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This kind of thing would be fine for a walkthrough (and you can totally start one), sure, but as an encyclopedia, we don't want our pages to have incomplete lists simply to be there.}} | This kind of thing would be fine for a walkthrough (and you can totally start one), sure, but as an encyclopedia, we don't want our pages to have incomplete lists simply to be there.}} | ||
{{LA|Vtext=I get what both of you are saying. The table looks brilliant. But you're right as to how it would take up too much space on the article. I think this template would work better on each Command's separate article, not in one big list.}} | {{LA|Vtext=I get what both of you are saying. The table looks brilliant. But you're right as to how it would take up too much space on the article. I think this template would work better on each Command's separate article, not in one big list.}} | ||
{{TNE|time=11:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)|blahtext=I know it's been a while since this discussion was brought up, but I beg to differ. I just checked the page for Quake as an example, and all it says is that it can be created through Command Melding, and that is all. It doesn't tell you ''what'' to put together. | |||
Final Fantasy X has an entire list of Mixes, for example, and everyone can detail what actually ''goes'' into the mixes. Now, why aren't we doing the same? What you guys are saying, is EFFECTIVELY similar to "We have the sleight values and cards on each ability page; we don't need the Sleight page anymore". That is plain nonsense. To add on to that, the ability pages don't even have enough data. | |||
I'm playing BBS now, and I'm finding it especially troublesome, and I suggest we do something about it. I.e., put the table of command meld possibilities in there right away.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|That is not the argument at all. The reason we don't have a Command Meld table is that it is impossible for us to make one that is comprehensive; all previous attempts had to make gross oversimplifications. | |||
As for what to put together for Quake: Look at the Recipe section. It is ''very'' detailed.}} | |||
{{TNE|time=15:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)|text=So without being funny — if we were to call for a table here, what would we look for? What would ''not'' be oversimplifying it? How would we sort it? Because things which are long overdue need to be at least begun.}} | |||
@Kryten: Not quite. There is one that was closer to comprehensive than any other I've seen so far: [[User:Maggosh/SandboxX]]. --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 16:17, 16 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
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There you go, have at it.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 18:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
:And by this I mean, someone is going to need to go through the guide and build the tables. Someone who has the time to.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:53, 16 November 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Some thoughts on improvement == | |||
The prior discussion on having a table for the command melding recipes for this page reached the appropriate conclusion that the sheer quantity of information was too unwieldly to include on a single page and I fully agree with having that information elsewhere in more manageable chunks. With the amount of information presently on the page though, I feel that it serves little purpose on its own and might be better served by being made a section within the Deck Command (BBS) page. For this page to remain independent, I feel it should at minimum include a list of commands that can be created through Melding, preferably with addition information (i.e. which commands can ONLY be obtained through melding). Notably, the Command Conversion mechanic from Re:Coded is part of the Command Matrix page. At present though, if I'm looking for information on command melding recipes, I'll find that information faster by starting with the Deck Command list than I will with this page. | |||
As a separate discussion, I was thinking about the possibility of a new table template for the individual command pages that offers more details on the recipes a command is used in, not just those that make the command itself. At present, the pages merely list what commands can be made, but asks readers to visit a different page to learn precisely how. One advantage such a table might add is to show the pairing between standard command recipes and rare transformations, something which isn't spelled anywhere. --[[User:JeruTz|JeruTz]] ([[User talk:JeruTz|talk]]) 17:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC) | |||