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{{NeutraVega|Don't insult my godamn intelligence; I know full well the difference between speculation and unofficial albeit factual information.  The shit that was in there was outright crap straight from KHInsider forums.  That's not to say all of it was.  But a fair chunk?  Damn straight.  Like I said...no encore performances.  Let's stick to facts.  Intriguing trivia, sure.  Speculation?  lolno}}
{{NeutraVega|Don't insult my godamn intelligence; I know full well the difference between speculation and unofficial albeit factual information.  The shit that was in there was outright crap straight from KHInsider forums.  That's not to say all of it was.  But a fair chunk?  Damn straight.  Like I said...no encore performances.  Let's stick to facts.  Intriguing trivia, sure.  Speculation?  lolno}}


We're going the best we can. And besides, half of that speculation is made by anonymous viewers or other users who are still new here. They don't know better. Just lay off.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 17:43, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
We're going the best we can. And besides, half of that speculation is made by anonymous viewers or other users who are still new here. They don't know better. Just lay off.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 17:43, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
:...You complained about the name (and that only, looking at the page). Which was translated straight from the katakana, and was checked against multiple Japanese news sites.
:...You complained about the name (and that only, looking at the page). Which was translated straight from the katakana, and was checked against multiple Japanese news sites.
:Besides his name, nothing on [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=Master_Eraqus&oldid=188689 this version of the page] was unconfirmed. And that's the version of the page that we had while you were whining. And with respect to the final confirmed name, your tantrum amounted to saying we should delete all information and pictures we had just because the name ended up having a "u" shifted over one place. Wow, what a huge difference.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:29, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
:Besides his name, nothing on [http://kingdomhearts.wikia.com/index.php?title=Master_Eraqus&oldid=188689 this version of the page] was unconfirmed. And that's the version of the page that we had while you were whining. And with respect to the final confirmed name, your tantrum amounted to saying we should delete all information and pictures we had just because the name ended up having a "u" shifted over one place. Wow, what a huge difference.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 05:29, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
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::If your sum total of "contribution" is to come in and say "Look at me!", then please go the fuck away. You are annoying as all get out.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:06, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
::If your sum total of "contribution" is to come in and say "Look at me!", then please go the fuck away. You are annoying as all get out.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 00:06, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


I agreed! You've been nothing, but trouble lately! You're worst than everyone at school I know! What the heck is your problem, anyway!?! I'm sick of you! Seeing you strut around like you're always right! OUI'NA YH YCCRUMA!--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:10, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
I agreed! You've been nothing, but trouble lately! You're worst than everyone at school I know! What the heck is your problem, anyway!?! I'm sick of you! Seeing you strut around like you're always right! OUI'NA YH YCCRUMA!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:10, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
:Calling someone an asshole, even in another language should not be tolerated. NinjaSheik don't do it again and apologize as your intervention in this discussion was pointless and rude. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 00:22, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
:Calling someone an asshole, even in another language should not be tolerated. NinjaSheik don't do it again and apologize as your intervention in this discussion was pointless and rude. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 00:22, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


Fine, I'm sorry for cursing. But, that doesn't chnage how I feel...<!--If we're not allow to cruse, then how come Sir Kryten is always cursing?-->--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:25, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Fine, I'm sorry for cursing. But, that doesn't chnage how I feel...<!--If we're not allow to cruse, then how come Sir Kryten is always cursing?-->--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:25, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


:One thing is cursing during a conversation and another completely different thing is directly insulting someone. Some people are fine with cursing and some aren't but what is NOT tolerated is a direct attack towards a user. That's exactly why we ban trolls who blank out talk pages and why we don't encourage editors to leave hate messages in said troll's talk pages along with the warnings. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 00:29, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
:One thing is cursing during a conversation and another completely different thing is directly insulting someone. Some people are fine with cursing and some aren't but what is NOT tolerated is a direct attack towards a user. That's exactly why we ban trolls who blank out talk pages and why we don't encourage editors to leave hate messages in said troll's talk pages along with the warnings. --{{User:Yer mom/Sig}} 00:29, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


Okay...Sorry.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 00:33, November 9, 2009 (UTC)
Okay...Sorry.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 00:33, November 9, 2009 (UTC)


{{NeutraVega|Rofl, ok ok.  I'm sorry.  Vanitas is exactly like Garland.  You're right. :)  I'll fix that right up.}}
{{NeutraVega|Rofl, ok ok.  I'm sorry.  Vanitas is exactly like Garland.  You're right. :)  I'll fix that right up.}}
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{{Xiggie|time=00:37, January 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think that we can cross out the theory of Vanitas being the [[Xehanort]] we know.  
{{Xiggie|time=00:37, January 2, 2010 (UTC)|text=I think that we can cross out the theory of Vanitas being the [[Xehanort]] we know.  


We know that Xehanort had white hair and white eyebrows, and in the newly released picture of [[:File:Vanitas eye.jpg|Vanitas's eye]], he has black eyebrows! does that mean that he isn't Xehanort? I'd say so!}}
We know that Xehanort had white hair and white eyebrows, and in the newly released picture of <!--[[:File:Vanitas eye.jpg|Vanitas's eye]]-->, he has black eyebrows! does that mean that he isn't Xehanort? I'd say so!}}


{{Maggosh|text=Isn't it possible for it to change?}}
{{Maggosh|text=Isn't it possible for it to change?}}
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{{LapisScarab|time=23:51, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Argh! I can't believe they were that un-creative (assuming that is a word) about it! EDIT: I mean, come on! They made such a big deal about Vanitas' appearance, and they just ended up recycling an old character's face! It was enough of a stretch with Ven and Roxas, but todo it twice?! Nomura, you're better than that! ...Rant over.}}
{{LapisScarab|time=23:51, January 8, 2010 (UTC)|text=Argh! I can't believe they were that un-creative (assuming that is a word) about it! EDIT: I mean, come on! They made such a big deal about Vanitas' appearance, and they just ended up recycling an old character's face! It was enough of a stretch with Ven and Roxas, but todo it twice?! Nomura, you're better than that! ...Rant over.}}
Yeah! Now that I know whats under the hood (read what Xiggie read), I decided to do a picture on it that took me a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time! It can hopefully be seen...
Yeah! Now that I know whats under the hood (read what Xiggie read), I decided to do a picture on it that took me a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time! It can hopefully be seen...
here:[[File:143288-51063-sora_thumb.jpg]]-Master Aqua 04:33, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
here:<!--[[File:143288-51063-sora thumb.jpg]]-->-Master Aqua 04:33, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


{{Shixoh|time=01:23, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= I agree with LapisScarab. When I got to the part in the game where they reveal what Vanitas looks like I was so excited to find out. Then when it happened I was just like, oh, how disappointing. I was expecting him to be more original looking, but I guess he’s okay.}}
{{Shixoh|time=01:23, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|text= I agree with LapisScarab. When I got to the part in the game where they reveal what Vanitas looks like I was so excited to find out. Then when it happened I was just like, oh, how disappointing. I was expecting him to be more original looking, but I guess he’s okay.}}
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== Vanitas is almost certainly an Unversed: ==
== Vanitas is almost certainly an Unversed: ==


[[wikipedia:Vanitas|Vanitas]]: a type of symbolic work of art especially associated with Northern European '''still life painting''' in Flanders and the Netherlands in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, though also common in other places and periods. The word is Latin, meaning "emptiness" and loosely translated corresponds to the meaninglessness of earthly life and the transient nature of vanity...Vanitas themes were common in '''medieval funerary art''', with most surviving examples in sculpture. By the 15th century these could be extremely morbid and explicit, reflecting an '''increased obsession with death and decay''' also seen in the Ars moriendi, Danse Macabre and the overlapping motif of the Memento mori.
{{w|Vanitas}}: a type of symbolic work of art especially associated with Northern European '''still life painting''' in Flanders and the Netherlands in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, though also common in other places and periods. The word is Latin, meaning "emptiness" and loosely translated corresponds to the meaninglessness of earthly life and the transient nature of vanity...Vanitas themes were common in '''medieval funerary art''', with most surviving examples in sculpture. By the 15th century these could be extremely morbid and explicit, reflecting an '''increased obsession with death and decay''' also seen in the Ars moriendi, Danse Macabre and the overlapping motif of the Memento mori.




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Vanitas' face has finally been revealed fully. To me it looks weird how he can fit all his hair in that helmet.
Vanitas' face has finally been revealed fully. To me it looks weird how he can fit all his hair in that helmet.
[[File:Vanitasface.jpg|full|it looks weird]]
<!--[[File:Vanitasface.jpg|full|it looks weird]]-->
[[User:Maxiboi|Maxiboi]] 07:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
[[User:Maxiboi|Maxiboi]] 07:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
{{LapisScarab|time=07:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Look up further on the page. We've known for a bit, but it's nice to have an actual picture. Or it would be if Vanitas wasn't just a black *slams head on table* haired *does so again* Sora *slams head once more, coma follows*}}
{{LapisScarab|time=07:49, January 9, 2010 (UTC)|text=Look up further on the page. We've known for a bit, but it's nice to have an actual picture. Or it would be if Vanitas wasn't just a black *slams head on table* haired *does so again* Sora *slams head once more, coma follows*}}
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{{KKD|time=23:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|ven=NO! not what HeartFallout said, what Hyperwre2.0 said!}}
{{KKD|time=23:14, January 10, 2010 (UTC)|ven=NO! not what HeartFallout said, what Hyperwre2.0 said!}}


[[File:Vanitas Revealed.jpg|center]]
<!--[[File:Vanitas Revealed.jpg|center]]-->


here's a better pic if anyone cares anymore nhigirl aka chocolatewolf 23:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
here's a better pic if anyone cares anymore nhigirl aka chocolatewolf 23:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
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I know this isn't a competition or anything, but ''this'' picture is closer to perfect:
I know this isn't a competition or anything, but ''this'' picture is closer to perfect:


[[File:Vanitas_unmasked.jpg]]
<!--[[File:Vanitas unmasked.jpg]]-->


-[[User:One-Winged Angel]] 16:56 January 11, 2010
-[[User:One-Winged Angel]] 16:56 January 11, 2010
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{{Raven's wing|time=20:44, January 13, 2010 (UTC)|text=With regard to the spoiler aspect, how do we know they won't simply alter the voice track?}}
{{Raven's wing|time=20:44, January 13, 2010 (UTC)|text=With regard to the spoiler aspect, how do we know they won't simply alter the voice track?}}
{{TNE|time=00:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=THAT, my friend, is the power of the seiyuu. Seiyuus ARE trained to voice a range of voices. See [[wikipedia:Miyu Irino|Miyu Irino's portfolio]] and you'll get what I'm talking about. It's highly unlike many of our voice actors. Yes, there are the select few like Corey Burton and Tress MacNeille who can voice a variety of characters because their voices can change, but very few are like that anyway.}}
{{TNE|time=00:48, January 14, 2010 (UTC)|happytext=THAT, my friend, is the power of the seiyuu. Seiyuus ARE trained to voice a range of voices. See {{w|Miyu Irino|Miyu Irino's portfolio}} and you'll get what I'm talking about. It's highly unlike many of our voice actors. Yes, there are the select few like Corey Burton and Tress MacNeille who can voice a variety of characters because their voices can change, but very few are like that anyway.}}




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4) This is not the place for speculation. Take it to a forum, if you want, but since this discussion has not contributed anything so far, I'm archiving it.}}
4) This is not the place for speculation. Take it to a forum, if you want, but since this discussion has not contributed anything so far, I'm archiving it.}}
{{Xabryn|time=14:28, January 29, 2010 (UTC)|text=Ya know , TNE said the same thing about coded, but in coded riku see Xehanort heartless after the destruction of DI and at this time he was in hollow bastion already so it don't make much sense and KrytenKoro there are many sections in talk page that should be in forums but they're not}}
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