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{{EO|time=13:15, July 26, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Well, it seems the Wiki's having an image revolution. Thanks to ShardofTruth, we're getting several much-needed HQ images for the Wiki. What I also see, as much as I hate them, are T-Render images replacing official images due to their supposed "higher quality." Why do I hate them, you ask? Because they are technically fan-made images. If we're going to continue uploading them to the Wiki in place of the official guidebook images, can we at least animate the renders so they're not trapped in that attrocious T-pose? Examples are:

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For those of us who do not know what I mean by animating the render, as I said above, they should not be in the T-pose. For those who are able to animate the renders, they should not just be in this plain, statue-esque stance, but rather something a little different, like these images:

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If this creating and uploading of "fan/official" images to to continue, while I don't like them replacing official material, please replace low-quality images with these images, but only if they've been animated. I can't help feeling like we're doing something wrong by making these images. I won't feel comfortable about seeing them. Still, I offer thanks to anyone willing to animate/extract the renders.}}

Except for Dark Riku and Xehanort's Guardian (Which I keep removing for a reason), we only use these images where there is no official render to replace them, and since they are a game rip, they are as official as any of our ReCoM sprites. The ones that Shard uploaded (World of Chaos, Angel Star, Behemoth) are already posed and actually quite close to the artwork poses.[[User:KrytenKoro|<small>Glorious</small>]] [[User_talk:KrytenKoro|<small>CHAOS!</small>]] 14:33, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

{{ShardofTruth|time=14:56, July 26, 2010 (UTC)|talk=I don't like the Riku images very much either, I'll try to get the official material scanned as soon as I can.

By the way with the exception of the Guaradian render from Dsfgd, the renders in the first row don't do the T-stance. I can only speak for myself, but with the renders I made, I tried to let them look as close to the official artwork as possible. I searched for the animation with the closest resemblance (there is no animation file inside the game files, that lets the models pose like the official render) and made a screenshot.<br>

It's perfectly possible to do make a different angle/animation/etc. if that's desired.}}

:I was about to say something similar myself, ShardofTruth, those first three images are not in the "T" position at all, they do not look to be anything like it at all. Animating them in this sense to create a position very similar to an official one is perfectly fine. However, freely animating an image in bizarre ways that contort the body or alter dimensions of the image to show certains parts of the image would not be okay, that would certainly lower the quality of the image, as well as the authenticity of it. Also, I have only seen "T"-shaped renders on the wiki a few times that I can remember. If we have no better render to replace it, then we shouldn't complain, because that would be the best that we can offer to viewers and readers of the wiki. Instead, we should just do our best to find/crop a better render. If we cannot, we still have that official T-render that does still offer a detailed view of the subject, and can support a respective "Design" section. --{{User:DoorToNothing/Sig}} 20:54, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

:The World of Chaos model is devided into serveral sub-models. Because of that, the Guardian has no feet on the picture, it's just the end of his trunk. --[[User:ShardofTruth|ShardofTruth]] 21:10, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Edit: Here we go I've updated that T-Posed Guardian picture for you.

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I would hope that you find this to be better.--[[User:IZerox|IZerox]] 23:04, July 26, 2010 (UTC)}}

{{iZerox|time=04:39, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Well how about this with the Guardian? It's much more animated or so.

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I'll see what I can do about the Dragon Xemnas. What would you like Armored Xemnas doing? I can put him in any pose you wish.

{{EO|time=04:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|hooded=Thank you, IZerox, for supplying us with a different Guardian image. But for the rest of the community, we must set up a '''clear''' policy as to which images are used where and when, T-Render or offical, and when they are not. Obviously an update to the MoS must be done once this is settled. If this is all ready in the MoS, then it must be made clearer. Recent issues regarding these images and this forum are starting to get out of hand.}}

{{iZerox|time=10:07, July 27, 2010 (UTC)|text=I fully support the idea of official scans and other such images over renders of ripped models when the image we have for the official image is of reasonable quality. See I've got countless renders of the models from the game that I haven't even bothered to upload because they're of no use because official images of high quality already exist and so there is no reason to need these:

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File: SoraFalling.PNG

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But when we choose lower quality image scans over near identical renders from ripped models I find it baffling.

Although the Guardian isn't one with this problem. He's 100% accurate. What is it that your seeing incorrect about him? Is it possible that your just looking too hard and fooling yourself into thinking such because your trying to find how it's like the others?

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See how the Guardian towers of Ansem even while hunched? It's just quite tall. And Ansem-Riku was quite a deal taller than Sora as well. More than people realize at times.}}

{{KrytenKoro|It just seems like his shoulders are thinner, compared to his head, than in the other images. However, if you're sure that there is no squeezing there, I believe you.}}

{{iZerox|time=18:18, July 28, 2010 (UTC)|text=Oh okay I see what you mean. It's all the right size though. The difference is that his arms are raised more upward so his shoulders move up and in slightly. It happens to us humans too should we try assuming that position.}}