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 This is what I concider to be one of the biggest plot holes in Kingdom hearts: In the End of the World, Sora visits a small portion of each of the worlds depicled thoughout the game; In the one that is unmistakably Hollow Bastion, it is an area that was never seen before or after where a computer screen tells a strange and hard to understand story.  Any way I just wanted to say that and see if anyone has an idea?
+== The blue part ==
+Does anybody know the purpose and name of the blue underside of both Hollow Bastion and Radiant Garden? It's not a reflection as it appears in the original Kingdom Hearts world logo.--[[User:Digitor|Digitor]] 16:46, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
+{{ErryTalk|text=I know that in the first KH, it serves as the environment for the waterways where it's all ice, as with the rising falls.
+In KH2, or at least in FM, it serves as the Cavern(s) of Rememberance, along with the Garden of Assemblage(Technically located in the water-area surrounding the castle).}}
+== Radiant Garden castle designs ==
+{{ErryTalk|text=Is it valid to put in trivia that some parts of the castle in Birth By Sleep resemble Xigbar's arrowguns and the nobody logo? Because it looks that way in this picture:
+http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100527183004/kingdomhearts/images/1/13/RadiantGardenLook.png
+Mostly to the right, as the one to the left also holds Xigbar's arrowgun-design but holds the Nobody-Radiant Garden insignia cross.
+}}
+{{Sac|time=15:09, October 21, 2010 (UTC)|text=You can also see the lances from Xaldin.}}
+== Maleficent's group. ==
+Shouldn't all members of Maleficent's group's articles say that they also reside in Hollow Bastion, sice all their meetings were held there.([[User:Bananaphone1996|Bananaphone1996]] 03:37, June 28, 2010 (UTC))
+== Merging ==
+{{Sac|time=13:00, October 20, 2010 (UTC)|text=Shouldn't this page be merged with the Radiant Garden page? It's the same world but it's called different in some games.}}
+:I agree. This article is supposed to be about the castle itself, not the World, but it's way too confusing like this, considering the entire World, not just the castle, went by the name "Hollow Bastion" at one point. It'd be far less confusing and simpler to just add a subheading to the Radiant Garden article about the castle itself if we really need one. Or maybe even a sub-article as seen with [[Master Xehanort]] and [[Young Xehanort]]. [[User:Fabala011|Fabala011]] ([[User talk:Fabala011|talk]]) 22:29, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
+== Hollow Bastion II ==
+Shouldn't this just be merged with [[Data-Riku]]? We separate out the Dive to the Hearts from Destiny Islands and Twilight Town, and this is essentially the same thing. Either that, or its own "Inside (Data-)Riku" page.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
+:Or just another page for Hollow Bastion II? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 20:14, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
+::Hollow Bastion II is from the beginning of Inside Data-Riku through the Sora's Heartless boss battle. If you want to be technical, the only parts of Hollow Bastion featured in this part are the chapel (Maleficent boss battle) and Great Hall (lead-up to 3D shooter segment).  --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 03:01, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
+:::The reason I don't want to merge it with Data-Riku is we'd have another character-world confusion like Monstro. I'm fine with a page called Inside Riku, though I would still prefer the title to be Hollow Bastion II with an Inside Riku redirect. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 07:32, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
+::::There's no confusion since they're identical, and this is basically the exact same situation as Monstro. It's easy enough to keep story on one page, game info on one or more others.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 02:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
+:::::So will we still keep Personality, Appearance and Ability sections? {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 21:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
+== Japanese Name ==
+Yeah it's me again. [http://i.imgur.com/JIHlI17.png Here] {{nihongo||虚ろなる城|''Utsuronaru Shiro''}} is the castle's name in Japanese and it is used in-game as map names. Should this be on the article and if yes, where? {{User:Pea14733/Sig}} 03:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
+:I don't see why not...Perhaps a mention in the settings/area section? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 03:23, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
+:I think it should go in the start of the page, just like the other Japanese names, like in abilities. --{{User:Funest/Sig1}} 03:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
+== Merge? ==
+I do have to wonder, when/where was it said that "Hollow Bastion" was the name of just the castle and "Radiant Garden" the name of the world. From my understanding from playing the games, I've never heard "Hollow Bastion" used as just the name of the castle. In fact, I've never heard that the castle alone has a name, to begin with. And when "Radiant Garden" is used as the world's name, the name "Hollow Bastion" isn't used. This implies that they're both used to refer to the same thing, the world. I believe/understand that Hollow Bastion was used after Maleficent took over the world, but that the true name of the world was Radiant Garden. Having used the name for ten years, Leon and the gang didn't remember the world's true name until Tron tells them in ''Kingdom Hearts II''. Following that event, the name "Hollow Bastion" isn't used anymore. So shouldn't we merge the two articles, since the two names refer to the world? Unless there's some interview or report or something in-game that says the castle's name is Hollow Bastion, which I don't believe there is. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
+:I think it roots from the fact that Hollow Bastion was just the castle alone in the first Kingdom Hearts game. {{User:Erry/Sig}} 07:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
+::I believe if there was a interview with T.N., that doubt would be exterminated, although, I agree with KeybladeSpyMaster. Hollow means empty, it became 'hollow' with the corruption of Maleficent's changes, It should have another name in its glory days. But, anyway, just my thoughts. {{User:Funest/Sig1}} 03:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
+:::So then should we merge the articles? Because other than the limited area seen in the first game, there's little reason for Hollow Bastion to refer to exclusively the castle. Like I said, if Hollow Bastion were about the castle, the term would be used even when Radiant Garden was used as the world name. But it isn't; Hollow Bastion is used in Birth by Sleep, Dream Drop Distance, or following the reveal of the world's name in Kingdom Hearts II. In addition, a discussion higher up on this page brings to question whether the castle in Kingdom Hearts actually becomes the ruins that are Villains Vale in Kingdom Hearts II, which further discredits the idea that Hollow Bastion refers to just the castle. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 04:31, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
+:Hollow Bastion includes the Library where Kari and her grandmother went. Ansem's Report 5 also claims that the world's Keyhole is located underneath the castle. The castle probably does have a different name before the fall, but right now we have a name for it by virtue of it being the sole contents of the KH1 world: Hollow Bastion. It's also a fairly massive article, so I wouldn't recommend a merge.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:41, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
+== Passwords ==
+"While the password to Ansem's D.T.D. dataspace is the names of the Seven Princesses of Heart, Xemnas's password to access the Chamber of Repose is the true names of [[Ansem the Wise]]'s six apprentices: [[Xehanort]], [[Even]], [[Braig]], [[Dilan]], [[Ienzo]], and [[Aeleus]]."
+:Isn't this depicted in the Final Mix cutscene?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:03, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
+::Yes. It's even stated on [[Chambers of Repose and Waking|this page]]. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 01:37, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
+I found the scene. Reverting back now with a proper source now.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 22:33, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
+== Character Section ==
+How should the character section on this page work exactly? Seeing as the page only focuses on events within the castle would we then add characters that have appeared only inside the castle? For example, in BbS we see Ansem the Wise, Ienzo, Braig, and Terra-Xehanort wander the corridors of the castle so they should be added, but Dilan, Even, and Aeleus are never seen within the castle in BbS so they shouldn't be added. Correct? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 20:37, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
+:I think this page should only cover the castle in KH1, CoM, and Coded. In BbS the castle is just part of Radiant Garden. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
+::Great! But does that mean the KH2 section for Settings and Areas should be moved to Radiant Garden? - [[User:JTD95|JTD95]] ([[User talk:JTD95|talk]]) 22:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
+:::Right now we're treating Hollow Bastion as an area (like Christmas Town and the Underworld) of Radiant Garden. So by that logic we should keep the Settings and Areas and also a character section. However, it might be easier and clearer for readers and editors if we just use Hollow Bastion for KH1, CoM, and coded, and Radiant Garden for KH2, BBS, and KH3. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:17, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
+== Dark Depths ==
+Something that has been bothering me is about the Dark Depths (aka, the portal that has been in the Grand Hall of the Hollow Bastion), and that is... are the Dark Depths located somewhere within the [[Realm of Darkness]] or in the [[End of the World]]? I'm saying this since being called the Dark Depths it could mean as an artificial gateway towards the Realm of Darkness, but Behemoths, being emblem heartless, are not natural inhabitants of the Dark Realm. Does it's means is a gateway towards the End of the World? (since Behemoths are also encountered in there as well, plus the appearances of the orbs in the Valley of the Dark looks a lot like the Dark Depths from the portal). {{User:LuisArturo/Sig}} 01:00 17 November 2023 (UTC)