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 I disagree. I’d rather have looser rules, where rights that help editing are given to as many users as possible, as long as the users demonstrate that they can be trusted with those rights. If a user can use rights to improve the wiki, it’s only counterproductive to remove the rights from them. Being a staff member isn’t supposed to be a reward anyway so I personally don’t think the argument of “fairness” is very valid. While staff members carry more responsibilities, I have no problem with non-staffers having powers also. If Lady Junky, ThereArentSteps and Sora34CE want the same rights and the community thinks they won’t harm the wiki with those rights, then they should get them too. I wanted my rights to be removed because I did more harm with them than good (that rollback button is ‘’so’’ easy to click). But this is just the opinion of a retired user anyway~  {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 11:48, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
 :FM has a point. The purpose of staff members isn't that they can move and delete pages, but that they can block vandals and protect pages and stuff. So, I'd like to change my vote to giving Kryten, and other people, those "artist" rights. The question is how we decide who should have those rights. It's not like staff elections, where we want to fill in some open spots, because we can give as many users artist rights as we'd like. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 14:51, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
-::The conversation shifted a little, but let me clarify something: As I stated above, what I find unfair is the idea that KrytenKoro, a user who retired from the staff to focus more on RL and will only be active on a semi-active basis, could be given user rights (which are only given to active users who have shown themselves to be responsible and conduct themselves in a exemplary manner), despite the fact that other users who are more active and also shown excellent conduct. There are so many users on the KHWiki who deserves user rights, because they work hard to contribute to the KHWiki on a regular basis, and one of the things that is typically looked at, as per policy, is not only the user's personality in order to determine whether that are capable of handling the responsibility, but also their activity. THAT is what I find unfair. If a semi-active user like KrytenKoro is given user rights, then that means we should apply the same treatment to other users who we trust and are both SEMI-ACTIVE and FULLY active. We need to make sure everyone is treated fairly and not given just ONE user special treatment. What KrytenKoro requested is something we have NEVER done before, nor any other wikia (to my knowledge). Needless to say, this is brand new for all of us and be discussed with careful consideration.
+::The conversation shifted a little, but let me clarify something: As I stated above, what I find unfair is the idea that KrytenKoro, a user who retired from the staff to focus more on RL and will only be active on a semi-active basis, could be given user rights (which are only given to active users who have shown themselves to be responsible and conduct themselves in a exemplary manner), despite the fact that other users who are more active and also shown excellent conduct also should be rights to improve the wiki. There are so many users on the KHWiki who deserves user rights, because they work hard to contribute to the KHWiki on a regular basis, and one of the things that is typically looked at, as per policy, is not only the user's personality in order to determine whether that are capable of handling the responsibility, but also their activity. THAT is what I find unfair. If a semi-active user like KrytenKoro is given user rights, then that means we should apply the same treatment to other users who we trust and are both SEMI-ACTIVE and FULLY active. We need to make sure everyone is treated fairly and not given just ONE user special treatment. What KrytenKoro requested is something we have NEVER done before, nor any other wikia (to my knowledge). Needless to say, this subject is brand new for all of us and needs to be discussed with careful consideration.
-::In relation to that, I'm actually glad TFM brought this up, because it's also something I looked into with Porpe's assistance. We talked about changing "artist" (no user holds that user rights management since the KHWiki's creation, as far as I know) into something more like a "helper", a group that features the user rights that KrytenKoro requested on my talk page that's different from being a mod (e.g. mods are in "charge of corralling editors, protecting pages, etc.", as Kryten puts it, but Kryten clarifies that he doesn't want to be a staff member) in order to improve the conditions on the KHWiki. I think the idea is something everyone would agree about it, though I do have concerns about redundancy.
-::Which brings me to my next point. I'm all for to making a new user rights group for users we trust, and I've had my eyes on several users who will meet these requirements, some of which I listed above. However, I do question on whether such a group is necessary, considering that I tried to broach the subject about getting a new mod to replace TFM since TFM announced retirement, and NO ONE responded to. After all, all staff members are fully active on the KHWiki, and anything that needs to be deleted/moved are done within 24 hours. These is also something we need to address as a community. I kinda have more to say, but I'll leave at that and give the floor to someone else.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
+::In relation to that, I'm actually glad TFM brought this up, because it's also something I looked into with Porpe's assistance. We talked about changing "artist" (no user holds that user rights management since the KHWiki's creation, as far as I know) into something more like a "helper", a group that features the user rights that KrytenKoro requested on my talk page that's different from being a mod (e.g. mods are in "charge of corralling editors, protecting pages, etc.", as Kryten puts it, but Kryten clarifies that he doesn't want to be a staff member and wants to just help delete/move pages) in order to improve the conditions on the KHWiki. I think the idea is something everyone would agree about it, though I do have concerns about redundancy.
+::Which brings me to my next point. I'm all for to making a new user rights group for users we trust, and I've had my eyes on several users who will meet these requirements, some of which I listed above. However, I do question on whether such a group is necessary, considering that I tried to broach the subject about getting a new mod to replace TFM since TFM announced retirement above, and NO ONE responded to. After all, all staff members are fully active on the KHWiki, and anything that needs to be deleted/moved are done within 24 hours, so I figured that might saw it as something that was unnecessary. These is also something we need to address as a community. I kinda have more to say, but I'll leave at that and give the floor to someone else.--{{User:NinjaSheik/Sig}} 20:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)