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Alright i guess that makes sense, thanks for clearing it up.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:17, September 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | Alright i guess that makes sense, thanks for clearing it up.--My Keyblade + Your face = pwnage 15:17, September 5, 2010 (UTC)Chihuahuaman | ||
== Vanitas == | |||
{{Falcos|text=I don't know about you guys, but it seems pretty plain to me, Vanitas is not an Unversed. The line I am using in my argument: ''"They are what I ''[Vanitas]'' feel."'' I'm pretty sure that Vanitas isn't what Vanitas feels.}} | |||
Unversed are beings of pure evil manifested in physical form. Negativity, if you will. | |||
Vanitas is Ventus' darkness in physical form. And what does negativity beget? Darkness. He is technically Ventus' Unversed as he is his darkness embodied. All of his evils. As stated in a previous headline, he's considered the king Unversed because of this. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 16:09, September 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
{{Falcos|text=That's just it: All Unversed come from Vanitas. You can't have somebody's Unversed the same way you can a heartless or nobody. Vanitas came from Ven, not Vanitas, and all Unversed came from Vanitas. If you are going to continue this, please do so on the already existing argument that I didn't notice, on Vanitas's talkpage.}} | |||
{{Drake|time=10:10, October 7, 2010 (UTC)|text=I'm wondering why if the opening paragraph says Vanitas is the first Unversed, he isn't in the Gallery.}} | |||
== Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fairest one of all == | |||
Why is the magic mirror listed? He can't be an Unversed, he is a Disney villain. How can a Disney character be an Unversed? [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 22:15, October 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Gane talk:Magic Mirror]].{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}22:17, October 3, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== BBSFM Pallette Swaps == | |||
Hey Guys, Just Recently, The Famitsu Scan Shows The Unversed In Different Colors. That Means the Unversed Will Receive Pallette Swaps Just Like the Heartless. Check it Out, It's on the KHInsider Forums Under Birth by Sleep. Here's the Website http://forums.khinsider.com/birth-sleep/156123-bbsfm-famitsu-illusion-commands-monstro-ma.html | |||
{{Sac|text= You're right. It should be on the articles from ones we know for sure.}} | |||
:We already knew this, but we are waiting for the game to come out so that we can rip the pictures. There's nothing really to insert but the pictures.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 14:38, October 15, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== A Way to Tell? == | |||
The Floods are credited as representing irritation. I was thinking, could there be a way to tell what emotion each Unversed represents?[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 03:53, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
There's no way to know for sure. We only know that Floods represent irritation because Nomura said so.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}03:58, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
Well, wouldn't the Cursed Coach & the Symphony Master be jealousy, since that's the emotion credited to Lady Tremaine & her daughters? I'm hoping we can at least chip away at this a little. | |||
I'm not sure how accurate I can be on most of the boss Unversed, since those ones seem to be a complicated mix of different negative emotions. I'll try a few of them though: | |||
'''Flood'''; Lots of sudden, jerky movements as though bothered by something. Represents ''irritation''. | |||
'''Scrapper'''; Often moves in straight lines relative to the character's position (character is always the front end of the line), only curving around the character or running right past the character on rare occasion as though overly cautious of the character. Will sometimes appear to hug itself as though insecure and scan it's surroundings nervously while doing so. Represents ''nervousness''. | |||
'''Bruiser'''; Hits extremely hard, often using moves that would hit an entire crowd at once. Burns itself out and gives into fatigue after rampaging for too long, however. Represents ''anger''. | |||
'''Symphony Master'''; Conducts it's Unversed instruments, using them as nothing more than tools. Mostly acts all graceful, however will relatively frequently use a rather ungraceful combo as though enraged especially when an instrument is destroyed or things otherwise are not going as it planned. Represents ''lust for control'' and a ''superiority complex''. | |||
'''Iron Prisoner'''; Hits as hard as it can at every opportunity to, often using lengthy combos and overall never stopping to rest. Not as powerful when kept pent up. Will make attempts to trap it's target, though these attempts are quite telegraphed and relatively easy to avoid. 100% unchained, will even suck it's target in and try to take it's target down with it in a fiery explosion (albeit that gameplay-wise it won't actually take any damage from this the animation is indeed that of it blowing itself up to try to take it's target down with it). Represents ''hatred in it's purest form''. | |||
How's this seem? Does it seem fairly accurate so far? '''<u>''[[User:RadiantDarkBlaze|RadiantDarkBlaze]] ([[User talk:RadiantDarkBlaze|talk]]) 00:00, 30 May 2015 (UTC)''</u>''' | |||
==Proposed New Section== | |||
Name: Creation and Purpose | |||
"- Master Xehanort created Vanitas by using his Keyblade to extract the darkness within Ventus's heart. He explains that Vanitas uses his Keyblade to "sew the seeds of darkness in the worlds." This would imply that Vanitas uses his Keyblade in a similar manner to what Master Xehanort did to Ventus, creating the lesser Unversed out of the emotions of the inhabitants of the worlds. Indeed, Symphony Master and Cursed Carriage were credited as being born from the jealousy of Lady Tremaine and her daughters. | |||
- | |||
- As Vanitas explains, they were used to build up the trio for their respective purposes as pawns for the X-Blade's Creation or vessels for Xehanort. Additionally, there were several occasions where the Unversed attacked the Princesses of Heart. Although Master Xehanort claimed to want to protect their light, he most likely wanted their hearts to forge the Keyblade of People's Hearts." | |||
It was deleted for being speculative. I must say, I am a little shaky on it, but I don't think I'm quite done with it yet. The first part coincides quite nicely with something earlier in the article, about Vanitas creating the Unversed from the negative emotions of others. The second part, again, coincides with an earlier statement in the article. The last part comes from Xehnort's Reports mentioning that said Keyblade is necessary to obtain Kingdom Hearts. And also that this is a prequel game.[[User:Neo Bahamut|Neo Bahamut]] 04:33, November 1, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== MAGIC MIRROR UM I DONT THINK SO == | |||
i was looking at the pictures of the unversed and magic mirror is on there. this is wrong can someone please tell me why its on here[[Special:Contributions/24.9.94.34|24.9.94.34]] 23:50, November 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
[[Game talk:Magic Mirror|Read]].{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}23:55, November 29, 2010 (UTC) | |||
ok thank you for clearing that up for me lapisScarab [[Special:Contributions/24.9.94.34|24.9.94.34]] 00:02, November 30, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Eyes == | |||
Since the eyes of the Unversed are suppose to represent different emotion, should we make a gallery for the different eyes or atleast put a screenshot of their eyes in the unversed individual pages.--[[User:Masgrande|Masgrande]] 16:30, December 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
I think people can see that for themselves. But this does remind me of something that's been bothering me for a while now: I agree that it's hard to tell what specific emotion most of the Unversed are, but those blue Unversed that are the BBS equivalent of Soldier Heartless (it's been a while since I've played the game, so sue me) are pretty obviously fright. They hang in the back, they shiver before attacking, & so on.[[Special:Contributions/75.206.207.147|75.206.207.147]] 21:02, December 31, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== Unbirth == | |||
According to [http://www.khinsider.com/news/Dengeki-Interview-with-Tetsuya-Nomura-Finally-Surfaces-3104 goldpanner], there were official interviews and other info in Japanese magazines covering ''Birth by Sleep'' in which the Unversed's name was written "Unbirth" in English letters. This should be verified and noted on the page if true, which currently claims that "Unbirth" is entirely due to the fandom.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 22:03, 20 October 2012 (UTC) | |||
==They can exist even without Vanitas== | |||
In both BbS and KH3 after Vanitas's death/defeat, you can still find Unversed. In BbS in the final episode, if you go in other worlds, you can still find Unversed, and in KH3, after you defeat Vanitas, you can still find Unversed at Monstropolis, so they can still exist without Vanitas--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.173|93.150.192.173]] 12:30, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
: That's because of gameplay, not story. Story-wise, you're not visiting the other worlds in the Final Episode, or Monstropolis after completing the story there. Therefore, you do not encounter any Unversed after Vanitas's death. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:43, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:: I can agree with BbS, but in KH3, there is the portals, and Sora can do them only before the final battle... so... yhea, Sora return to Monstropolis. "but that will not make sense", in the begining of KH3 was said Sora already fight against Rock and Ice Titans, and he could do that just after he do the final keyhole, same for Xemnas, since he say to Roxas that he meet Sora... so... the "optional battles" are indeed canon, then if you want to ignore that, ok, I just wanted to help. I too agree the Unversed die after Vanitas's defeat, but not immediatly, since seems more they die after a bit--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.173|93.150.192.173]] 14:50, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::I don't believe the battlegates are considered canon, like how the Secret Portals in 3D aren't canon. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:58, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::::Can we add a citation for this claim that they can't exist without him? My understanding was that they were what brought him back in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::::My understanding was it was the opposite: Xehanort brought Vanitas back, and the negativity in Monstropolis allowed Vanitas to spawn Unversed. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 16:36, 22 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
==Second Lump of Horror image== | |||
I noticed that the [[Lump of Horror|Lump of Horror's]] second form is not recorded on here yet. I would put this statement on its discussion page but I coudn't. Surry to be a bother. | |||
[[Special:Contributions/82.44.248.104|82.44.248.104]] 18:05, 5 March 2020 (UTC) | |||
== Pre BBS == | |||
Why is this section not considered canon? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:19, 27 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:It's probably from the BBS novels but I'm not sure either. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 17:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
:: It is indeed from the novel. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:12, 27 July 2020 (UTC) | |||