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 :::Provided we don't see any reason to doubt that, I'm cool with it. Probably should ping the other staffers tho.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 12:59, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 ::::I'm fine with using this information now, but I remember a discussion about [[Talk:Kingdom Hearts χ#Beast's Castle|Beast's Castle being found in KHx]], where we had to wait until it was actually added to the game. Once again, I'm fine with using the "leak", but if we have a set rule about this, we should follow it. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
+:::::That's a case of information in the game actually expanding and potentially not going live. For this, we just need to confirm that it's all actually baked in.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
+==VA's Confirmation==
+There's a bit of dispute going on Ephermera's page regarding whether Mr. Michael Johnston's confirmation on voicing him between me and another user. The tweet that was first posted did not give an outright confirmation. Mr. Johnston did not, in fact, say yes to the any of the fans' question when he asked. The other user claims he did, but I see no confirmation whatsoever. I protected the page to avoid an edit war. If there is a source with Mr. Johnston clearly confirming he's voicing Ephermera?--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 01:10, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+:[http://images.khinsider.com/2016%20Uploads/06/twitter-michaeljvo-2.png This] seems like it's him congratulating a fan for recognizing his voice, although it has since been scrubbed from twitter which is why you might not have seen it. We should probably link to the khinsider article for now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+::Thank you, Kryten, for posting the image. I was looking at Mr. Johnston's Twitter account directly for the confirmation, but didn't see it there at all. So, he deleted it. That explains it, but I still have my reservations about using it. Ethically, anyway. True, it's a confirmation, albeit a somewhat indirect one. Still, Mr. Johnston realized it violated his NDA contract and deleted that confirmation on his Twitter for a reason. I wonder if it's really okay to use here. Hopefully, he hasn't been booted off the project for that small mishap, and [[Talk:Xehanort#English Voice Actor Clarification|this isn't like the last time with Young Xehanort's VA when ''KH3D'' before came out]]. Given everything that happened with YX's VA, I'd rather just wait until the official release, and I'd rather just respect Mr. Johnston's wish. That's my two cents on the matter. Anyway, this is settled, so I'll unprotect the page now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+:::You are absolutely unbelievable.  Even with the head admin coming in here to fix this, you're still dancing to your own tune.  It's ridiculous that I even had to ask him.  If Johnston came to your house directly, and beat you upside the head telling you that he's in it and voicing said character, you'd still push your own personal opinions over everything else.  --[[Special:Contributions/68.200.112.142|68.200.112.142]] 19:40, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+::::You're over-reacting, so please calm down. I'm just stating my opinion, and that's it. I'm not "pushing" my opinion on anyone. If the wiki wants to use it, that's on you guys. I'm not outright declaring we should take it off, but simply saying that I, a user who edits here, have concerns on whether or not using a tweet, which the VA himself deleted because that's the law in accordance with his NDA contact, on the wiki is really all right. Legally, Mr. Johnston should not done that in the first place, so he deleted it because he didn't want to violate his contract and revealed to the public that's he voicing Ephemera.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 19:54, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+:::::There's no such thing as a "head admin". {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:23, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+::::::For future reference -- the cite that was on the page was one in which Johnston ''merely retweeted'' someone asking if he voiced Ephemera (and relevantly, this link shows several confused twitterati asking "wait, is this actually confirmation?"). At no point did the anon link the archived tweet in which Johnston actually makes the confirmation. Ninja voiced her confusion at using the tweet as a cite, pointing out that the ''current'' tweet makes no statement either way. The only reason the article is currently noting Johnston as the VA is because I ''personally happened to be aware of the deleted tweet that the anon was obliquely referencing but neglecting to provide'', '''not''' because I am a "head admin".
+::::::Anon: You've been blocked for repeated personal attacks after I ''already let you know'' that wouldn't be acceptable. If you come back once your block is done, ''provide citations first''. This has been a repeated issue in the last few days, leading to completely needless edit wars.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:42, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+:::::::I don't doubt that Mr. Johnston is voicing Emphemera, but because he deleted that tweet, it can't be used. But now with the archived link, I'm just expressing my concern if it's okay to really use it. Is questioning that wrong or something? The wiki went through numerous issues regarding VAs confirmations in the past; all I'm doing is making sure our bases are covered now. Just look at debate about YX on the talk page, for example. Like I said, if guys want to use the archived tweet image Kryten posted as evidence, I won't object, but again, Mr. Johnston deleted it for a reason - the reason being he violated his NDA contract by indirectly confirming he's voicing Ephemera (and probably, he still is). He realized his mistake and took it off. Out of respect for him, using that deleted tweet just feels ''wrong'' to me.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:19, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+:::::::::The debate about YX on the talk page was about YX ''sounding'' like Ben Diskin, if I recall correctly -- once we had a usable cite, we went with it. At this point, the cat's out of the bag with Mr. Johnston -- the archived tweet is already being passed around virtually all of the fansites. We shouldn't ''encourage'' people to bother the VAs, but I don't think we can justify ignoring reliably cited info as anything but a sentimental effort.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:34, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+::::::::::Not to mention, whether or not if Mr. Diskin was voicing YX or if Mr. David Gallagher was. Turned out, both of them did voice YX. Mr. Gallagher for the trailer/clip, but Mr. Diskin for the final production when the game was officially released, which he explained in that image on YX's talk page. Hopefully, this isn't the case with Mr. Johnston. And hopefully, he's still on the project and not fired for violating his NDA contract. Ethically, still feels wrong to use it, but if the wiki or any other site wants to use it, then that's that.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
+::::If Johnston had to delete his implied confirmation response to a person asking if he was Ephemer (he didn't delete the retweet, incidentally) because of a possible NDA violation, then what does this mean about the other two VAs, Quinn and Staples, who recently straight-up confirmed their voice roles - after even taking pictures of the recording booth? Haven't they violated their NDA worse? [[Special:Contributions/82.36.144.164|82.36.144.164]] 06:42, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
+::::::No, it doesn't. Don't worry. After all, if they didn't delete, then that must mean that the company gave them permission to confirm it. NDA exists for a reason, and while it may not seem like a big deal to fans if an actor/actress confirms whether or not their roles are in a given production, the very fact NDA contracts exist is proof that it is a big deal to them and the people working on it. A lot of fans who follow productions of television series, movies, video games, etc. know that actors or actresses can't confirm anything unless given permission to do so. The very fact Mr. Johnston deleted his indirect confirmation is proof of that, but not Mr. Quinn or Mr. Staples, who, if they freely admitted, must have given permission to do so, even to post pics of the recording booths. [http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2013/01/24/jesse-mccartney-hints-at-kingdom-hearts-voice-work-likely-the-english-hd-remix/ I also recall when Mr. Jesse McCartney was recording Roxas for the ''Remix'' he posted a pic of himself in the recording booth, too, on his Instagram, but he then deleted], probably because he wasn't supposed to do it without asking for permission.
+:::::Bottom line is this: Cast announcements is all timing and preparations. It's okay for actors/actresses to give out hints to fans and teased them about it, but nothing too telling, [https://www.reddit.com/r/KingdomHearts/comments/4n817f/kh28_matthew_mercer_just_liked_my_tweet_asking_if/ similarly to how Mr. Matthew Mercer just liked a tweet when a fan asked if voiced] [[Foreteller Ira]] after the trailer came out. He didn't confirm it, nor did he really deny it. Mr. Mercer is a very experienced VA, so he knows how the process works. Mr. Johnston made a mistake when he indirectly confirmed he's voicing Ephemer so soon after the trailer was released; Mr. Mercer, on the other hand, did not confirm nor deny he's voicing Ira, which what Mr. Johnston should've done. Enough time has passed, so if two VAs confirmed their roles and haven't take off the tweets yet, then it means they got permission to do so.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 23:43, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
+:::::::: Ah, so the problem with Johnston was his saying actual words - not explicit words, but words nonetheless - either too early or without having the same individual permission? (Again, his retweet, which implies just as much as his original tweet and was made the same day, has not been removed.) [[Special:Contributions/82.36.144.164|82.36.144.164]] 11:31, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
+:::::::::Yes. In fact, the thing about Mr. McCartney releasing that image was noted on the ''Remix'' page that it was taken down when Square Enix was notified of it, which further proves that actors/actress shouldn't confirm anything unless they given permission to do. If Mr. Johnston had asked prior to indirectly confirming his role, then he wouldn't have deleted it. Again, to fans, it's not a big deal, because we think, "Yay, he's voicing this character!" and that's it. But obviously, it is a big deal to his boss(es), hence the reason why taken it off in the first place.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 02:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
+==Typo==
+Are we absolutely sure that his name is actually Ephemer or could it just be a typo? Unchained X is full of typos, so couldn't this just be another typo? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 00:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
+:We're sure, as it says so in the Notification for the Story update. And I've only been witness to, like, two typos in the whole game. Both times they weren't even misspelled words but incorrect words, like "if" instead of "it". [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
+::Oh, that sucks. Ephemer definitely does not roll off the tongue as well as Ephemera does. It doesn't even sound like a name to me. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 23:47, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
+:::You're right about it not rolling off the tongue, but Ephemera isn't exactly the most masculine name there is. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:34, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
+::::...how can you determine whether a made-up name sounds masculine or feminine? Yeah, names like John or David are obviously masculine and names like Emma or Jennifer are obviously feminine, but how do you determine if "Ephemera" is masculine or feminine? "Ephemer" doesn't sound any more or any less masculine or feminine to me. --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 05:51, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
+:::::Not to mention that whether it's masculine or not is hardly relevant. Sora's not a traditionally masculine sounding name in english, and in fact, people who have heard the name before may be able to name more women named Sora than men. Sadly, the name's Ephemer, and we gotta deal with it. --[[Special:Contributions/68.226.218.27|68.226.218.27]] 16:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
+::::::True, but Sora is Japanese, compared to Ephemera which is an English word adapted from either Latin or Greek. And I personally prefer Ephemer to Ephemera. In my opinion, I think it sounds better as a boy's name. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 00:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
+:::::It's not a "made-up name", not according to the actual page. Ephemera is a real word, it's just not used as a name often, if ever. It doesn't sound masculine to me for two reasons. Firstly, because not a lot of male names end with the letter "a" in English to my knowledge. And secondly because Ephemera sounds like effeminate, which literally means unmanly. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 00:08, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
+::::::[http://www.behindthename.com/name/ephemera/submitted Further proof]. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:35, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
+== Erased Memories ==
+The line "''Ephemer and Skuld bring Player to the new world, where Player's memories, along with the memories of the other Dandelions, are erased upon arrival.''" should be changed to say that only the memories of the Keyblade War happening were erased. Otherwise, if they were all indeed erased, then it has to be stated that they relived those memories up until the Keyblade War. I'm not sure myself which of the two is correct. [[User:Diamonddeath|Diamonddeath]] ([[User talk:Diamonddeath|talk]]) 00:59, 5 August 2020 (UTC)