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**''Even if a character calls someone by his or her full name or by other names, only the one prominent in'' Kingodm Hearts ''should be used. "Beat," not "Daisukenojo Bito," "Leon," not "Squall Leonhart," "Will Turner," not "William Turner, Jr.", "Dr. Jumba," not "Jumba Jookiba," and "Flynn," not "Kevin Flynn."'' | **''Even if a character calls someone by his or her full name or by other names, only the one prominent in'' Kingodm Hearts ''should be used. "Beat," not "Daisukenojo Bito," "Leon," not "Squall Leonhart," "Will Turner," not "William Turner, Jr.", "Dr. Jumba," not "Jumba Jookiba," and "Flynn," not "Kevin Flynn."'' | ||
Now, my personal opinion has technically already been stated by both the rules in the MoS and my commentary on those rules, as shown above. I feel that we should always name our articles in accordance with what the games use; in the case of characters and such, we should use what the Journal uses. For characters who appear in multiple games, sometimes experiencing a minor change in name (Smee vs. Mr. Smee), the name used in the Journal of the game that served as that character's FIRST APPEARANCE should be used, in my opinion. If a character has a title, such as Master Eraqus, the title of that character's article should include it ONLY IF THE JOURNAL DOES ("Master Eraqus," not "Eraqus"). In the end, this is all about recognizability, which is why I am not against keeping "Mickey Mouse" instead of "The King" or "King Mickey." As a general rule of thumb, cutscenes should not be a valid source for article titles. Just because Yuffie calls Leon "Squall" at one point does not mean his article should be titled "Squall Leonhart," even though this is (and everyone knows it is) his full name. In my opinion, we should be thinking about what is best for our readers, not what we think is best as a community. If I were just the average Joe who loved ''Kingdom Hearts'' but had never heard of ''The World Ends With You'', not once would I think of searching for "Daisukenojo Bito" if I wanted to read about a character called "Beat." I understand there are redirects and such, but because we are a ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki, ''Kingdom Hearts'' material takes precedence over stuff that is "common knowledge" or "just plain true." Again, this is why we have "Mulan," not "Fa Mulan." If a character has a different name other than the one in the title, I feel like we should either make note of this in the article header ("'''Beat''', full name '''Daisukenojo Bito''', is a character who appears in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance''), or we should, perhaps, include this alternate name in the character's origin section (Daisukenojo Bito is a originally appeared in the Square Enix video game franchise ''The World Ends With You'', etc.). | Now, my personal opinion has technically already been stated by both the rules in the MoS and my commentary on those rules, as shown above. I feel that we should always name our articles in accordance with what the games use; in the case of characters and such, we should use what the Journal uses. For characters who appear in multiple games, sometimes experiencing a minor change in name (Smee vs. Mr. Smee), the name used in the Journal of the game that served as that character's FIRST APPEARANCE should be used, in my opinion. If a character has a title, such as Master Eraqus, the title of that character's article should include it ONLY IF THE JOURNAL DOES ("Master Eraqus," not "Eraqus"). In the end, this is all about recognizability, which is why I am not against keeping "Mickey Mouse" instead of "The King" or "King Mickey." As a general rule of thumb, cutscenes should not be a valid source for article titles. Just because Yuffie calls Leon "Squall" at one point does not mean his article should be titled "Squall Leonhart," even though this is (and everyone knows it is) his full name. In my opinion, we should be thinking about what is best for our readers, not what we think is best as a community. If I were just the average Joe who loved ''Kingdom Hearts'' but had never heard of ''The World Ends With You'', not once would I think of searching for "Daisukenojo Bito" if I wanted to read about a character called "Beat." I understand there are redirects and such, but because we are a ''Kingdom Hearts'' Wiki, ''Kingdom Hearts'' material takes precedence over stuff that is "common knowledge" or "just plain true." Again, this is why we have "Mulan," not "Fa Mulan." If a character has a different name other than the one in the title, I feel like we should either make note of this in the article header ("'''Beat''', full name '''Daisukenojo Bito''', is a character who appears in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance''), or we should, perhaps, include this alternate name in the character's origin section (Daisukenojo Bito is a character who originally appeared in the Square Enix video game franchise ''The World Ends With You'', etc.). | ||
It was requested that I create this forum based on what was discussed during the Roundtable; it was decided a forum was the best place to continue this discussion. I have used this message to also state my opinion on this matter. What does everyone else think we should do? Let's either agree to actually adhere to what the MoS says or decide on a new, concrete rule together based on what the MAJORITY feels is right, and abide by that. | It was requested that I create this forum based on what was discussed during the Roundtable; it was decided a forum was the best place to continue this discussion. I have used this message to also state my opinion on this matter. What does everyone else think we should do? Let's either agree to actually adhere to what the MoS says or decide on a new, concrete rule together based on what the MAJORITY feels is right, and abide by that. | ||
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*If a character has only had one appearance or the above does not apply (meaning his or her name has been consistent throughout the series), no matter what, we title our pages based upon what characters are called IN THE JOURNAL. Not in the Story section, Album section, or anything else. Only the entry ABOUT THAT CHARACTER (meaning just because "Fa Mulan" is used in ''KH'', unless her entry is titled "Fa Mulan," we will NOT have an article called "Fa Mulan" on the Wiki. That would be redirected to "Mulan").}} | *If a character has only had one appearance or the above does not apply (meaning his or her name has been consistent throughout the series), no matter what, we title our pages based upon what characters are called IN THE JOURNAL. Not in the Story section, Album section, or anything else. Only the entry ABOUT THAT CHARACTER (meaning just because "Fa Mulan" is used in ''KH'', unless her entry is titled "Fa Mulan," we will NOT have an article called "Fa Mulan" on the Wiki. That would be redirected to "Mulan").}} | ||
{{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:43, 3 January 2015 (UTC)|persuade=Yes, agreed. "Fa Mulan" still does need to be mentioned in the lead (which goes for all full names).}} | {{TheFifteenthMember|time={{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 17:43, 3 January 2015 (UTC)|persuade=Yes, agreed. "Fa Mulan" still does need to be mentioned in the lead (which goes for all full names).}} | ||
{{ENX|time=19:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)|text=I will quote one of my earlier stated opinions on this matter: "If a character has a different name other than the one in the title, I feel like we should either make note of this in the article header ("Beat, full name Daisukenojo Bito, is a character who appears in Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance), or we should, perhaps, include this alternate name in the character's origin section (Daisukenojo Bito is a originally appeared in the Square Enix video game franchise The World Ends With You, etc.)."}} | {{ENX|time=19:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)|text=I will quote one of my earlier stated opinions on this matter: "If a character has a different name other than the one in the title, I feel like we should either make note of this in the article header ("'''Beat''', full name '''Daisukenojo Bito''', is a character who appears in ''Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance''), or we should, perhaps, include this alternate name in the character's origin section (Daisukenojo Bito is a character who originally appeared in the Square Enix video game franchise The World Ends With You, etc.)."}} | ||