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Sora and Ventus[edit]

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Pokhmon - What is Cloud doing?
TALK - By the way, you three, who are you? — 12:15, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
it says in the trivia the sora ,may not be able to wield the keyblade if vens heart was released.but I thought ven was roxas and therefore sora CAN wield the keyblade if vens heart is released


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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngi'm not seeing this on the Trivia what i'm seeing is that the keyblade choose Sora instead of Riku because of Ventus. But changing the subject Sora let Jack Sparrow use hold the keyblade does that mean that Jack can use a keyblade now?


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XIII-DARKNESS My friends are my power ! — 16:02, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
Vsymbol.png Its not enough for you to just hold the keyblade it has to accept you to witch it didnt do with jack sparrow.

Although, Ventus is connected to sora by heart. That has to be the reason! If not then sora could handle the keyblade and the story would be all about Riku (maybe). Or Ven could have came to the island and did the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony with Sora...I don't know I'm just saying things that could have happen....SilverPinkKitty 20:59, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


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Lying Memories - I'd rather we just skip the formalities.
TALK - The Darkness in men's hearts, drawn to these cursed medallions; and this Heartless, a veritable maelstrom of avarice: I wonder, are they worthy to serve Organization XIII? - Lying Memories 02:09, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
eh I think people can argue whether or not Captain Jack can wield the Keyblade. There also was no glow at all when Terra let Riku hold onto it, so where people are getting that from I don't know. I just watched the video literally 10 times and saw nothing like that


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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. 9:48,Sept,03/10
Vsymbol.pngin my opinion about the jack sparrow thing maybe when he touched the keyblade maybe sora never intended to give it to him so it didnt accept him as it's next master

Terra and Riku[edit]

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Fangzntalonz - A scattered memory like a far-off dream...
TALK - A far-off dream like a scattered memory...
since Terra's Keyblade Earth Shaker picked Riku, then Terra got Gaia Bane, does that mean Riku was supposed to get Earth Shaker?

Inheritance?[edit]

If Riku received the Keyblade from Terra, but it was passed onto Sora due to Riku's fall to darkness, how did Riku get a Keyblade? And why can't Kairi use the keyblade as well, seeing as how she supposedly inherited aqua's keyblade?KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png

Riku's soul eater turned into a keyblade when ansems machine exploded and kairi can us a keyblade seen towards the end of KHII 75.162.68.34 02:17, April 21, 2010 (UTC)



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Fangzntalonz - A scattered memory like a far-off dream...
TALK - A far-off dream like a scattered memory...
Actually, Riku's Soul Eater evolved into WttD after Sora fought him in the Land of Dragons. He's shown using it while in "Ansem" form in a fight against Saix. As for Kairi, not much is known about her Keyblade ability. Some speculate that Riku found her Keyblade, Destiny Place, at Destiny Islands or a Corridor to Darkness
  • sigh* I know all that, but how did Riku get his keyblade? that's the real question. And destiny place was Riku's, not Kairi's.KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png
actually, i think i may have figured it out. Sora did get terra's keyblade, but due to Xehanort's possesion of Riku, riku gained Master Xehanort's Keyblade. KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png

Sora has his own Keyblade and Ventus's keyblade he don't have Terra's keyblade if you think well the ÇS has it but you're right about Riku he have his own keyblade and MX's keyblade. Besides Nomura stated that Riku was choosen by both a keyblade master and a keyblade--Xabryn 13:37, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

yeah, Riku was chosen by terra and later by MX's keyblade. Terra's keyblade went to Sora. He also has ven's keyblade (roxas) and vanitas's keyblade (Xion, i believe.). The LS? I can't explain that. I guess he's just a sentiment. I don't think his keyblade is a true one, especially since Sora got the Kingdom Key. KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png 17:55, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Okay calm down Sora only have 2 keyblades his own(Kingdom Key) and Ventus(Second keyblade) Terra's keyblade is with the LS, Xion's keyblade is a sham as Riku said and Vanitas's keyblade fused again with Ventus's, Roxas got his sinch blade ability after Xion's dead nomura said that the ability was awaken because of his desire to not lose Xion's memories, but anyway MX's keyblade is probably Riku's second Keyblade(we don't know how he got this ability) and he also have his own Keyblade(WaytotheDawn), m point is both Riku and Sora were choosen by the keyblade and by the keyblade but as the KK isa keyblade of the realm of light when Riku choose the realm of darkness the KK chose Sora instead since he is on the realm of light and have a heart of pure light with him, but Riku was later chosen by the WttD. what I'm trying to say is the KK and the WttD are they own keyblades nobody elses keyblades--Xabryn 16:43, June 14, 2010 (UTC)


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KingdomKeyDarkside - You both... think you can do whatever you want. Well, I'm sick of it.
TALK - Go on, you just keep running. But I'll always be there to bring you back!
Nobody.pngNobody's (Not a Nobody, nobody meaning no person) keyblade is their own. Everyone inherits their keyblade from someone else. Riku said that Xion's keyblade was a sham because it was a copy of the Kingdom Key. As he wasn't even in the possession of a keyblade yet, he had no way of knowing that it was a fake keyblade. Terra's keyblade was passed onto Riku, which made its way to Sora (Because of Riku's fall to darkness, it's in the flipping article), and as in KHII FM, as the LS, his had no keychain. "Synch blade" was obviously just a way to fill in the reason why Sora and Roxas could use two keyblades, until everything else was explained. As Sora is still dormant during 358/2 days, Xion returns to him, but Roxas gains her keyblade for his own use, at least until he returned to Sora. Vanitas and Ven's keyblades are two seperate blades, proved when they were fighting each other (I highly doubt two people can use one keyblade at the same time.). Riku has no second keyblade, Wttd is his only keyblade, which was inherited from MX. The one that he hands to Kairi was obviously Aqua's, because it was in the form of destiny place, and Kairi was able to wield it without it returning to Riku. Sora and Riku were not chosen by keyblades, they were chosen by people who had keyblades. The purity of Kairi's heart inside sora did lead the KK to him, but it was intended for Riku, as chosen by Terra. Aqua had the intention to give her keyblade to Sora, but didn't, proving that he had potential. The inheritance is a way of passing the power of the keyblade down, not the keyblade itself.

In conclusion, Wttd is a form of Riku's keyblade, power inherited from MX, and in turn, Xehanort, The LS's keyblade is no longer a true keyblade, KK is a form of Sora's keyblade, power inherited from Terra, and Roxas's keyblades are forms of Ven's keyblade, and in turn Vanitas's keyblade, power inherited from Ven and Xion, respectively. And, last but not least, Xion's keyblade is real, but it's KK form is "A sham", though the keyblade itself is not. Oh, and synch blade was filler for stuff Nomura hadn't figured out yet.


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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids?
TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you.
Vsymbol.png Sorry, I'm a little lazy to read what you said, KKD...

Riku got his Keyblade from Terra. That's how it happened. Sora, I believe, got Ventus's Keyblade. So, when Riku succumbed to darkness, the Keyblade passed to the next guy in line: Sora. It was part of Ventus that allowed him to wield it. Kairi, on the other hand, got her Keyblade from Aqua. So, when Riku handed Destiny Place to her, naturally, she was able to use it (crappy as it was...). That's the way I see it. Simple as that.

Remember, Soul Eater is only like a replacement Keyblade. So, when Riku was ready to wield a Keyblade on his own, he got to do that. I guess Soul Eater was making up for Riku's Keyblade-ness then.

Man, I'm tired.

EDIT: OKay, I read what you said, KKD. In response, I disagree, and do not believe that Riku's Keyblade is MX's. Remember, Xehanort is now alive, and it's highly likely that we'll see his Keyblade in the next game.. I also don't really believe that Inheriting a Keyblade is the only way to recieve one. To get a Keyblade, you need a strong heart, or so it is implied. I believe it that the Inheritance ceremony is only a way to get a Keyblade, because, if it was the only way, we wouldn't see all the millions of Keyblades in Keyblade Graveyard. Plus that, we saw ourselves how Ventus just "Awakened" his Keyblade. And if it was due to connecting his heart with Sora in the first place, where did Sora's come from? There's way too many Keyblades out there, as well as unknown origins of their existance, to prove that only through inheritance can a person wield it. Unlocking it youself is one way, and having a prototype that can change into one, in Riku's case, seems to be another.

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KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT."
TALK -
"There are as many Keyblades as there are qualified hearts."

That's from Nomura. Really, the only ones that should need accounting are the dual blades - Sora's original Keyblade is quite plainly said by Nomura to be his own, even in the BBS interviews. However, his second Keyblade is Ventus's, because Ventus's heart is within him. Roxas's first Keyblade is also Sora's, existing in two places at once, just as Roxas is Sora existing in two places at once. His second Keyblade is Ventus's, because he retains Ventus's heart, and when Ventus's heart is returned to Sora with Sora's body, Sora gains Synch Blade as well (which is not fake but is simply the ability of summoning the second Keyblade). Xion's Keyblade is simply the memories of Roxas's (Sora's) original Keyblade, just as Xion is the memories of Roxas made solid. This is why she gains more control over her Keyblade as Roxas loses control. As for not having a Keyblade fight against itself, Xion vs. Roxas.

Kairi does not have a Keyblade. She can wield one, due to the semi-ceremony, but the Destiny Place isn't her's. Plus, it's just a keychain, apparently created by her influence, like Jungle King is made by Deep Jungle. At least according to the Another Report, it is Riku's Keyblade, which he is Synching and lending to her. It cannot be Aqua's, either, since Xemnas had possession of that in the Chamber of Repose.

If you want the honest part of it, though? This whole thing's a mess, and Nomura isn't very good at writing coherent stories. KH1 was extremely clear about Sora's Keyblade being the one destined for Riku, but he lost his qualification. The Kingdom Key D was also a Keyblade found in the Realm of Darkness by Mickey. KH2, along with Nomura's interviews at the time, then add in three other Keyblades (Roxas/Sora's 2, Riku's 1, Riku's 2), and Nomura explicitly says that Riku's Soul Eater became his Way to the Dawn, and the Destiny Place was his. He also says that Roxas's Keyblade is "what Sora lost in Castle Oblivion". Days/coded then says that Roxas had the Keyblade before the Castle Oblivion incident, and gives Mickey another Keyblade. Finally, BBS tries to say that Keyblades would be passed down, which might indicate that Sora has Terra and Ventus's Keyblades, but then that leaves Riku unexplained - it is possible, though never covered and in fact evidenced against, that a Keyblade can decide against its destined user due to darkness (what then of Xehanort's Keyblade? Or hell, Vanitas's? He was already dark when he got it.) It ALSO explicitly shows Terra's Keyblade going to the LS, physically, and then later appearing to save Aqua (and then it goes back? what?) Then, even if you argue that Sora has Terra+Ventus, and Riku has Xehanort+Aqua, the interviews indicate that Xehanort still has his Keyblade, he simply can't summon it, and Riku still uses the Way to the Dawn even after the Encoder erases Xehanort from his heart completely. You also have the problem of how Mickey "found" the Kingdom Key D, if you have to inherit it. Also, you have the problem of Vanitas - he has part of the heart of a Keyblade wielder, but he is a separate person, not a Nobody of Ventus - in fact, he is more than Ventus, since Ventus almost died without him. Basically, it was almost coherent, if fan-fic quality, at the end of KH2, and still possible with Days, but BBS and it's interviews make it fully contradictory.

There's also the fact that even in KH, it is known that Keyblade wielders can be evil and/or full of darkness, and Riku, while evil, gets the Keyblade in Hollow Bastion, so then how could the Kingdom Key "decline" Riku? Is it simply because Sora got to it first? Had his heart somehow gotten very weak during that one episode?

Honestly, I think the best solution is to ignore parts of what the game and Nomura have said, especially since they don't make much sense to begin with (where did Aqua and Terra get their original Keyblades, if Eraqus still had his and was their only master?). Of course, it's entirely possible that he has been mistranslated, and the dubbed game will clear this up. The only working solution, as I see it, is to interpret the ceremony as merely giving the power to wield a Keyblade, and possibly the right to inherit the Keyblade if the original wielder loses it somehow. The Blades themselves are manifestations of the wielder's own power (like Bleach), and so the X-Blade is a manifestation of Ventus and Vanitas's hearts. So, this explains where everyone gets their first Keyblade, and it's just the Synch Blades that have to be accounted for.

Sorry if this is circular so far, I'm just trying to get my thoughts down.

Anyway:

  • Sora's Synch Blade : Ventus's personal blade
  • Riku's Synch Blade : Possibly Xehanort or Aqua's blade.
  • Aqua's Eraqus Blade : Eraqus's personal blade.
  • Mickey's Star Seeker : Yen Sid's personal blade, which he somehow gives to Sora as well. Or maybe it is Mickey's personal blade, and Mickey was full out quitting when he handed the Keyblade to Yen Sid. That actually makes more sense.
  • Mickey's Kingdom Key D : ??? Somehow found in the World of Darkness. If the Star Seeker is Yen Sid's (unlikely, why wouldn't Yen Sid teach him to get his own Keyblade), then Mickey could have gained this by gaining his personal Keyblade in the World of Darkness. It's also possible that he simply found it in the dark-side Keyblade Graveyard, or maybe the inhabitants of the RoD aren't all evil, and willingly gave Mickey the blade. It might also be possible that Mickey stole it from a surviving dark-side Keyblader, same way Riku stole the Keyblade from Sora and Roxas. Out of character, but the best fit in the canon.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that either Nomura is simply inconsistent, or tries to word things too technically, and the fans aren't good enough at translating to notice that (they did screw up on the KH3 thing, after all). I personally think the system works best like Bleach, with the possibility of taking another's blade through greater strength of heart or voluntary passage.

i like the idea that nomura sucks at consistency. Makes more sense than anything else. Unfortunately, it also means that KH will have an ending akin to that of lost: confusing and wide open for fanfics interpretation. KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png

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LegoAlchemist - They changed "Snipe Magnet" to "Magnet Grab"? Who's translating this game, 4kids?
TALK - Friendships are in direct contravention of mercenary conduct as delineated in your contracts, and on a personal note: I am very, very, disappointed with you.
Vsymbol.png That should be on the article, Kryten. Thanks for explaining.

I still don't see where the Another Report says Destiny Place is Riku's but making fun of Nomura is always fun.204.211.185.107 16:06, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

KH Insider citation[edit]

Must be resourced to the interview itself, in the ultimania. Look at Keyblade of People's Hearts for an example.Glorious CHAOS! 03:32, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

brief glow of light?[edit]

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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngI've watched and Rewatched Terra Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony with Riku and Aqua Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony with Kairi and i haven't seen any glow of light so is there really any glow of light?

kairi is a princesse and she can sense darkness do you think thats it.65.32.75.73 20:05, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

It's true. Even in the english version, there's no glow of light. however, Terra does recite this, which seems to be some sort of an oath for handing the keyblade down.

in your hand, take this key
so long as you have the makings,
then through this simple act of taking
its wielder you shall one day be.
and you will find me, friend-
no ocean will contain you then.
no more borders around, or below or above,
so long as you champion the ones you love.
What do you guys think? Maybe the brief glow of light is just in lieu of reciting this oath. KKDf51ce887-d120-4b89-8cff-afbff03976aa_zps7f114bcc.png

Battle Stance[edit]

Is it just my impression or the battle stance of Terra is used by Riku(only in DI) and Aqua's is used by Kairi (in the world that never was the only time she hold a keyblade weapon)--Xabryn 00:24, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. 9:44,Sept,03/10
Vsymbol.pngumm i dont think so riku's stance is like vantias's and kairi's looks similar to master eraqus stance (you have to really look to find kairi's stance)
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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngIn the battle against Riku in Destiny Islands he doesn't use the same battle stance as he usually does, it is more similar to Terra's and when Riku defend he defense is just like Terra's
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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. 10:45,Sept,03/10
Vsymbol.pngbut in the flashbacks in RE:COM when riku is a kid he is using his usual stance it probably looked liked terra's because riku was only a boss in kh1 and th battle stance made him look more taunting
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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngDon' forget that this wasn't a real memory namine created, Riku already used that battle stance in Castle Oblivion so Namine just used it in the memory instead of using the one he used by that time, also look at this:
around 2:20 it shows Sora and Riku fighting and his usual battle stance isn't showed. And about Kairi thing: Eraqus uses is keyblade with both hands and Kairi only use one hand in other words Kairi and Eraqus battle stances are not alike
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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. 11:12pm
Vsymbol.pngtrue namine did change the memories but namine's power is to manipulate them based on what actually happened, namine placed that memory before she met riku and she used memories that she saw of riku in sora. and riku's stance in kh1 isnt a technically a stance but more of a pose to taunt sora when he is fighting him
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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngMaybe she didn't met the real Riku bu by that time she probaby met Riku Replica and he uses the same batle stance as Riku. Look at when Riku defends in any battle and how Terra defends they're very alike only Terra's defense is pointing his Keyblade down and Riku is pointing it to the side, that's what made me think about it so I noticed that Riku in DI seems to use a battle stance similar to Terra's in that time
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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. 11:29pm
Vsymbol.pngthe blocking thing isnt part of the battle stance its a block, riku blocks downwards cause its quicker, and same with terra, im sure people have noticed the change in battle stance but dismissed it because of the change in khCoM
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Xabryn - Golden Star Charm.pngI don't care if you're real!You're not better!
TALK - Mobile rikurep.pngIt's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}}
Heartless Emblem.pngYou're probably right. My theories always end up being wrong so there is no point on argue about it

Ven is not the reason Sora can use the keyblade.[edit]

Simply put Nomura said Sora is the only one in the series who didn't go through the ceremony to use the keyblade instead was chosen by the keyblade because of his strong Heart. The ceremony is more like a letter of recomendation than anything. You can get a keyblade without it but it's near impossible for that to happen. A keyblade basically won't ever come to you if you don't have the ceremony done but Sora had a special case. As said by Nomura Sora was actually be sucked into Riku's darkness and he touched the light in Riku's heart, this contact with Riku's heart allowed it to sense the stronger Sora heart and went to him.

When faced with it's original master though the keyblade went back, darkness has nothing to do with loosing the keyblade or not and Nomura already said dark or the light keyblade doesn't care. It wants to be used by the strongest heart, but at the same time the strength of the heart is very fulluctuant. Sora and Riku both grew stronger but Riku was stronger than Sora at that moment, it wasn't until he understood what his true strength was that Sora's heart became stronger than Riku's. Thus the keyblade made it's decision and returned to Sora.

Nomura said besides having his heart connected to someone he is completely normal. He also goes on to say that the point is that he wants to instal a beliefe that you can do anything if you try hard enough. Sora gained a keyblade because his heart was stronger than Riku not because of Ven or some ceremony. --24.7.239.218 00:53, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

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ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 09:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Game Clear Data KHRECOM.png Most of this explanation is right, except Nomura clearly stated why Sora could use a keyblade at the beginning of KH in the KH Ultimania:

Question: Even though Riku was the rightful owner of the Keyblade, then why did Sora obtain the Keyblade in the beginning?
Nomura: Even though I would like to keep that obscure, there is a scene in Destiny islands where Riku is being swallowed by darkness, a light appears, and Sora first obtains the keyblade. With the setting I created, the darkness that surrounds them is Riku’s heart’s darkness. At that moment, Sora enters the darkness, and the light he sees inside is Riku’s heart’s light. Sora, who was squirming in the darkness to save Riku, touched the light and temporarily obtained the Keyblade from Riku.

So let's rewrite the passage.

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KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy."
TALK -
So Sora did steal the Keyblade from Riku. Why then do the Journal profiles say Riku lost it because it rejected his darkness (Master Xehanort and Vanitas, though?), and why can't Riku keep it when he takes it back?
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ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 21:28, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Game Clear Data KHRECOM.png Maybe these are the part that are still "obsucre". Riku could be unable to hold Sora's keyblade because he uses the Soul Eater at this point and we don't know how keyblades from the Realm of Darkness behave (if Master Xehnaort's Keyblade and Vanitas's Void Gear are of this type). Anyway Sora can use two keyblades because of Ventus but did not obtain his own keyblade because of him.
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LightRoxas - "My friends are my power! And I'm theirs!"
TALK - "Just... put an end to me."
I think there's a difference between where one's Keyblade comes from and where their ability to wield a Keyblade comes from. It is my understanding that Sora gets his Keyblade from Riku but the ability from Ventus. Although if you guys think I'm wrong, we can change things.
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ShardofTruth Once you believe, truth and lie are quite the same thing. — 20:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Game Clear Data KHRECOM.png Hmm, I really don't know. You mean even if Captain Jack Sparrow could grab Sora's keyblade he wouldn't be able to use it unless his heart is stronger than Sora's or he has another keyblade wielder's heart inside him? That seem's too complicated too me.
Actually, yes, that's exactly what I mean. You need the weapon and the ability; one or the other doesn't get you anywhere. LightSymbol Character - Roxas.pngRoxas 20:12, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Regarding the post in the Forum: This seems to explain how Sora got the Keyblade, not why he can wield one. The game journals themselves also say that Riku lost the Keyblade to Sora "when he chose darkness over light"...so either the journal is being incredibly disingenuous, or the Nomura interview was not translated totally correctly. (Or, Nomura is contradicting his own damn self and shouldn't be trusted)."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 20:23, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
We also have to take into consideration that the interview from the KH Ultimania is from 2002. So maybe the ingame information is more correct at this point than Nomura's answers about matters that did become more and more complicated with each game. We also don't know what makes a heart weaker (or stronger for this matter), or do we?--ShardofTruth 20:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Honestly, I think Nomura just didn't plan ahead that well. He probably didn't think KH would catch on as much as it has. I'd say we should trust in-game info. LightSymbol Character - Roxas.pngRoxas 23:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Squall (Leon)[edit]

What, exactly, is this glow? Squall held Sora's keyblade in KH1. So is now he a candidate also? Might be interesting to see a Final Fantasy Keyblae wielder. Netherith 03:17, September 8, 2010 (UTC)


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Roxnick867 - My friends are my power, and I'm theirs!
TALK - I'm asking you as a friend, just... put an end to me. {{{time}}}
Vsymbol.pngnot everyone who touches a keyblade is capable of becoming a keyblade wielder one must be qualified and must have a strong enough heart, as such Squall/Leon doesn't meet qualifications.

Aqua-Kairi[edit]

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ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person
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DL Sprite Vanitas Icon KHBBS.pngi just thought of something, where does it say that aqua accidentally preformed the ceremony on kairi? sure she touched the keyblade, but so what? as mentioned above tons of people have touched a keyblade before, doesn't mean that they're suddenly inheritance candidates


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Vsymbol.pngwell im guessing because kairi is a princess of heart she met the qualifications to wield a keyblade so aqua maybe did accidentally preform the ceremony.
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maggosh The steel is forged... "Souls as far as the eye can see..."

"If you want light to rule over all, then you must rid the world of everything else."

It's confirmed by Nomura.

May I see a link of the confirmation of that?--KRoNoS 04:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

The keyblade has to accept the person that touches it. The keyblade accepted Kairi, but not the other people that have touched a keyblade

It accepted Riku. maggosh 05:22, February 14, 2011 (UTC)

Inheritance???[edit]

I know this hasn't been shown, but can the Keyblade be handed down to more than one person, or just one? --ThomasFanAC 20:02, February 4, 2011 (UTC)


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"We could find the real thieves. That would set the record straight." twobecomeoneright.png — 20:31, February 4, 2011 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png No I'm pretty sure only one person can recieve a keyblade from a single weilder (techniquely master.) It seems to be a very formal ceremony not to mention keyblade don't seem to be take common... but I supposed that's just my oppinion. OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png


I'm sorry, i had to use your template or my post would be kinda hard to see. I am not RoxasXIIILK I am Guest.

Now, i think this is all rubbish, first of all there is absolutely no way that two keyblades can be in different places at the same time. Xion's keyblade is a copy of Sora's, but it's not a sham. it is as real as any other keyblades, there are as many keys as there are weilders, i believe this, but i hate Nomura for making the series so messed up! i am considering believing the "Xion's keyblade is memories" theory though, since that would make sense due to her acctually having taken on the appearance of leaked memories.... Second of all, sora's keyblade is not terra's. in fact i completely disagree with the "All keyblades come from others" theory. that's bullpoop. HOWEVER Ventus's keyblade IS sora's second keyblade. and Roxas's second keyblade is also ventus's hence explainging the fact that sora can only weild two AFTER Roxas comes back to him. Ven's heart stayed in roxas when sora turned to a heartless. wich explains his feelings and appearance. Sora: Has his own keyblade. uses Ventu's keyblade as extra in synch blade. Roxas: has his own keyblade wich technically has the same keychain as sora's because he is sora's nobody. uses Ventus's keyblade is synch blade. Xion: The most explainable theory is that: Her appearance is due to leaked memories about kairi, but everyone veiws her differently, Xemnas and Xigbar veiw her as Ven becaue Braig and esspecially both of Xemnas's somebodies: MX and Terra both had strong bonds with him, MX being his former master and Terra being his best friend. And because Sora is related to ventus, granting the complete access to the Ventus appearance. Xion will only reaveal the Kairi with black hair appearance to friends. Roxas having bonds to sora who obviously knows kairi, it would be obvious for him to see her like that but Axel...i dunno, posisibly because Lea had connections to Ventus who had connections to sora who had connections to kairi... Xion's keyblade is most likely, as said before, memories of Sora's keyblade. Xemnas: now Xemnas is an exceptinal being, being th Nobody of two somebodies: MX and Terra, he has both their memories AND the memories of Xehanort (i mean the gray haired terra Xehanort, y'know. Terranort if you want) so really he's the Nobody of three people. that's why he's one of my favorite characters in the series. he is exceptional indeed. BTW, The only way Sora could supposedly save Terra, would be to separate the Terranort back into terra and MX but then Sora might have MX to take care of. wich intrigues me of an idea to KH3. So that about explains it. the inheritance to others theory is a farce. there are as many keyblades as there are weilders. P.S. Again, i am sorry for using your template RoxasXIIILK



Xemnas does not see Xion as Ven. He explicitly says he sees her as Sora."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 01:34, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


Okay.... I guess that makes sense. But just so all of us can be on the same page, maybe I need to rephrase my question. Can a Keyblade Master choose more than one successor, or only one? In other words, is there more than one or two ways to become a Keyblade wielder than what was shown? --68.52.70.92 03:11, February 5, 2011 (UTC)


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"We could find the real thieves. That would set the record straight." twobecomeoneright.png — 03:17, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png A master can only choose one successor. The only way to become a keyblade weilder (techniqualy speaking) is to inherit it by the ceremony as Riku and (inadvertantly) Kairi did. However Sora, Roxas, and Xion are exceptions to this as Sora got his Keyblade from Ventus when their hearts where merged together, Roxas got his keyblade(s) by being Sora's Nobody, and Xion got her's due to the fact that she was created by the leaked memories of sora. OathOblivTalkPic_zps6eebf78e.png


Glow[edit]

The glow only appears in the original Japanese version, it doesn't appear in neither the NA or FM versions... Erry 06:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Don't we consider the FM version to be the canon version when it's released?LapisLazuliScarab13:47, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Can someone tell me what is this glow of light cuz I can't see it even in the Japanese version.--Xabryn 18:09, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

In the original Japanese release of KHBBS, there was a brief glow when the Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony was performed. This is how we know that Kairi unintentionally received the Keyblade from Aqua.
And, may I say, Google Chrome is awesome. So glad I switched. --VenCharm.pngLegoAlchemistVenCharm.png 03:24, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

Possible reason Lea might have a keyblade in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance[edit]

While skimming through this article it just came to me, is it possible the reason Lea can wield a keybalde in Kingdom Hearts: Dream Drop Distance is because Lea has touched Ven's keyblade when going to Radiant Garden making it a Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony --Kh2cool (talk) 00:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

That Keyblade was wooden...the reason behind Lea's ability to wield has been explained already. maggosh 02:08, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh yeah, that didn't slip my mind for a minute. --Kh2cool (talk) 18:00, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Name[edit]

Did BBS give provide this English name? KH3D calls it the "Bequeathing". --Neumannz, The Dark Falcon 17:30, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Where did we get "Keyblade Inheritance Ceremony" from? Because I don't remember it in any game so the "Bequeathing" seems to be the only name we got from an official source. TheFifteenthMember 19:43, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

FifteenthMember-san, Neumz-senpai started the same topic above. ^^; I don't know who came up with the name either, but I'm all for it to change it to be "Bequeathing". If that is what the game used, then we should use it, too. Any objections?--NinjaSheik 22:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm all for using what the games use, as well! - Challenge Sigil KHD.pngEternal Nothingness XIIIChallenge Sigil KHD.png 02:08, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm all for changing it too. Though I would suggest keeping the word Keyblade in the title, calling it the "Keyblade Bequeathing", just so other readers understand immediately what we're talking about. Just a suggestion. Blackchaos27 (talk) 06:06, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
Keep in mind we can create a redirect of keyblade inheritance ceremony for the new page. Xion4ever 11:04, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
"Keyblade" isn't part of the name used in KH3D, though. If we're changing the title to reflect the official name, then we should use the official name."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 16:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Well, I only put that for the sake of 'Bequeathing what?' But if I must I'll remove that part of the name from the suggestion prompt. Blackchaos27 (talk) 17:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Looking back in the history, the person who first created the page was a user called Rjilano. So, yeah, the name is unofficial. I tried looking for interviews, too, thinking that may be where the name came from, but I got nothing. I already said this when the topic was brought up, but I'm up for moving it, too. By the way, I also mentioned that Neumz-senpai asked the same question above, so it is okay to combine it, because having two sections with the same topic is just redundant.--NinjaSheik 20:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
I'm for moving. TheFifteenthMember 20:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Enough time has passed, and everyone here is in agreement about the move, so I'm going to move it now.--NinjaSheik 22:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Master-level[edit]

I know that if you're on the level of a Master, then you can Bequeath someone, but where was this stated? Was it in a Nomura interview or something? I can't find the source. --Elfdemon (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

-- The Keyblade succession can only be performed by a Keyblade Master, but we see Terra performing this rite with Riku - does this mean we can consider Terra a Keyblade Master?
Nomura: No. Terra was not awarded that title by his Master Eraqus, so no matter how Master Xehanort flatters him he is not a Keyblade Master. But that's just a matter of whether or not he's achieved the official title. Even Eraqus recognised that Terra possessed suitable power to be a Master, which is why he was able to perform the rite for Riku.
http://forums.khinsider.com/birth-sleep/147009-bbs-ultimania-plot-mysteries-nomura-interview.html
Thank you! --Elfdemon (talk) 19:26, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

"power to wield a Keyblade"[edit]

What's the source for the Bequeathing giving someone the power to wield a Keyblade or actually doing anything at all? I've seen so many people say this, and I've even said it as well many times before, but after looking into it, I can't find a source. As far as we know, the Bequeathing is just a tradition like the Mark of Mastery is and doesn't actually do anything. As far as we know, all you need in order to wield a Keyblade is to have a strong heart. --Elfdemon (talk) 02:39, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, we know that when a person with a strong heart touches a Keyblade, they can wield one, as seen in BBS by Kairi, so maybe the Bequeathing is just a formal way of letting someone touch your Keyblade, and thereby passing on the Keyblade-wielding ability. TheSilentHero 17:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
"Through the "Bequeathing," they choose the next generation of Keyblade wielders" / "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself.""We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 18:43, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! The "He decided to bequeath the power of the Keyblade to this little boy, who reminded him so much of himself" is the concrete proof I needed! --Elfdemon (talk) 03:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
So, doesn't that mean that the question "How does Sora have the ability to wield a Keyblade?" is currently unanswered? --Elfdemon (talk) 03:04, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, it does. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
It's a combination of Sora having Ventus's heart within him, and forging Riku's Keyblade from his heart during that scene on Destiny Islands."We're werewolves, not swearwolves." (KrytenKoro) 15:11, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Actually, according to Nomura, aside from the ability to use Synch Blade, Sora "hasn't actually inherited much from Ventus". Remember, the Master of Masters was the first Keyblade wielder, so he couldn't have had the Bequeathing performed on him. Rex Ronald Rilander (talk) 03:28, 16 April 2017 (UTC)