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 Weapons: The biggest problem with the Weapons pages is lack of good images, and lack of descriptions for Final Mix equipment. I have all English descriptions and stats on my talk page, so we have those, and then we just need people to professionally describe the appearance and symbolism of the various weapons.}}
-{{Guardian Soul|text='''Infoboxes:'''  This is something I really want improved, because I've been planning on fixing up every Heartless article, but I've just been too busy trying to find all of the enemy renders right now.  You're right about what needs to get cleaned up, I did revert the edits back to your template, so you can work from there.  I think that the best template to model these ones off of would be the Boss template, because I love how it also display the weaknesses.  I also feel that maybe we should get a more attractive color scheme for the Heartless boxes.  One thing I think you should consider is putting the item drops of enemies somwhere on their pages instead of inside of the info box.  It would help make things less crowded.
+{{Guardian Soul|text='''Infoboxes:'''  This is something I really want improved, because I've been planning on fixing up every Heartless article, but I've just been too busy trying to find all of the enemy renders right now.  You're right about what needs to get cleaned up, I did revert the edits back to your template, so you can work from there.  I think that the best template to model these ones off of would be the Boss template, because I love how it also display the weaknesses.  I also feel that maybe we should get a more attractive color scheme for the Heartless boxes.  One thing I think you should consider is putting the item drops of enemies somewhere on their pages instead of inside of the info box.  It would help make things less crowded.
-'''Grouping Heartless:'''  Eh, I'm not so sure about this.  There aren't as many Heartless as there are Digimon, and alot of information needs to be covered for alot of the Heartless.  Either way, I pretty much like it how it is, but that's my personal opinion.  I think we should just work on improving each Heartless page by adding more information, as well as galleries for every piece of art and every variant of each Heartless.
+'''Grouping Heartless:'''  Eh, I'm not so sure about this.  There aren't as many Heartless as there are Digimon, and a lot of information needs to be covered for a lot of the Heartless.  Either way, I pretty much like it how it is, but that's my personal opinion.  I think we should just work on improving each Heartless page by adding more information, as well as galleries for every piece of art and every variant of each Heartless.
 '''Translations:''' I'm not so good with this, but I'll try to help you find some clearer entries to translate.  There was one good video I saw with some of the Final Mix Heartless from KHII.
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 '''Music and Merch:''' Agreed.
-'''Category for Deletion:''' Yeah, I definitely see what you mean.  I wish I had the ability to delete articles alot of the time, I see some things put up for deletion that take quite some time to get noticed, so hopefully it gets monitered alot better.
+'''Category for Deletion:''' Yeah, I definitely see what you mean.  I wish I had the ability to delete articles a lot of the time, I see some things put up for deletion that take quite some time to get noticed, so hopefully it gets monitored a lot better.
-'''Weapons:''' I'd love to help with that, and I see what you mean.  I see alot of things missing from those articles.
+'''Weapons:''' I'd love to help with that, and I see what you mean.  I see a lot of things missing from those articles.
 I think the main thing that we need to work on right now though is the enemy articles.  You know, 358/2 Days is going to be out soon, and there's going to be alot of new enemies to work with.  It would probably be best to get the older enemies out of the way right now.  The new Heartless template should be the most important thing right now in my eyes.
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+{{Azul|text=I actually like the idea of making a separate "Battle" box that could go in the strategies section. So we don't have to have different game sections for enemies that appear in different games. Maybe we can have an improved version of [http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Walkthrough:Crisis_Core_-_Final_Fantasy_VII/Henry/Part2 this] and the actual Infobox could hold the rest of the stats/items/whatever.
+@GS: Yes, once we find out the stats available for the 358/2 enemies, we should get to working on the template for them.}}
+{{Guardian Soul|text=I'm fine with the idea of battle boxes as well, but then, what exactly would we put in the infoboxes?  I guess the Heartless type and Japanese names, any other ideas?  But yeah, that sounds good.  We could just make a different type of battle box for each game.  I have the Chain of Memories guide so I can work on that one if nobody has it.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Okay, for the Heartless Template - do you want the various stats to still be attached? And I'm assuming you want me to reorganize it so that it has the one-row layout the original had? And did anybody see my tabbed version of the template? If we decided not to split off the stats, we could also attach the card box to that.
+Okay, here's the stats each Heartless has - if we want to go ahead with the Battle Boxes (now or later), what goes where?
+''Kingdom Hearts''
+*Image
+*Locations
+*Games
+*Journal entry
+*Before stats:
+**HP
+**ATK
+**DEF
+**MP
+**EXP
+*Drops
+**HP
+**MP
+**Munny
+**Item (Percentages)
+*Weaknesses (may change with rescue)
+**Weapon
+**Fire
+**Blizzard
+**Thunder
+**Gravity
+**Stop
+**KO
+**Other
+*Tech Points
+*Special Notes (Like using Gravity on a Ghost when it is trying to absorb you, or how Shadow Sora's take your money when you pickup their MP)
+*TCG cards (a link to the page, see [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Olympus Twelve these infoboxes] for an example.)
+''Kingdom Hearts II''
+*Journal
+*Location
+**Level
+**HP
+**EXP
+**STR
+**DEF
+*Actions
+*Type
+**PM
+**Deflection
+**Description
+*Weaknesses
+**Weapon
+**Fire
+**Blizzard
+**Thunder
+**Dark
+**Other
+*Reaction Commands
+**Effect
+**Power
+*Item drops
+*(For bosses): Victory bonus
+}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Hah! Now the Heartless Template has a christmas tree!}}
+{{Guardian Soul|text=Okay, for the battle boxes, I was thinking of having one box on top of another, and we can set them up like the information boxes in the back of the strategy guides.  I think you can just leave the journal entries how they are, so exclude journal entries from the battle boxes.  I'm not sure about locations, because some enemies appear almost everywhere, but if we can easily fit them in the battle box then we can do that too.  I think I'll scan a box from KH and a box from CoM just to use for reference, so I'll get to that right now.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|This list is for both lead and battle infoboxes - what info do we want to go where? Or do we want it in the text? If we're jigging out most of the stats to the battle box, honestly, the journal entries would fit nicely to refill the lead box.}}
+{{Guardian Soul|text=<!--[[Image:KH Info Reference.png]]-->
+Alright so, I think we should get the battle box for KH1 done like this if possible.  I guess you could put the journal entries into the main box, but I'm not sure how that would look.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|Like [http://wikimon.net/User:Ainz/Sandbox4 this].}}
+{{Guardian Soul|text=Well if you can do that, why not just make a template with tabs for all three games instead of using battle boxes?}}
+{{KrytenKoro|If that's what we want, it could pretty much be done, except for KH2. If you have the Bradygames guide, there's like eight different stats for each enemy (as in, each attribute has eight different versions due to slight differences in strength in its appearances).}}
+{{Guardian Soul|text=Don't worry about that, we can get rid of what isn't necessary.  For now, work on getting a template done with the three tabs, or at least the first two.}}
+{{Yuanchosaan|time=11:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
+|text=For the infobox, perhaps add horizontal rows like the ones under Aptitude, Base Stats and Weapon Mastery [http://disgaea.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Job_Stats here?] It's fairly simple to add cats automatically: simply add <nowiki><includeonly>[[Category:Cat name]]</includeonly></nowiki>. If the template stretches too long, we can make each "set" of stats collapsible.
+I think Journals are best done in prose, but that's just my opinion. Cards, Nihongo and Images I'm workin (very slowly, sorry ^^;) on. I don't know what tabs are or how to code them, but I can probably cook up a template like the one I mentioned above, if anyone wants me to.}}
+{{KrytenKoro|The category thing has already been implemented, but thanks. As for the stat rows - that's kind of how I tried to do it originally, and there were complaints. We're discussing the tab thing at [[Template:Heartless/Draft2]] - maybe you could help us implement those suggestions, and then whip up a draft with the stat rows? Since we're using tabs now, we're considering adding a lot more stats.}}