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{{ERJ|05:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)|I am having an odd problem. I am trying to watch for certain types of changes, namely new things being added to certain categories (characters and games). Two possibilities, I am given: I could constantly (daily or so) look at the respective categories, or I could subscribe to the Recent Changes feed. Neiter is something I want to do. The perfect situation would be lists of said categories, much like list of titles that was on the main page, as well as how the Final Fantasy Wiki does its "List of ... characters" articles. In a perfect world, these lists would make it easier to work on projects like a recently concluded one I did at the FFWiki: | {{ERJ|05:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)|I am having an odd problem. I am trying to watch for certain types of changes, namely new things being added to certain categories (characters and games). Two possibilities, I am given: I could constantly (daily or so) look at the respective categories, or I could subscribe to the Recent Changes feed. Neiter is something I want to do. The perfect situation would be lists of said categories, much like list of titles that was on the main page, as well as how the Final Fantasy Wiki does its "List of ... characters" articles. In a perfect world, these lists would make it easier to work on projects like a recently concluded one I did at the FFWiki: | ||
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I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're asking for, but if you're trying to make it possible to do a table like the one you linked - well, I've got to say that while that's something it's ''possible'' to do for KH, I can't see how it's ''useful'' to do for KH, and it would require a large amount of work to create, and a continued amount of work to continuously check ''both'' the category and list, and correct either as the need arises. | I'm not sure I understand exactly what you're asking for, but if you're trying to make it possible to do a table like the one you linked - well, I've got to say that while that's something it's ''possible'' to do for KH, I can't see how it's ''useful'' to do for KH, and it would require a large amount of work to create, and a continued amount of work to continuously check ''both'' the category and list, and correct either as the need arises. | ||
Generally, a list article is useless if all it accomplishes is to duplicate a category. If it was something like [[Magic | Generally, a list article is useless if all it accomplishes is to duplicate a category. If it was something like [[Magic card]] or [[Gear]], well that would be a situation in which a list is actually useful.}} | ||
{{ERJ|06:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)|The timeline looks useful, I admit, but the rest of your first sentence is a little flawed. See, at one time, ''Final Fantasy'' had only I, II, and III. Then people realized it was actually I, IV, and VI; and by then VII was out and VIII was on its way, but numerous spin-offs were coming first. It was then we realized that some of the FFs (the ''Legend''s) weren't really FFs. As Tactics and Crystal Chronicles began to see popularity, they were given their own sequels, but alongside the rest of the main series, which saw one sequel, X-2. XI became an online game with four expansions. Oh, yeah, and VII got a compilation bigger than the KH series. | {{ERJ|06:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)|The timeline looks useful, I admit, but the rest of your first sentence is a little flawed. See, at one time, ''Final Fantasy'' had only I, II, and III. Then people realized it was actually I, IV, and VI; and by then VII was out and VIII was on its way, but numerous spin-offs were coming first. It was then we realized that some of the FFs (the ''Legend''s) weren't really FFs. As Tactics and Crystal Chronicles began to see popularity, they were given their own sequels, but alongside the rest of the main series, which saw one sequel, X-2. XI became an online game with four expansions. Oh, yeah, and VII got a compilation bigger than the KH series. | ||
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{{KrytenKoro|That still seems to be completely redundant to the templates, categories, and articles we already have in place. I'm really having trouble seeing any benefit to this suggestion of yours. For example, I check over 200 pages every few hours monitoring for vandalism and bad edits; it's not at all too much too ask for you to just skim over a few categories scanning for names that don't belong.}} | {{KrytenKoro|That still seems to be completely redundant to the templates, categories, and articles we already have in place. I'm really having trouble seeing any benefit to this suggestion of yours. For example, I check over 200 pages every few hours monitoring for vandalism and bad edits; it's not at all too much too ask for you to just skim over a few categories scanning for names that don't belong.}} | ||
{{ERJ|23:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)|You can simply put the pages on your Watchlist. "Watching" a category does nothing.}} | {{ERJ|23:52, 31 July 2009 (UTC)|You can simply put the pages on your Watchlist. "Watching" a category does nothing.}} | ||
{{KrytenKoro|..except I ''don't'' use my Watchlist. I go through all the pages and review every change done since I last edited, which is usually around 700 or so a day.}} | |||
{{ERJ|02:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)|I have something called a job and full-time college. After those two things, I like to actually play the games in question. Don't expect me to spend my day sifting through all of that to find the two or three pieces of information I care about.}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|...yeah, I have a job and full-time college too, and I find time to ''take care of my family'' as well. Seriously, no one ever wins pissing contests. | |||
I really, ''really'' can't see any point in doing this besides making your personal project editing incrementally easier, while putting strain on the rest of us to keep the lists and categories in sync. If you could make an example page in your userspace to show us how this could help, maybe, but as far as I can tell you've not been able to demonstrate any profit from this endeavor.|06:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)}} | |||
{{ERJ|06:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)|The first to piss isn't trying for a contest. I have given reasoning, and your only counterargument seems to be the work involved. "A wiki doesn't have a timeline." Isn't that what Wikia's staff has been saying? Like many others, I hope Kingdom Hearts is around for a while more. That while is plenty of time to work on something like this. I find myself finished pissing, so you can keep the contest going without me. I can see that fear of change is all I can hope to run into on this wiki, and I am no longer watching this forum. (In other words, a reply will not reach me.)}} | |||
{{KrytenKoro|Claiming the wiki doesn't have a timeline isn't relevant to this though - as far as I understand it, your reason for wanting the list is only to make the day-to-day work of cleaning the categories easier for yourself. "A wiki doesn't have a timeline." would actually suggest the opposite of what you're asking for, as it would suggest "Why worry so much about the time spent keeping them clean?" | |||
If I've misunderstood your goal, ''please make the example page several of us have asked for''. Without it, you make it look like you're asking for us to do a lot of work, on our own, for something that is only useful to you.}} | |||