, 2011 (UTC)|text=After discussing this point with a fellow administator via IRC, it has come to my attention that a plethora of our "active" staff are not active ''at all''. Just as we did several months ago, I feel that it is time to label additional administrators and moderators as retired editors--again, nobody will lose their user rights or position, but will merely be moved off of the active staff panel. | {{DTN|time=07:02, January 9, 2011 (UTC)|text=After discussing this point with a fellow administator via IRC, it has come to my attention that a plethora of our "active" staff are not active ''at all''. Just as we did several months ago, I feel that it is time to label additional administrators and moderators as retired editors--again, nobody will lose their user rights or position, but will merely be moved off of the active staff panel. | ||
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Bluerfn, ENX, and, to an extent, Ultima fall into the same category as LevL from what I remember. I've seen them around, just not as frequently as normal. I don't know if I'd call them completely inactive. EDIT: Huh, Bluer was less active recently than I thought.}} | Bluerfn, ENX, and, to an extent, Ultima fall into the same category as LevL from what I remember. I've seen them around, just not as frequently as normal. I don't know if I'd call them completely inactive. EDIT: Huh, Bluer was less active recently than I thought.}} | ||
{{LA|Vtext=Doorsey, instead of pasting it, you could link it. I'd love to read it.}} | {{LA|Vtext=Doorsey, instead of pasting it, you could link it. I'd love to read it.}} | ||
: [[ | : [[finalfantasy:Forum:Staff Discussion#Discussion about Inactive Staff|Here you go.]] --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 08:14, January 9, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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Er... fingers. Typing. Whatever, you get it.}} | Er... fingers. Typing. Whatever, you get it.}} | ||
{{LapisScarab|time=03:09, January 12, 2011 (UTC)|text=What are you talking about? Ninja, Inexistent, LevL, myself, and The Dark Master are still all regular users. Disagreeing with someone is not that same as not listening. | |||
And Inexistent, editcount is not all that matters. Soxra and other users have given reasons as to why they disagree with some of the suggestions, but it's a big Wiki, we're not always going to agree. | |||
Lastly, again, what about Xion4ever? Will she be listed as Inactive?}} | |||
{{The Inexistent|dusk='''I meerly meant mainspace. Some users do infact, believe it or not, judge on edit count. But experienced editors don't (shouldn't), and instead look for what namespaces these edits are in. When someone assumes "oh, they only undo vandalism, so they must not have very many mainspace edits", I meant that they should be checking Special:EditCount before assuming.'''}} | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=14:35, January 12, 2011 (UTC)|text=Allow me to get one main point across before I have to go: | |||
I agree to moving up all the nominated moderators [LevL, Ninja, and Lapis] with all my heart. Seriously, those users are freaking amazing, and NO ONE can deny that. | |||
Now, about me being listed as inactive...If that is what the community feels it should do, do it! It's no lie I'm not as active as a staff member should be, we all know that. Although I do edit here as often as I can, I would understand completely if I was moved to the inactive staff list. No hard feelings, questions asked, etc. Let me give an insight about my inactivity: <small><small>outside of grounding, which expires in two years!</small></small> When Azul started losing activity in his Junior year, he was right. Junior year (at least for American users) is pure crazyiness. | |||
You have all the tests [ACT/SAT/your local and state Spring testing], every college visit card they can cram in your tiny mailbox, plenty- I repeat- PLENTY of homework from your classes (especially those taking Honors/AP courses), amongst your extra activities (band, teen court, mock trial, FPS, and what have you), then you squeeze in your church and family and you're pooped. Seriously, it's quite a typhoon. What's the point of this rant on schooling? Simple: I will still be inactive until this school year is over. I'm sorry, guys, I really am. I want to be here every day more than you all know, but it just isn't so. | |||
Like I promised earlier, I will/am getting on here more often than I have in the past. Don't view this rant as a plea to keep me off the inactive staff list- it's not. I'm giving a clearer insight to why I'm inactive and how long I will continue to be inactive. | |||
Finally, I disagree with removing any current staff members "power/rights" without their consent. They worked hard to get where they were, and when they don't show up for a while we give them the boot? Who knows what happened to them? Maybe they lost their internet service; maybe they are too busy with the real life. Who knows? But please, at least ask them if it's okay before everything is set in stone. I believe both DTN and Yuan's comment on the link DTN posted above about inactive staff were right on the head. [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Staff_Discussion#Discussion_about_Inactive_Staff click]. Final note: I don't see any reason to remove Bluer/Kate's b-crat powers or anything (I think I saw a little snip-it about this)- they've earned it and should keep it. If we need a new b-crat, then let Kryten/DTN/Neumannz have it. | |||
Thank you.}} | |||
{{EO|time=15:13, January 12, 2011 (UTC)|hooded=I personally think having another staff election is pointless. If you want to appoint a trusted user that wishes to stay here to watch over this Wiki as an admin/b-crat after we move, I really don't care, considering I'm planning on moving. I've all ready messaged DTN personally, saying that I plan to resume activity once we've moved to our new location. The only reason I have ceased consistent editing here is because the take-over by noobs and IP's has decreased my motivation. There is also the matter of school issues that keep me occupied, but just because I don't edit here daily any longer does not mean you can automatically assume I'm inactive. Once the move is completed, I shall be back doing the usual amount of editing. | |||
'''EDIT: 15:23, January 12, 2011 (UTC) PLEASE NOTE THAT AT OUR NEW LOCATION, I'LL POTENTIALLY BE CHANGING MY USER NAME!!!'''}} | |||
{{Auror Andrachome|happy=Now, let's see what Auror's going to say. Ninja and myself have '''never''' seen eye to eye. That's probably my fault. I pushed and I pushed, but, she wouldn't budge. As DTN said, it's long overdue that Ninja's been passed over for other users, as with LapisScarab as well. They have both been good users, and I believe they'll be even better moderators. Ninja may lose her temper, and naming of users, like "Sir DTN", is annoying to me, but, she's a good user, and so is LapisScarab. I have no comment on the promotion of [[User:LevL|LevL]]. | |||
The removal of mods, or admins is another thing. We should just remove their rights, and, if they come back, they'll be given them back. I say remove them, so, they won't appear in the list of admins that users occasionally go to for help. They'll message inactive admins, and they'll never get an answer. That's just my back-up plan. They do that on MySims Wiki, and it seems to be working for them fine.}} | |||
{{DTN|time=02:12, January 13, 2011 (UTC)|text=...you're kidding, right? [[finalfantasy:Forum:Staff Discussion|You obviously did not read the forum I linked to, Auror.]] (1) As already stated in the aforementioned thread off-wiki, that just makes more trouble for the bureaucrat, neither of which are exactly "easy" to contact quickly at this moment. (2) They'll message inactive admins, will they? Right, of course they will. ''Definitely not''; I mean, if I was an anon, the FIRST place I would look in the admin listing is the "INACTIVE" SECTION. Seriously, that's not an issue at all, I'm not sure how you perceived that. <!--We've also learned in the past that MySims Wiki isn't the most... cooperative. See "Amy Cotton.--> | |||
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Nextly, it seems that most of us are fine with the addition of one or two of the moderators. Obviously, some of us are disagreeing on the awesomeness of LapisScarab's section writing, LevL's super-gnoming, and NinjaSheik's reverting/all-around experience, the latter of which applies to all three of these. Since another of our mods, Xion4ever, has chosen to be labeled as inactive due to real life situations, this only opens up another spot. Honestly, this just makes it more justifiable to promote more users to mods, so I don't see why this is not ''another'' reason to select all three of these users as mods. | |||
Also, please do not feel like regular user opinion does not matter. That is not true in the slightest, SilverCrono and... other user(s). Granted, most of our staff members have more experience with the politics and gnoming that run a wiki, but this place is a dead tumbleweed without its community supporting it, ESPECIALLY in decisions. For example, the SEIWA has been a discussion largely fueled by the non-staff community. The result is that most of those notes on the revote forum are ideas of the community not just things the admins come up with. | |||
... also, moving away in eleven days, hooray! So let's get this rollin', because we don't even have two more weeks to wait.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|Wikia is able to change usernames without it simply being "sign up for a different name", so I assume that the DB should be able to handle it.}} | |||
{{The Inexistent|text='''@DTN [[User_talk:Scottch#Italian_Version|It's]] [[User_talk:XienZo#Good_enough?|happened]] [[User_talk:XienZo#Hi there|before]]...'''}} | |||
{{Organization 13|text=<small>I feel really out of place with all the big long comments so I'm just gonna say that I agree that NinjaSheik, Lapis and LevL should be mods.</small>}} | |||
{{Dan da Man36|time=08:59, January 16, 2011 (UTC)|happy=Still a bit bus-lagged from my journey home, so I'm keeping this short. | |||
*LapisScarab: '''Yes'''. He's an awesome, friendly, efficient, and highly intelligent and literate user. The work he's done on Design, Etymology, and many other article sections is absolutely amazing. | |||
*LevL: '''Yes'''. A really friendly user, he gets on with work that no-one else wants to bother to do. The best WikiGnome I've ever seen, I strongly agree that he should be appointed Moderator rights. | |||
*NinjaSheik: '''Yes'''. Her vandal-battling skills are second to none. Everyone loses their temper at times, but NinjaSheik has never lost her head completely. I really think she deserves Modship. | |||
So, it's a resounding "Yes" from me on the subject of appointing these three fantastic users as Moderators.}} | |||
{{TNE|time=22:26, January 16, 2011 (UTC)|attntext=I have come across all three users - Dan has already addressed what I wanted to say. All three get my vote. ^_^ | |||
Just to add on to what he said, NinjaSheik has been here reverting and blocking and contributing large chunks ever since mid-2009, and these contribs are the ones I remember till today.}} | |||
{{GS|time=18:56, January 19, 2011 (UTC)|text=With all of the previously anticipated games having been released, I just sort of lost my enthusiasm to make edits here. I don't doubt that with the new announcements and information pouring in recently that my activity here will increase, however, it's understandable if the community decides to put me into retirement. While I do find the administrator rights handy, the main thing I'm happy about is how much the wiki has grown since I first started making my edits here. It's really good to have seen it improve as much as it has and I have full faith in the community to make the right decisions. | |||
So do with my admin status as you all see fit, and even if I am put into retirement, it can always change again in the future I'm sure. | |||
As for the nominated moderators, I approve of them all and I'm sure they'd do an excellent job.}} | |||
{{BebopKate|time=04:38, January 20, 2011 (UTC)|text=Hey guys. I see we're back in staff selection mode. | |||
I apologize because what I thought was going to a month-or-so long break has turned out to be much longer than I anticipated. And alas, it's still not over yet. That pesky real life thing has hit me ''hard''. When only you are around to support yourself financially and mentally, it kind of takes a priority. | |||
More mods and staff? By all means. If you think we need a retired/inactive list, that's also fine. I know Bluer's been much more available than myself lately, but if another active bureaucrat is needed, then it should be done. | |||
I'm honestly not going to get any heartburn over taking a retired status, truth be told. The last couple of months have made me force to get my priorities in order, and unfortunately, a wiki about one of my favorite games has fallen to the bottom of the list amid concerns about family, friends, and health. And so it shall remain, alas, for the time being. | |||
I wish you guys luck with the move, and hope things go as smoothly as possible. Perhaps one day when things calm down, I'll be able to return on a more frequent basis.}} | |||
{{The Dark Master|time=--[[User:The Dark Master|The Dark Master]] 16:22, January 21, 2011 (UTC)|text=So shall we make Sheik,Lapis and Lev moderators.Sheik is a good user who tries her best to keep info safe from vandals,Lapis is a good editor and one of my greatest rivals on the wiki and Lev is good at editing here.}} | |||
{{Chitalian8|time=03:32, February 3, 2011 (UTC)|talk= Yeah, so... how much longer shall we wait 'till we give them mod rights? Are we waiting until we move to KHDB, or what?}} | |||