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{{Chitalian8|time=01:47, December 23, 2010 (UTC)|text= Slimmed down? Not at all. Compare the 2 pictures. | {{Chitalian8|time=01:47, December 23, 2010 (UTC)|text= Slimmed down? Not at all. Compare the 2 pictures. | ||
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I think you'll find that they are exactly alike. | I think you'll find that they are exactly alike. | ||
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:Nomura said it. He said that he wanted the bosses in, but put them in Mirage Arena so they could just be data simulations that wouldn't impact the overall plot like the Unknown and Vanitas Remnant do.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | :Nomura said it. He said that he wanted the bosses in, but put them in Mirage Arena so they could just be data simulations that wouldn't impact the overall plot like the Unknown and Vanitas Remnant do.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:55, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
I'm against merging this page as well as merging Armor of the Master with Eraqus. They are indeed simulations of other characters. But unlike the Absent Silhouettes and the like, these are given journal entries with their own names. These characters do not appear in these forms in any other occurrence and while it is true they're the same character in many ways, they are quite unique and distinct. Merging these would be like Merging Vanitas Remnant and Vanitas. Vanitas Remnant is obviously still Vanitas to some extent but they're quite separate as far as how the game encounters go. And they both have their own distinct journal entries as well. I oppose this merge. --[[File:Terra-Ansem.png|13px]]'''[[User:iZerox|<font color=darkred><big>i</big><small></small></font>]][[User talk:iZerox|<font color=orange><big>Zerox</big><small></small></font>]]'''[[File:Lea_Frisbee.png|30px]] 03:38, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | I'm against merging this page as well as merging Armor of the Master with Eraqus. They are indeed simulations of other characters. But unlike the Absent Silhouettes and the like, these are given journal entries with their own names. These characters do not appear in these forms in any other occurrence and while it is true they're the same character in many ways, they are quite unique and distinct. Merging these would be like Merging Vanitas Remnant and Vanitas. Vanitas Remnant is obviously still Vanitas to some extent but they're quite separate as far as how the game encounters go. And they both have their own distinct journal entries as well. I oppose this merge. --<!--[[File:Terra-Ansem.png|13px]]-->'''[[User:iZerox|<font color=darkred><big>i</big><small></small></font>]][[User talk:iZerox|<font color=orange><big>Zerox</big><small></small></font>]]'''[[File:Lea_Frisbee.png|30px]] 03:38, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
:Well, to build on that, No Heart is even more different from MX than AotM is from Eraqus, if you consider fighting styles. AotM, at least, builds on many of Eraqus's attacks from his boss battle<!--and the Lingering Will, it looks like--> in its own battle, but No Heart's style doesn't resemble either MX's or Terra-Xehanort's fighting styles, or anyone else's, as far as I can tell. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:52, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | :Well, to build on that, No Heart is even more different from MX than AotM is from Eraqus, if you consider fighting styles. AotM, at least, builds on many of Eraqus's attacks from his boss battle<!--and the Lingering Will, it looks like--> in its own battle, but No Heart's style doesn't resemble either MX's or Terra-Xehanort's fighting styles, or anyone else's, as far as I can tell. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:52, February 6, 2011 (UTC) | ||
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{{Xabryn|text=He does use Marluxia's petals in the beggining and I'm almost sure that they have rhe same voice actor in Re:CoM but aside from this I don't think we have anything that explicit claim that the Unknown in CoM was Marluxia maybe the ultimania or an interview may provide more info}} | {{Xabryn|text=He does use Marluxia's petals in the beggining and I'm almost sure that they have rhe same voice actor in Re:CoM but aside from this I don't think we have anything that explicit claim that the Unknown in CoM was Marluxia maybe the ultimania or an interview may provide more info}} | ||
Whoawhoawhoa. Regarding the Jesse McCartney thing that Lapis brought up, I'd say that's a different case. Voices can be easily imitated. Look at Bret Iwan doing Mickey, I couldn't tell him apart from Wayne Allwine. However, we can use given evidence to prove that No Heart is, in fact, MX's armor. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 22:22, 25 June 2011 (EDT) | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=22:51, 25 June 2011 (EDT)|text=And that's part of my point. If we're going to say "absolutely 100% no speculation" like we have in the past, then that's just not going to slide as proof. Nothing we know prooves 100% what No Heart is. If we're going to keep the article as it is now, then we'd need to change that policy a bit.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|The fact that his name is "No Heart", which Nomura has explicitly said is Xehanort's name-meaning, is enough for me, even ignoring the fact that it's Xehanort's armor, Keyblade, and attacks. But if we're going as far as "if you can't see their face, or Nomura doesn't say it specifically, it's an Unknown", then that would apply to CoM Marluxia too. There is no identifying information for him, besides in the non-canon manga -- the assumption that he is Marluxia is down to process of elimination, not anything explicit.}} | |||
{{Xabryn|text=Would it really make that much of difference to change Marluxia in CoM to Unknown? I mean aside from [[The Unknown (disambiguation)|this page]] we don't mention him being the Unknown we see a the beginning of CoM anywhere else. | |||
Edit:10:01, 2 July 2011 (EDT) oh, and also I think that Marluxia's case as the Unknown is different since we have some story as base, the Unknown use Marluxia's petals has his voice and knows Axel, not to mention that in CoM he is the only character to appear hooded.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|The irony is staggering. | |||
There's no explicit word from Nomura that "The CoM Unknown is Marluxia". This is the credit you are using to say "We don't know if No Heart is based on Master Xehanort's armor", and it is in fact a stronger claim than the latter. If No Heart goes, then CoM Unknown ''absolutely'' goes.}} | |||
{{LapisScarab|time=13:45, 2 July 2011 (EDT)|text=Whatever, I'll go with that. I withdraw my argument.}} | |||
{{Xabryn|text=Oh for crying out loud, ALL the info we got that points to MX also points to other characters, we can't be sure of anything unless Nomura give us MX wearing the armor or he says that the armor belong to him. Besides all I said was that I THINK that Marluxia case is different due to the fact that the Unknown in CoM actually have some story, some voice, and the hints we have on him only points to one character. But fine do whatever you want. I give up}} | |||
{{CaelumLucisCaliga|time=17:07, 2 July 2011 (EDT)|confusion=In Re:CoM, the Unknown's voice is Marluxia's, the outfit looks most like Marluxia's, and pink petals appear around him. If we're talking about '''''strictly''''' CoM, then I'd seriously doubt Nomura would just change the characters ''cause he feels like it.''}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|Again, those are the ''exact'' points, not including the name and later use of the armor, that you are saying are not enough to validate No Heart. If we absolutely must be hardlined about this, then I'll give up and wait until the next Ultimania confirms it, but ''this street goes both ways''.}} | |||
== Is indicated to be Young Xehanort, not Old Xehanort == | |||
[http://www.mediafire.com/download/vf01a910fdv9xo4/xehanort+exp+record+%28full+size+translated%29.png Source].{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:43, 31 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:KH3 Ultimania: | |||
:ーWhat was the true identity of No Heart, who appeared in KH BbS FM? | |||
:Nomura: That was also Master Xehanort. That was the armour he used to wear a long time ago, and in this game he was wearing his current armour. | |||
So should this be merged into Xehanort with Game: No Heart added to the suite? --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 20:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I don't think so. It's treated as an armor battle.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:56, 4 March 2019 (UTC) | |||