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 In general, the trivia section is something to avoid. Anything put there must be (1) ''absolutely'' inarguable, and (2) demonstrate significant relevance and import. It is not a place to put any possible connection that one can think of.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 23:05, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
-== Ummm... ==
+{{Chris|euh=Though I must own disliking your wording still, I concede the point to the evidence submitted.
+I have revised the page, and, after reflection, discovered that many of your criticisms were valid, though I do believe that the history of the word itself is still of interest (and is also a proveable fact).  You may strike the first trivia point from the page.  The wording "not generally castable" was removed prior to my reading that.
+The quotes section has also been removed.  This was added under influence from another Wiki which deals with games that often have lengthily incantations, which Kingdom Hearts does not.
+The directors need not mention everything about a game for it to be relevant -- and I was arguing that the spell was relevant to characterisation rather than plot.  It may be owing to my background in English (the academic subject, not the language), but, if analysed, certain details relating to characters and plot points can take on more relevance if the reasoning behind the use of certain words is understood.
+This wiki does seem to suffer from a misunderstanding of what an etymology is, however.  If the origin of the word as a part of the language is not desired, then the heading should be changed to "origin".  Stating that a spell called "holy" appears in a game related to the series is not an etymology, as it does not explain where the word itself came from, only this one particular use of it to name something within a specific context, and which does not conflict with its usual meaning.}}
+=== Ummm... ===
 Very sorry to intrude, but Heartless can't use Holy magic.  Just because one was born of such spells and they cast ''similar'' looking magic does '''not''' mean it is that magic.  Oh, and for etymology, only the origin of the ''spell'' is included.  Seriously dude, we all know the meaning of the word ''holy''.  On this wiki, we don't put etymology for the meaning of words that are known by sentinent indiviuals.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
+:And wait, I thought that the [[gravity]] article was the template article for magic.  {{The Inexistentsig}}
+{{Chris|text=It is a suggested revision.  Point about heartless taken.  The section has been deleted from the specimen.
+The origin of the spell should be labelled "origin" then, and not "etymology".}}
+:No, but here is the thing:  etymology is the immediate definition.  That, as such, is a FF reference.  ''That'' is the only thing we need.  Therefore, the meaning and origin of the word is pointless here.  <small>Oh, and we don't put the origin of the word on any other etymologies on the wiki...</small>  {{The Inexistentsig}}
+{{Chris|degout=Then I must point out, again, that the usage of the word in the Final Fantasy series does not constitute an etymology, but rather the origin of the spell and its usage in this one specific context.  If what you say is placed now under the heading of "etymology", the heading itself shall need to be changed to read "origin" on each page where it so appears.}}
+First, the trivia I wish to speak about.  Then I will talk about the etymology again.
+*''Holy is one of several spells that appear recurringly in spinoff games that are not castable in main-sequence games. Other such spells include Quake, Warp, Raging Storm, Mega-Flare, and Tornado. <span style="color:red;">Rule of thumb is that it must be unique to be trivia.  Besides, this speaks of non KH games.</span>
+*Although it often has an attribute of its own in Final Fantasy titles, Holy has no attribute in the Kingdom Hearts series. '' <span style="color:red;">It doesn't have an attribute because it was never actually a castable spell.  In CoM it was a slight (not a spell).  In BbS, it is a Deck Command (I'm not sure if other spells are deck commands or not).</span>
+Ah, on to etymology.
+''Dictionary.com'' reads:
+''–noun, plural -gies.
+# the derivation of a word.
+# '''an account of the history of a particular word or element of a word.'''
+# the study of historical linguistic change, esp. as manifested in individual words. ''
+Examples on the wiki that lead to the second definition:
+*[[1001 Nights]]
+*[[Megacosm]]
+In fact, I'm not going to list any more.  If you look at any weapon article with etymology (magic ''is'' a weapon), you will find not the origin of the actual words, but the reference of their names.
+{{The Inexistentsig}}
+:Oh, and why is Roxas in the "See also"?  {{The Inexistentsig}}
+::[[User:The Inexistent/Magic|Here]]  {{The Inexistentsig}}