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How is it possible that he can only be fought after sealing Keyholes and defeating Xemnas?  There are no keyholes in KHII, and killing Xemnas ends the game.
How is it possible that he can only be fought after sealing Keyholes and defeating Xemnas?  There are no keyholes in KHII, and killing Xemnas ends the game.


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{{EO|time=14:18, May 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=I agree, ShadowsTwilight, but would it be possible for someone to find the LS's BBS T-Render and animate it so we could get an image like this :
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I think it ought to be merged. Let's put it to a vote. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 00:12, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
I think it ought to be merged. Let's put it to a vote. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 00:12, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


To merge this with Terra would be the same thing as merging Vanitas Remnant with Vanitas. I don't think it should be merged at all. And besides, doesn't the LS have it's own journal entry? [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:15, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
To merge this with Terra would be the same thing as merging Vanitas Remnant with Vanitas. I don't think it should be merged at all. And besides, doesn't the LS have it's own journal entry? [[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[File:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 00:15, November 21, 2010 (UTC)


LS have its own entry in KHIIFM+ but I don't know about BbS. Anndd... I don't think it's the same with Vanitas-Vantis Remnant case since LS is canon character :/ {{User:17master/Sign}}
LS have its own entry in KHIIFM+ but I don't know about BbS. Anndd... I don't think it's the same with Vanitas-Vantis Remnant case since LS is canon character :/ {{User:17master/Sign}}
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::Psst, KrytenKoro, if the Sentiment is Terra's Nobody, then where's his Heartless? O.O --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 04:21, November 22, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123
::Psst, KrytenKoro, if the Sentiment is Terra's Nobody, then where's his Heartless? O.O --Never fear ... [[User:Superdog1123| Superdog]] is here! <sup>[[User talk: Superdog1123| Yipee! :D]]</sup> 04:21, November 22, 2010 (UTC)Superdog1123


The Sentiment is not Terra's Nobody, it's his soul. His Nobody is Xemnas. His Heartless is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness.--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 04:23, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
The Sentiment is not Terra's Nobody, it's his soul. His Nobody is Xemnas. His Heartless is Ansem, Seeker of Darkness.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 04:23, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


Y'alls word against Nomura's. The LS is Terra's Nobody by technicality, in the sense that it possesses the components that make up a Nobody, i.e. a body (the armor) and a motivating source (Terra's mind), it's not a normal Nobody, or even a literal Nobody, but it is essentially a Nobody because it's general construct resembles a Nobody--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 04:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
Y'alls word against Nomura's. The LS is Terra's Nobody by technicality, in the sense that it possesses the components that make up a Nobody, i.e. a body (the armor) and a motivating source (Terra's mind), it's not a normal Nobody, or even a literal Nobody, but it is essentially a Nobody because it's general construct resembles a Nobody--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 04:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


So, I guess the LS is what you called a "Special Nobody" or not?--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 04:37, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
So, I guess the LS is what you called a "Special Nobody" or not?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 04:37, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


I guess so--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 05:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
I guess so--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 05:35, November 22, 2010 (UTC)


Hmm...Okay, then!--'''[[User:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#FBEC5D;">Ninja</span>]][[User talk:NinjaSheik|<span style="color:#87CEFA;">Sheik</span>]]''' 05:45, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...Okay, then!--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 05:45, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
 
== Will's Cage ==
 
The cage produced by the Lingering Sentiment in its final battle is named "Will's Cage"[http://i52.tinypic.com/44501.jpg]. The kanji used for "Will" is ''shinen'', the same word used for the "Sentiment" in "Lingering Sentiment". It seems pretty clear that the cage is literally the sentiment's cage, so I propose we move this article to "Lingering Will".[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 16:15, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
Lingering Will? What is that? {{User:17master/Sign}}
 
What Kryten is proposing is that Lingering Will is the English name for the Lingering Sentiment, when he mentioned "will" and "sentiment" having the same kanji, he's implying that Will's Cage uses the word Will as a short version of the Lingering Will, labeling it as a cage that it made--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 16:27, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
For example: suppose that Beast was not named in the English script or journal, but that we knew that the English-named "Beast's Castle" was his castle anyway, and that the katakana in "Beast" matched the Japanese name of the character. We would easily say that the character's name was "Beast".[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 16:35, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
:No. I like Sentiment better. Hell, even Remnant. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 16:29, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with maggosh, Sentiment sounds a lot better. Lingering Will sounds like a... form-less ghost or something :/ Oh, and thanks for the explanation, ST :D {{User:17master/Sign}}
:"Remnant" and "Sentiment" aren't even that accurate as translations of the kanji, which is most literally "Thought" (Lingering Thoughts, Vanitas's Thoughts, etc.) Sentiment also has a connotation of tenderness in English, which is not the meaning intended by the kanji (pretty much "mind-bits"). Furthermore, "Lingering Will" is a phrase actually used in English, rather than syfy Engrish like "Lingering Sentiment". Even if the adjective bit of this isn't ironed down dub-wise, this translation is at least closer to an accurate name.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 16:35, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
:...But Sentiment just sounds so cool D: Besides isn't the name "Lingering Sentiment" used by many unofficial translators? Not that I doubt you or anything, but they're more experienced in this kind of stuff, aren't they? :/ {{User:17master/Sign}}
 
While i agree with 17, i'll have to admit Kryten makes a compelling argument--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 16:58, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 
{{neumannz|time=17:57, November 30, 2010 (UTC)|text=Don't talk about what everyone else does unless you know exactly who said it first and why. We do not bend to peer pressure.
 
Honestly, I'm finding "Lingering Will" to be a pretty accurate description, at least as much as "Lingering Sentiment" is. I could get used to it.}}
 
{{Chihuahuaman|time=23:28, December 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=I agree. zit would make more sense to move it to a more acurate name then to keep the inacurate name.}}
 
{{Dark-EnigmaXIII|time=22:22, December 25, 2010 (UTC)|text2=So, ummm... are we moving this or not? Personally, I like Lingering Sentiment better, but since this is about acuracy in the translation, I think it shoul be Lingering Will}}
 
{{ErryTalk|time=17:45, January 5, 2011 (UTC)|saix=I agree with moving it to Lingering Will.}}
:If there are no objections by tomorrow, I'm going to move it, and we can start correcting it across the wiki.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:02, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Three days. So, uh......what's the delay? I mean, I remove the merging tag and its put back because there's still a discussion, which now seems to have finished. If it's not changed by tomorrow, I'm removing the tag. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 21:02, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
Sure, because the decision falls to you, huh?  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 00:42, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
:No, not because the decision falls to me. Someone gives a deadline to move the page, and by the time the deadline passes, nothing's been done, so in that case, it's best to give a little reminder which looks like a warning. I wasn't really going to take it off. It was just to get everyone's attention to this subject again. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 12:31, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
There were no objections to what Kryten said for several days. The article ''should'' have been moved by now. EnglishJoker just really wants the move tag gone. That said, don't remove the tag until ''after'' the page has been moved or it was decided to stay the same.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}00:52, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
No No No.Bull shit.This artical name should stay the Lingering Sentiment.--[[User:The Dark Master|Master]]
 
Why? Give some sources and reasons as to why it should have an un-official name other than "it sounds cooler". This discussion was started on November 30th and you're only now raising issues?{{USer:LapisScarab/Sig}}02:56, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
Well it has been said that the Lingering Sentiment was created through Terra's feelings and emotion which is what Sentiment refers to.So refreing to it as the Lingering Sentiment would be best as to describe its existence.--[[User:The Dark Master]]
:The literal meaning does not matter in this case; when we do not have official confirmation of a term, we have to translate the Japanese term to the best of our ability. Since we now have English justification that the subject of this article is called "Lingering Will", and that the location in ''Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep'' matches this name in the North American version, we can easily call it correct. Similarly, if Nomura created a new Heartless based on a flame, has fires for arms, creates blazing pools as it walks, uses fire-based attacks, and is yet called "Blizzard Heart" or something non-fire based, we would name it Blizzard Heart on the wiki, NOT something based on its meaning. Simply put, translation before meaning. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 03:13, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
Terra-Xehanort directly refers to the armor as containing Terra's mind ("Why does your mind resist"), and "Lingering Will" is a better translation.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}03:13, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Canon? ==
 
I was just wondering... whenever Sora encountered the Lingering Sentiment, is that canon, or was irrevelant to the story?--[[User:KRoNoS|KRoNoS]] 18:22, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
I'm not entirely sure but I am assuming it is canon as he mentions Terra, Aqua and Ventus as they are all connected to Sora, it was probably the prelude to both Re:coded and Birth by Sleep. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 18:59, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
:It ''is'' canon. Tetsuya Nomura said it in an interview about the Mysterious Figure in BBS. They both appear in scenes that don't seem canon, yet they are. It's how Terra is connected to Sora. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 18:50, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
== Will's Voice ==
 
In the trivia it says that "At the end of Terra's scenario in Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep, the Lingering Will briefly talks with Terra's voice, yet in Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix, it appears to communicate with Sora by using metallic sounds, which Sora, Donald, and Goofy understand perfectly well. This discrepancy is not explained." I'd think the reason would be that square didn't hire a voice actor for Terra at the time of KHIIFM, just thought i'd put that out there. Xavnirs
 
:It used to say that, but it was deleted as speculation (BS, I know). It's obvious it's because the voice actors hadn't yet been cast. [[User:EnglishJoker|EnglishJoker]] 10:32, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
::What are you talking about? Read the article before you start bitching. I only removed the last part about how the "discrepency is not explained". Not because it's speculation, in fact it's technically true from an in-game perspective, but because it was bad writing. It's an awkward, accusatory tone to use and, in real-world terms, is easily explained as Xavnirs said. {{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}19:29, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Its a secret boss in KHIIFM, not to mention it was terra's lost heart not the Lingering Will's voice calling out, the Lingering Will is the left behind feelings and regrets of Terra.--[[User:Lugiarules100|Lugiarules100]] 17:57, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
i'm sorry if i started any arguments, i was just explaining the meaning of the discrepancy if square hadn't already explained it(which they didn't). Xavnirs 13:04, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
:You didn't start an agrument, and in fact you inspired a change in the Trivia piece you brought up. Its just a pet peeve of mine when people make assumptions without reading what they're talking about.{{User:LapisScarab/Sig}}13:23, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
Speaking about the voice, I have a question: You know that when the voices are set to English in KHIIFM, the characters who have extra lines don't communicate, right? I can understand the Will lacking a voice when it's set to English, but what happens when the voices are set to ''Japanese''? Does the Will still not have a voice?
 
This is just something I need to make sure, and I'll be grateful if someone can provide me feedback on this. <sup>'''[[User:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#4997D0">Tambours</font>]]'''</sup><sub>'''[[User talk:Troisnyxetienne|<font color="#191970">Néant</font>]]'''</sub> '''[[User:Troisnyxetienne/Mensa|<font color="silver">Ensemble !</font>]]''' 21:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 
== What's a harken? ==
 
I saw that the Lingering Will can turn the Ends of the Earth into a "harken-like weapon". One question: What the heck is a harken? If this is a typo, fix it, please--otherwise, I think a link to a definition would be appreciated.[[User:FerreTrip |<span style="color:tan;"><b>FT</b></span>]] 05:37, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
:It's the german word for "Hook". I don't know why they wouldn't just say "hook".{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 10:55, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
==Sentiment, not "Will"==
{{EO|time=16:16, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|hooded=I've thought about it for quite some time, and I'm still against calling this guy the "Lingering Will", as well as it having a voice actor. Here is all my logic/evidence supporting why I think we should remove its listed VA's and change its name back to the Japanese one:
 
*Will's Cage, first of all, is a name discovered via hacking, '''NOT''' official gameplay, hence it is not official and should not be considered as such (it's the same case as the two Ultima Weapon palette swaps discovered in the coding of ''Kingdom Hearts II''). Otherwise, this is '''PURE SPECULATION''' (teh ebil...)!!! Also, this name is just a lame attempt at being creative/mystical. It is not referring to Terra's dispatched armor in terms of possession. While the armor DID surround Terranort with a force field of some sort, which would technically mean the armor owned it, we must remember that it is (in the Japanese version), the last of Terra's emotions/thoughts, which are triggered by the brain. Will is another thing involved with the brain, but it ultimately controls the thoughts and emotions of a person. If anything, TERRA is the Will from "Will's Cage", not the armor, which are Terra's thoughts and emotions (Will, by definition, is the faculty of conscious and especially of deliberate action; the power of control the mind has over its own actions. The Lingering Sentiment's actions aren't its own, but '''TERRA''''s!). As you can see, there is NO similarity between the meanings of these two names from the Japanese-"English" transitition, as is normally the case. To further support this claim, Terranort says "So why does your mind resist!?" to the armor. '''MIND''', people! That's the key term! In the Japanese version of ''Birth by Sleep'', the Lingering Sentiment is Terra's remaining thoughts and emotions, and that was my point of mentioning how both are triggered by the brain, a synonym of which is the '''MIND''' (Terranort's quote was originally used in an attempt to prove that the name change should stay, and the reason why it was used to was purely '''OPINIONATED'''!!!)! Also, "Sentiment" is a synonym for "Emotion". Through this evaluation, it is obvious that '''TERRA''' is the will of Will's Cage, and the armor is the thoughts/emotion, like in the Japanese version (Japanese canon seems to trump English canon about the armor, hence I think its name should be reverted). Will controls thoughts and emotion; The last of Terra controls his dispatched armor.
*The Lingering Sentiment '''DOES NOT''' have a voice actor. One of any film or voice actor-using game's "increase the drama" tools is the ability to hint at the presence of a deceased person who speaks to a surviving character by using the dead person's voice while adding an echo-effect. This is done with Terra's voice at the end of both the English '''AND''' Japanese version of ''Birth by Sleep''. This is symbollic of Terra's fading presence, how it is one of his last thoughts and promises regarding Ventus and Aqua. These words are '''NOT''' coming from the Lingering Sentiment, but from Terra himself. This, which I've tried to prove to the Wiki community '''COUNTLESS''' times, is why the Lingering Sentiment is totally silent in ''Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix'', save for the metallic "whoosh" sounds it makes when it speaks. If the Lingering Sentiment had a voice actor, you'd hear "Hee-yah!" and "Rah!" coming from inside the armor during the battle with Terranort. Also (and this is probably the most crucial detail that erases any counter-speculation on my part), the Lingering Sentiment is not named or referred to specifically '''AT ALL''' during the game's credits in the English or Japanese versions!
 
 
It is for these reasons that I feel the "Lingering Will" should remain known on the Wiki as the "Lingering Sentiment" and its VA's should be removed from the character template.}}
 
{{Chitalian8|time=17:42, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|talk= I can't really compete with that wall-o'-text, but it's not like hacking is digging up false info, rather uncovering info that the developers already had in the game. Also, the kanji used in the "Will" in "Will's Cage" is ''shinen'', same as the Japanese for Sentiment. Also, [http://www.khwiki.net/Talk:Lingering_Will#Will.27s_Cage the Sentiment/Will thing was discussed earlier].}}
{{EO|time=18:08, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|talktext=I'm willing to repeat discussions as often as I have to in order to prove my point. The point I was trying to make, Chitalian and any who read this in the future, is that hacking is NOT a good source for official material, as what it produces is ultimately non-canon. It's finding sub-official material, and that's it. We, as a Wiki, should only consider what is in-game official, NOT what is discovered via coding. Otherwise, you may as well create an article on the Jungle Book world, as well as the Chamber of Waking, Destiny Islands, and Ventus's Room areas that were ALSO discovered through hacking. My point is this is not technically official material. Nomura and even the ''Ultimania'' never said "This area is called Will's Cage." Hence it is not technically canon/official. There is also more canon supporting the Japanese name rather than the English one, which was an INFERENCE and ASSUMPTION only, regardless of coincidence with kanji. No source, be it the game, Nomura, et cetera EVER calls the Lingering Sentiment by another name, and no source EVER refers to that force field-enclosed area of the Keyblade Graveyard "Will's Cage".
 
Even so, you neglected to address your opinion about what we should do about the voice acting bit...}}
 
{{AlVan|time18:35, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|text=It's not that big a deal. It's just a title.}}
 
{{Chitalian8|time=18:58, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|text= I don't have much to argue about regarding the voice actor thing. But when was Sentiment ever officially used? Will is much closer to what ''shinen'' means than Sentiment, ''shinen'' most closely meaning "thoughts".}}
 
{{Asif|sho=Here we go again...
 
ENX, going by what you're saying about not using hacks, I believe the most fitting name for it would be the Lingering Remnant.  Before you yell at me for being ridiculous, just hear me out.
 
The only other "sentiment/will/remnant" seen so far is the Vanitas Remnant.  In Japanese, the word "shinen" is used in the place of "remnant", as in "The Shinen (thoughts) of Vanitas".  It is also used in the Japanese Lingering Will/Sentiment/Remnant's name, as in "The Lingering Shinen (thoughts)".  Seeing as how the word "shinen" was translated to "remnant" in Birth by Sleep, the safest name for the Lingering Sentiment/Will/Remnant is the Lingering Remnant.  It is based off of an official translation, did not involve any hacking of the game, and is, in my humble opinion, as "official" as it gets until an official English name is released.
 
I don't quite know about the VA part, although I interpreted Terra's voice at the end to be the feelings inside the Lingering Remnant talking, expressing his desire to set things right.  Although what you said about dead people speaking in movies is extremely valid, that is just how I interpreted the scene.  I also think the reason the Lingering Remnant's voice sounds metallic in KHIIFM is that a seiyyu (sorry if I misspelled that) had simply not been cast yet, similarly to Xemnas in KHFM. That is why I think the Lingering Remnant's VAs should be listed.
 
Thanks for listening to my five cents.}}
{{TNE|time=20:04, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|blahtext=In all honesty, if they came up with VAs for the Absent Silhouettes, they could've easily come up with one for Terra's armour. Everything sounded so fluid, except for Terra's armour... There was an interval of one year... Chances are that it was intended, then, rather than because of SE's failure to find a ''seiyuu''.
 
And on a side note (can't believe I'm veering off at this time, but I need to get my head back...), doesn't hacked content fall under Removed Content most of the time? This time, it isn't removed — it is a name...
 
I assume that the English version doesn't state what this armour's name actually is (and I might be playing it soon... who knows?), so I'll go with As if's suggestion of "remnant" as the most accurate translation of ''shinen''. Thoughts and will are two different things.}}
 
{{Chitalian8|time=21:26, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|happy= Yeah, I agree with Lingering Remnant (why didn't I think of that?).}}
 
{{ErryTalk|time=22:13, 11 April 2011 (EDT)|kk=The name was found via hacking, but the area itself is called Will's Cage and it shows up in the end boss fight... I don't see it not being official material, anything that is included in the game at start is official material. Only when, and ONLY when it is not included at the start it is unofficial material, such as the Jungle Book world, it was all hidden away, and [[Removed content in the Kingdom Hearts series#The Jungle Book World|we do have an article about that]]. I think it's fine as it is.}}
{{LA|Vtext=We've always considered content viewed through hacks "canon", I believe. If it wasn't featured in the game at all, then it's removed content. If it's the name of a map that's only viewable through hacks, it's still canon, we just never got the opportunity during the game to see it. We're hosting too much stuff pulled from hacks to say that none of it should be used. That'd be urinating on Shard and the other editor-hackors by saying that all the work they've done was for nothing.
 
As for the name itself, there's nothing wrong with "Lingering Will". While it does come from a rather vague source, it works better than "Sentiment", which is, though "Lingering Sentiment" rolls nicely off the tongue, an ass-pull on translator's parts. Personally, I believe "Lingering Remnant" would work best in this scenario. At least it's a confirmed translation of ''shinen''.
 
But in all seriousness, it's a name. Not really worth a speech, IMO.}}
{{neumannz|time=23:47, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
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OK, first off, there's no reason not to consider Will's Cage as an official name. It was inserted, by the developers, as part of the game, so unless and until it is CONTRADICTED by other sources, that is the name we should accept as canon. (We do, in fact, cover some things that are only in the code, and not just the removed content, neither.)
 
I'm not sure what your next point is. Obviously the "will" is Terra's. The armor is animated by Terra's will. The LW is an extension of Terra. Where are you going with this? Also, thoughts and emotion are not the same thing. If anything, "will" is closer to "thoughts" and "mind", and "sentiment" is closer to "emotion". (See [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Lake_guardians Mesprit vs. Azelf])
 
And why do you think there are two different forces here? Why is the power behind the creation of the Will's Cage different than the power that is animating the armor? The related (Japanese) names and—rather blatant—concurrance would indicate that they are the same power, which would be the ''shinen''.
 
I don't know what makes "Sentiment" less speculative than "Will". It's just as fan-made, and less supported by in-game materials.
 
I would agree that it doesn't have a voice actor, though. I'm not sure whether to say it has no voice at all, considering that, after all, Xemnas didn't have a voice actor in KHFM, even though we '''''know''''' he has a voice. The metalic "voice" could simply be a dramatic device, like Xemnas's <span style="font-family:Algerian; background:black"><big>OMINOUS NOISES</big></span>, and not actually indicative of whether the LW has its own voice or not, let alone whether it would sound like Terra.
 
Honestly, I think the strongest argument for going back to "Sentiment" is because "Lingering Sentiment" has a much cooler and more mystical sound to it than "Lingering Will".
 
In conclusion, you should organize and space out your arguments better, so that we can read them, and you should be much less demagogic in your arguments, because it makes you sound like a crazy person (or a pundit... *cough*Glenn Beck*cough*) and people will have a harder time taking you seriously.
 
P.S. I'm not sure if I really like "Lingering Remnant" as an alternative, although I do understand the reasoning behind it and note that it is a valid argument.}}
{{DTN|time=00:11, 12 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Like many things, hacking is a tool that is only justifiable and useful to a certain extent. We use hacking to find two types of information--''hidden'' and ''removed''. Obviously stuff like the Jungle Book world and the Pleakley model were completely removed from the game and those are just remnants of what remains. However, some information isn't necessarily removed content, but rather material that we cannot view ''without'' hacking. I think the area "Will's Cage" is one of those areas, since a title of this location had to be input to the game in its coding. It isn't removed because (1) the location is present in-game and (2) the title of the place is identifiable with a tool that allows us to see it. We need not go through extensive files and to the bottom of listings to find small snippets of coding and items that were not meant to be in the game to find "Will's Cage."
 
As far as to say anything about "Lingering Remnant", I absolutely abhor that. From what we've seen in the past, the nature and behavior of a Remnant is nothing more than a violent persona with no signs of independent thoughts or motives... other than, of course, to create Sora Pudding out of our Keyblade-bearing protagonist. The Lingering ''Will'' shows that it has cohesive, independent thoughts and motives canonically, even when it remains outside of a weapon-marked portal for years in the Keyblade Graveyard. That's what I've got to say on the matter.}}
{{neumannz|time=00:41, 12 April 2011 (EDT)|text=I think you're confusing "Remnant" with "Replica", Doorsey.}}
{{LA|Vtext=Actually, unless there's any other "remnant" I'm forgetting, he's right, considering Vanitas' is the only one we've seen so far. I think it's a generalization on a subject that we don't really know about, but there isn't a lot to go from here besides what's on the table.}}
{{DTN|time=02:33, 12 April 2011 (EDT)|text=Oh frig. Dang it, Odion!</Malik Blishtar>
 
I meant [[Absent Silhouette]]s, which are seemingly equivalent personas to Remnants (Vanitas's Remnant). Thanks for the notice, Neumannzy.}}
{{KrytenKoro|Given:
*A: The name of the area is given in the same manner as all other room names, and is just unable to be viewed in the game due to lack of menu-pausing,
*B1: The name of the area in Japanese uses "Shinen", the same as the second part of the creature's name,
*B2: The nature of the area (a cage created by the creature), implies that the name refers to the creature's,
*C: "Will" is a valid translation of "Shinen", and does not have the false connotations of sympathy and pity that "sentiment" does, and for the needed connotation of "sentiment", is an exact synonym,
*D: There are no official translations of the creature's name in any other source,
*E: All other "hacks" of this type have yet to be contradicted; in cases where we get the names from other sources, such as the Ultimania or later games, those names match what was found through the "hack",
*F: According to Nomura, the creature is explicitly the same as that fought in KH2,
*G1: We use the most official dub when we have it, and provide "translation" notes when we don't.
*G2: We use the most recent dub when we have it, and provide "translation" notes when we don't.
 
Then:
*Alpha: E provides A as meaning it is at the very least semi-official, thus satisfying G1 as being usable for the room name,
*Beta: D and C provide that B1, B2, and Alpha can be used to inform G1, in that we are still translating the name ourselves,
*Gamma: F and Beta allow us to use the name of the creature in KHBBS and the name of the creature in KH2 to dub/translate its name most accurately as "Lingering Will".
 
And yes, I know that this is absolutely not the right form for mathematical proofs.
 
 
PS: If we did not have Will's Cage to provide "Lingering Will", then "Lingering Remnant" would be the next best thing. While Lingering Sentiment is the most common term used in the fanbase, from what I remember it came from the same people who gave you "13 Mushroom" and "Two Across" as the name of the two KHIIFM keyblades.}}
 
{{neumannz|time=14:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)|bdave=[http://youtu.be/MMmfUc5WN5o?t=1m13s AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND... SCENE!]}}
 
== Lingering Will just houses Terra's anger, not mind or soul. ==
 
[http://www.mediafire.com/download/vf01a910fdv9xo4/xehanort+exp+record+%28full+size+translated%29.png Source]. It's very close to just being an Unversed.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:42, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
:Noting that Xehanort claims it is his mind.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 
== Kingdom Hearts Concert -First Breath- Info ==
 
Why is the information from the concert keep g xeetting removed? Either keep the information or remove the section entirely. [[User:Hallowseve97|Hallowseve97]] ([[User talk:Hallowseve97|talk]]) 04:05, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
:Oooooor follow the wiki's policies, where we have a framework for the section inviting people to edit, but if material is noted not up to snuff, we comment it out to allow the editor to refine it?
:As far as "why", the explanation is right there on the page and has been for a while.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:32, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 
The information was there though and whoever edited it summed up the translation that KHInsider and/or KH13 did.
 
"''Lingering Will meets with Naminé, who had found her way to him by following Sora's heart. He wonders who she is and she explains that she is a witch who can manipulate memory. She also says she knows that he is bound by two hearts: Terra's and Xehanort's. She then reassures him that help is coming soon and she tells him to not give up and to keep on fighting. Lingering Will said, "Aqua, Ven!" as though talking to Naminé had made him remember their names.''"
 
Seems summed up perfectly. Maybe just needed some slight rewording. [[User:Hallowseve97|Hallowseve97]] ([[User talk:Hallowseve97|talk]]) 15:52, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 
: Then it should be reworded and given a proper source before it's unhidden. But so far it is a great summary! :D {{User:Chainoffire/sig}} 16:01, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
::Okay, since people aren't reading them:
#Cite to first breath concert, not fansite (credit translation to translator on our article for concert)
#identify what it is "after"
#rewrite with appropriate brevity
 
The section as currently worded will not be restored until those are dealt with. Right now, it is cited to a fansite, is not correctly placed into the timeline, and is a script regurgitation instead of simply focusing on the intent of the scene.[[Special:Contributions/204.11.142.106|204.11.142.106]] 20:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 
 
 
== KH3 Ultimania about LW ==
 
—What happened to the Lingering Will after the battle?
 
Nomura: When Terra was revived it caused the Will to vanish, and the armor disappeared. But Keyblade Wielder's armour is like a Keyblade in that even if it disappears, it can be summoned again so long as the wearer is in their usual condition.
 
 
 
So LW was still there untill Terra got revived. Which means the fight with Terra-Xehanort has gone to nowhere?
 
== Mowing the Article ==
Shouldn't we have the Lingering Will be a "Sub-section?", "Second Article?", don't really know the name for it but to Terra.  Similar to how we have Anti-Aqua to Aqua. also not related but does "Second Article" have an official name on the wiki. I'm kinda a noob on Wikis, also sorry for bad English [[User:ScandinavianViking|ScandinavianViking]] ([[User talk:ScandinavianViking|talk]]) 00:17, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
:I believe the reason why we don’t have at it is for the same reason that we don’t have tabs on Nobodies and their sombodies: They are seperate beings. Anti-Aqua is still Aqua just infected with darkness while Lingering Will is an entirely new being similar to Nobodies and Heartless. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 01:09, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
 
== (The) Lingering Will ==
 
Regarding whether or not (the) Lingering Will has an article when being referred to, I don't believe it is ever referred to in-game or in the journal explicitly with or without the article, however I did see that in the interview given in the page (citation 1), Nomura refers to it as "the Will", so take of that what you will.
:Isn’t that a fan translation though? One would have to look at the original version of the interview to consider whether it could be translated either way. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 02:37, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
::The Japanese language doesn't use words like "the", so interviews aren't going to help. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:42, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
::EDIT: It seems that the cutscene in KH3 is called "The Lingering Will". {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 13:01, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
:::If the cutscene is called that then I guess either version is fine. - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 23:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
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