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== Dream Sword, Umbrella, Soul Eater == | == Dream Sword, Umbrella, Soul Eater == | ||
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== Armor of the Master? == | == Armor of the Master? == | ||
Should [[Armor of | Should [[Armor of Eraqus]] be added as a Keyblade wielder? It is basically the same thing as Lingering Sentiment with Master Eraqus. {{User:CaelumLucisCaliga/Sig}} | ||
Here's the thing, though, is there anything that says that it is the same as LS, or are we just guessing?--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 01:11, November 26, 2010 (UTC) | Here's the thing, though, is there anything that says that it is the same as LS, or are we just guessing?--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 01:11, November 26, 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Thanks for the clarification[[User:Maguma|Maguma]] 12:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC) | Thanks for the clarification[[User:Maguma|Maguma]] 12:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC) | ||
::I thought that all the Xehanorts were mentally linked. | ::I thought that all the Xehanorts were mentally linked. | ||
In any case, do we really need to mention Young Xehanort separately since he and Master Xehanort are the same person, not to mention YX's Keyblade is already covered under Master Xehanort? | In any case, do we really need to mention Young Xehanort separately since he and Master Xehanort are the same person, not to mention YX's Keyblade is already covered under Master Xehanort?--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 01:51, 21 March 2014 (UTC) | ||
:::I support this. For Ansem SoD, we don't list him ''at all'' since he was using Riku as a medium. We have basically the same situation here, so I think we should remove Young Xehanort entirely, and leave his mention as a note alongside Ansem SoD.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Sounds good to me. Any takers on doing this? {{User:Xion4ever/Sig}} 01:38, 8 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
==Soul Eater== | ==Soul Eater== | ||
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::Ok, sorry, didn't see it. | ::Ok, sorry, didn't see it. | ||
{{User:ToaJuaraevo01/sig1}} 20:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC) | {{User:ToaJuaraevo01/sig1}} 20:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC) | ||
== Terra/Xehanort == | |||
Since Terra-Xehanort is listed as a separate entity from Terra, should we have Xehanort's Keyblade listed as being wielded by Terra even though he only ever wielded it as Terra-Xehanort?--{{User:ShadowsTwilight/Sig}} 01:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Support. I don't understand why we list Terra as using the MXK.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:33, 7 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Ephemera? == | |||
And any others in X?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:36, 13 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
:As far as I know, it's just Ephemera, the Fortellers, and the Player Avatar. Since the latter two are already listed, only Ephemera is missing from the list. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 23:39, 13 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::There are also the three players in [http://cache.kingdomhearts.jp/res/swf/quest/Q_DB_0010_1.swf this cutscene] which occurs during the 5:10 Daybreak Town story mission. They are just called "キーブレード使い" (which could also be used in the introduction of this page btw) and unlike Ephemera they don't use unique avatar parts (meaning the player could also look like them if wanted). At least the one in the yellow outfit probably died and so does his Chirithy. It's unclear what became of the other two. So I'm not sure what to with them, they also appear on this [http://images.khinsider.com/KINGDOM%20HEARTS%20X/Screenshots/Famitsu%20-%20July%2024%202013/06.jpg weekly screen]. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 08:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
::So we should add Ephemera, right?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:50, 4 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Young Xehanort == | |||
"His Heartless, [[Ansem, Seeker of Darkness]], and his time-traveling younger incarnation, [[Young Xehanort]], lacked hearts and thus could not be Keyblade wielders." Why does YX lack a heart? --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 01:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Oh wait. That doesn't make sense, Heartless are hearts. He gave up his body, I guess, but that isn't relevant.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 01:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Graphical error == | |||
I'm using Firefox with Adblock Plus and NoScript (all this site temporarily enabled), and the tables are only showing two images in width, making them very long. It does not happen in Chrome, though. Anyone know what could be causing this, as it appears to be a browser-specific problem?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 14:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
:What version of Firefox? (Not that I'd have any idea...) --{{User:Neumannz/SigTemplate}} 07:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
::I have the same problem with Firefox (even without any addons) but just for the KHX section. It probably has something to do with the collapsible tables since the Keychains display just fine. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 09:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Data-Roxas and Data-Riku == | |||
We need to determine whether their weapons are "true" Keyblades/intermediaries, or merely digital fakes like Data-Sora's first "Keyblade". The only rubric I can think of off the top of my head is whether they release hearts to Kingdom Hearts, or grey ones like the Organization's weapons. Anyone have other rubrics, or know of scenes that demonstrate the heart thing?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:53, 8 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Data-Roxas only ever uses his "Keyblades" against Data-Sora, but his Keyblades seem to be fake like Data-Sora's first "Keyblade", simply because all Data-Roxas is intended to be is a data program and does not specially gain his "Keyblades" the way Data-Sora gets his real Keyblade. Data-Riku is the same case as the Riku Replica.--[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 11:47, 12 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Yeah, I can't find any instances of either of them fighting Emblem Heartless, so that's good enough for me. Fake wielders it is.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:02, 12 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
== "always just data" == | |||
Seeing as it becoming a real Keyblade is the ''plot of the game'', I would ''reaaaaaally'' like access to the original interview (in Japanese) that this claim originated from.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:16, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Here's the interview where Nomura says that it's always just data: http://www.khinsider.com/news/Re-coded-Ultimania-Scenario-Mysteries-Interview-Translated-1796 He says that it's a data version the entire time. Sorry, I don't have the direct Japanese interview, but KHInsider is definitely a trusted source of information, right? --[[User:Elfdemon|Elfdemon]] ([[User talk:Elfdemon|talk]]) 13:23, 23 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
::So it's data, but still "Real"? Makes sense. Like Tron, then?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Images == | |||
Does anyone else think we should, where possible, use the images of the character wielding the Keyblade? | |||
This should be possible for the following: | |||
*[[:File:Foreteller Gula (Battle) KHX.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Foreteller Ava (Battle) KHX.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Foreteller Aced (Battle) KHX.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Foreteller Ira (Battle) KHX.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Foreteller Invi (Battle) KHX.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Aqua (Battle) KHBBS.png]] | |||
*[[:File:King Mickey KHBBS.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Riku (Battle) KHII.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Terra (Battle) KHBBS.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Ven (Battle) KHBBS.png]] | |||
*[[:File:Roxas (Oathkeeper and Oblivion) KHII.png]] | |||
:And here I kept removing all those Starlight Keyblades from the other players. If you think it looks better got for it, I have no strong feelings one way or the other. --{{User:ShardofTruth/Sig}} 08:25, 3 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
::I am so, so sorry.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:37, 3 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Still should work.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Other Players == | |||
Also see this: | |||
https://forums.khinsider.com/kingdom-hearts-chi/177760-kingdom-hearts-x-chi-walkthrough-help-675.html | |||
Honestly, I'm thinking it might be best to just cover each of them individually, in an ''additional'' list page. The way I tried to interlace it is kind of messy, and with so many of them, fuck it, repetition ahoy.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 00:18, 31 January 2018 (UTC) | |||
:Bumpedy-bump.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
::In other words, create a page like "List of minor characters in KHX" to cover the other players? Aside from Mog, these other players don't have names, so doing a list of some sort is probably a good idea.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 21:46, 6 February 2018 (UTC) | |||
== Anti-Aqua and Xigbar == | |||
Should these really be in the Master section, separate from their birthing characters?{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 23:46, 15 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:I see no reason to have Anti-Aqua here, she's literally a corrupted Aqua. Considering we never saw Braig whip out a Keyblade, and despite our current knowledge of Luxu's current body being Braigbar, I think it makes sense to just leave Xigbar, since he's the only one we've seen holding a Keyblade. {{User:Chitalian8/Sig}} 23:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Organization XIII Remnants == | |||
So whats the deal with these guys? Are they real or fake wielders? We never saw who/what they are, since it was never explained with them, since they just show up. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 08:35, 18 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Terra-Xehanort == | |||
Should he not be in the "Masters" section since he is just Master Xehanort with Terra's body. --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 18:26, 20 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:This is why I don't think Anti Aqua or Xigbar should be there either.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
But I'm saying he should be in the masters section, his journal entry in KHIII even refers to him as "the Master Xehanort that took control of Terra's body". --[[User:Vanitas|Vanitas]] ([[User talk:Vanitas|talk]]) 18:56, 21 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
::It gets kinda clunky to call him "Master Terra-Xehanort." An in-universe reason why it's iffy to make the move you propose is Terra was never a Keyblade Master. You're talking about the "fusion" of two characters, each with their own accomplishments, or lack thereof. - {{User:EternalNothingnessXIII/Sig}} 18:59, 21 February 2019 (UTC) | |||
:::However, Master Xehanort is clearly in charge. If we're including Anti Aqua and Xigbar, than any incarnation of Xehanort's heart (at least post-being named Master) should also count.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== "Eraqus is a blueblood, descended from the very first masters in the age of fairy tales." == | |||
This indirectly states that the Dandelion union leaders, possibly not including the "traitor", were also Masters. So, Ephemer, Skuld, and Strelitzia at the least, then Lauriam, Brain, and Ventus depending on when we get confirmation they were actually chosen.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:22, 15 March 2019 (UTC) | |||
== Re Mind Secret Boss == | |||
(Keeping title vague because spoilers) Does stealing Sora's Keyblade and fusing it with his sword count as being a Keyblade Wielder? I personally think not, but it's not an imitation Keyblade either. I wanted to put him under Other, but the only other one there is Anti-Riku, who isn't really canon, so that didn't really feel right either. So where should we put him, or should he even be on this page? He doesn't actually wield a Keyblade at any point. Thoughts? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:07, 28 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
:It should be under other, the argument you can make is when he does the "rain" attack that summons your Keyblade to attack you. {{User:UnknownChaser/Sig}} 18:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC) | |||
::Yozora is not a secret boss, btw, you must fight against him to finish the game. He is the final boss.--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 19:35, 5 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
==Data Sora== | |||
Why use the Shibuya model for Data-Sora? The one of the ReMind in Cid's computer is not even the same character and, still, he never appear with that appearence, he appear with Sora's KH3 regular appearence--[[Special:Contributions/93.41.38.64|93.41.38.64]] 13:51, 5 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
:We decided on [[Talk:Data-Sora]] to not consider the Sora from the Limitcut episode as the same person as Data-Sora. It just wasn't removed here. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC) | |||
==Unnamed Keyblade== | |||
I was wondering if anyone had an image of the new Keyblade from Kingdom Hearts Dark Road? The one that is reminiscent of both Master's Defender and Starlight and is wielded by Xehanort, Eraqus, Vor, Bragi, Hermod, and Urd. It should be added to this page in their individual gallery sections. ([[User:Levi657|Levi657]] ([[User talk:Levi657|talk]]) 10:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)) | |||
==SSB Update/The Mario Issue== | |||
{{Xion4ever|time=20:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)|text=Hey, team. There's been some minor edit warring on this specific article regarding adding Mario as a Keyblade wielder. To be clear/set things straight: This Wiki covers '''canon, confirmed information''' over the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series. We also throw in coverage on other non-game-specific things (such as KH [[:Category:Merchandise|merchandise]], [[:Category:Manga|manga]], and even [[Mickey Mouse#Disney Infinity 3.0|KH-related appearances in other media/games]]). | |||
However, at the end of the day, Mario is NOT a canon-confirmed Keyblade wielder that is relevant to the KH series or plot. While Mario was the one in the reveal who grabbed the Keyblade, that has nothing to do with the actual KH series. (If Sakurai wanted to, they could have had Solid Snake or Peach grab the Kingdom Key instead- it truly wouldn't matter/change our position on this.) <small>Solid Snake's Heartless and Nobody would be...?</small> | |||
If the Smash Wiki wants to cover the trailer/add that blurb on their site- fine, that's their site/prerogative. | |||
However, as this is not canon/confirmed information that is relevant/critical to the ''Kingdom Hearts'' series, we will not mention it. And, given our policy with trivia/things relevant, this would not even qualify as a necessary trivia piece. Additionally, we don't cover trailers on games that feature KH characters/"skins" or clothing just because that would be a bit ridiculous and an astronomical feat. | |||
Our current [other] efforts on integrating the new Sora-in-SSB info is going well. Many form, character, and music articles have already incorporated this reveal in the appropriate "Other appearances" sections. | |||
Special thanks to the editors and staff of the Smash Wiki for linking back to us on their KH articles, and for the great work they're doing on properly (and quickly!) creating the KH-in-SSB articles. | |||
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:Agreed, also to strength this further, no trivia piece should be allowed either as it is too minor league and therefore non-notable to post this as a trivia piece so it is better to just forget the whole thing entirely for this site. -[[User:Adv193|Adv193]] ([[User talk:Adv193|talk]]) 22:00, 6 October 2021 (UTC) | |||