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==Enhancements==

===Staying on the fan-oriented wiki===

===Going to the new address===

*[[File:Way to the Dawn KHII.png|20px]]'''<span style="font-family:Comic Sans MS">[[User:Chitalian8|<span style="color:#C00000;">Chitalian</span>]][[User talk:Chitalian8|<span style="color:3300FF;">8</span>]]</span>'''[[file:Wayward Wind KHBBS.png|20px]] 21:22, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

*{{SilverCrono/Sig}} 23:32, November 15, 2010 (UTC)

*I could very well stay here to do some test coding and such (like the game that I'm trying to figure out), but the other one will be my home.  {{The Inexistentsig}}

*I'm changing my position. If Sannse represents Wikia, then I no longer want to have anything to do with it--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 02:39, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

*Personally, I don't want to move, but if we are going to put fanon stuff here, I would leave. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 23:08, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

===Going to work on both===

*99% new address, 1% old address. But that's still "both". <span style="font-weight: bold; text-shadow: 1px 1px 2px #000000;">[[ [[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">So</span>]][[User_talk:Soxra|<span style="color: #CC0000;">x</span>]][[User:Soxra|<span style="color: #FFC000;">ra</span>]] ]]</span> 04:16, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

==Discussion==

:Uh, yeah. We know. What makes you think we ever thought differently? i think what he meant by "moved wiki" was "wiki we are moving to".--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 06:03, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

::The Q Continuum weeps. Don't patronize us, we know what we're doing. [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 06:05, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:::It's a fair concern because traditionally when you say that something is "moving," that means it's being taken from one place and being put in another. In this case, it's more like something is being copied to somewhere else, at which point it will take on a life of its own, but the original is still there too to take on yet a different life. [[User:Agent0042|Agent0042]] 11:15, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

::"But it also needs to be acknowledged that the content that's been built here will still be here," - That's not how a wiki works, sannse. The content on a wiki is at the discretion of that wiki's current community - if the current community wants to dump the content and put up their own content instead, that is perfectly within their rights. Claiming that the wikia wiki would need to keep some kind of memorial or shrine to the previous community is a bizarre misinterpretation of how community-based wiki's have worked, ever.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 14:55, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:"I'm not saying it should be forever fixed in place[...]switching the purpose of this wiki in order to prevent competition with your fork is not a viable option." Make up your mind, willya? [[User:Maggosh|mag]][[User talk:Maggosh|gosh]] 20:19, November 16, 2010 (UTC)

:Sannse, to be perfectly blunt, ''we'' are not switching the purpose of this wiki. Oasis switched the purpose of this wiki (and most others), ''by making comprehensive coverage of the sort that we sought untenable''. This is our attempt to find ''any'' purpose that is still doable, since our other option is just to dump a barely-functioning wreck on the community that stays behind, which will make them look bad, and sabotage the findability of the new site.

:We're trying to find a peaceful solution. Wikia is the one making this into a catfight by sending us missives like the one above. Its insulting to us, and doesn't engender any sympathy to you.[[User:KrytenKoro|(ಠ_ೃ)]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>Bully!</small>]] 21:35, November 16, 2010 (UTC)z

::Maggosh: it shouldn't be fixed in place, but it also shouldn't be diminished in order to prevent competion with a fork.  I don't see a contradiction there.

:::You had no intention of patronizing and insulting us, and yet you go right on ahead and do just that. Man, can you do anything that you intend to do? You intend to make a skin that improves on Monaco, you make one that's worse. You intend to persuade us to enjoy Oasis and for us to stay with Wikia, and now we can't wait to leave. You have no intention of patronizing and insulting us, and then you go right out and treat us like dirt who don't know what they're doing. AM I THE ONLY ONE NOTICING A PATTERN HERE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? <small>P.S., don't try and argue with Kryten, it won't end well for you. Believe me, I know from personal experience</small>--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 02:29, November 19, 2010 (UTC)  

:Kryten: "One of the first things Wikia mentioned about the Oasis transition was that infoboxes would no longer fit." - Infoboxes still fit, I'm not sure where that quote came from.  They don't have as much room compared to the view on larger monitors before Oasis, and I personally like the idea a feature that allows them to be in the right sidebar, but they are certainly still a workable and key element of many pages.  (Random trivia: I was instrumental in getting them named "infoboxes" originally, in the early days of Wikipedia.  When they were first used they were called "taxoboxes" and just used for biology articles, but that name didn't work as we started using them more widely)

:On being patronizing: I disagree I am being so, your perception is different.  All I can do right now is to keep trying to change that perception.  If another IRC chat will help us with that, I'd be happy to do that.  

::A) You tried to insinuate that we didn't know what the hell we were doing, so no, you weren't patronizing us, you were flat out insulting our intelligence, which is not helping your case in the slightest. The only feedback you're "listening" to is the kind that tells you things you can fix, which probably takes up a small percentage of the feedback. The rest is telling you that Oasis is a complete failure and that Monaco was the better option and that it should be changed back, so yes, Sannse, you are ignoring us, or else you would have already known that.--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 17:28, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

::Time to tear that apart. As they have not yet actually left, they are still part of this wiki. On that grounds, they should be permitted to "control the future of the wiki" on the aforementioned grounds, even if that future is the elimination of the wiki. If you believe the contrary, then under the same reasoning, no one, including yourself, should have any control over anything, editting or otherwise regarding this wiki (or any for that matter). This is not a matter of opinion, this is the simple logic that you seem to wish to deny those that are still here (even if they claim to be leaving) the same rights as those that are still here (that haven't made such a claim, or have claimed the opposite). The fact of the matter is that they are, in fact, still here. They still have the same rights to alter the future of this wiki, in the same way you had the right to alter it by introducing and forcing Oasis upon it, which many, including myself view as vandalism of the highest degree, so do not attempt to label their wish to delete the wiki as vandalism, as Oasis, by definition, is vandalism (destroys wikis).--[[User:Zyeriis|Zyeriis]] 23:00, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

:::ShadowsTwilight: I think that anything I say to you right now (including this probably) is going to be heard in a tone I don't intend.  I understand that you think Oasis is a failure and should be removed, disagreeing with you is not ignoring you.

::::Don't worry, Sannse, I understand what Wikia is heading with the change on the skin, updating and keeping with the new trend on internet these days. I as an editor will help the wiki adapt to the changes Wikia has given us. I had not been bitter when Wikia forced Quartz, then Monaco, then New Look and refuses to allow Monobook to become the default skin for users out there, and I am still not bitter now, because as long as Monobook is around, I have no problems with it. In any case, as I have been supporting Monaco as much as I love Monobook (and I still am using Monobook right this instance), I will also help the wiki to upkeep New Look.

::::Anyway, removing content from this wiki because of so-called "competition" is pretty much not helping to the wikia wiki. Content is the most important part of the wiki, not skins, not addons, not tools. Give one wiki as much tools as it can, if there's no content to write, then the wiki won't be of much help at all. If there are users who attempt to remove content from the wiki, it will stand as a bad-faith edit. To be sure, I don't believe there would be anything like a "competition": this wiki, while retaining its present content, is going to add new content in terms of fan and real-life aspects, thus in a way, it's not going to hinder the moving wiki's purpose of being "encyclopedic".  

::::I'm still looking for ideas for the remaining Wikia wiki, tho. I do invite more suggestions, Sannse. You've been very optimistic on the New Look endeavor, so I will help as much as I can. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white">^BLUER</span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 12:31, November 22, 2010 (UTC)

:::I have not heard '''anyone''' say '''anything''' about deleting pages. The lack of comprehensive coverage stems from Oasis, which inhibits navigation and article viewing. We aren't able to delete this wiki entirely (although I'm sure many would like to). The best way for us to prevent competition with the upcoming fork is for the majority of the existing community to leave. There will be some users who stay, and a new community who comes in, but if most of the current community goes with the fork, that'll give it enough time to get higher on google, in which case the competition will be settled. You must understand that for the fork to work, it has to be easy to find. But that won't happen if this site is the one that shows up on google first. New visitors won't know which one to go to, and will be probably pick the top one. Which will need to be fork, the one that's more accessible to unregistered visitors. We're not going to sabotage this site, we're just leaving it. [[Special:Contributions/66.215.20.249|66.215.20.249]] 08:32, November 22, 2010 (UTC)