Talk:Roxas/Archive 1

It mentions that he may be above Axel but definitely below Xemnas; going strictly by strength, Roxas is Xemnas' second-in-command! There's something wrong with that.

(I get this from the promotional video with Roxas having 14 bars and Marluxia with 10 or 11 as third).Therequiembellishere 22:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

...Are you serious? The article only specifies that Roxas is stronger than Axel, but weaker than Xemnas. Beyond that is debatable. And health bars don't determine anything. DannyP 23:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Again, going strictly by strength, it's strange that the newest and youngest is stronger than all the rest.Therequiembellishere 20:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

It isn't strange. Roxas is the Nobody of Sora, who holds incredible strength. So why shouldn't Roxas hold incredible strength?

Because he's stonrger than Sora and Xemnas, while only existing a year. 14 bars isn't something he just got.Therequiembellishere 20:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, seriously, STOP basing strength based on something as trivial as health bars (and that video is months old. Things change in time). And nothing, and I mean nothing, implies that Roxas is stronger than either of them. He and Sora were evenly matched in their fight, and Xemnas is explicitly said to be the strongest. DannyP 22:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Besides, gameplay stats may not be that indicative of plotline "strength", I mean, Xemnas in Final Mix was a secret boss and incredibly hard, and he was just "testing" Sora. He looks much easier in KHII, but I doubt he grew significantly weaker during the time between. Maybe Roxas has so many life bars because he's just late in the game. Scottch 06:12, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I know, I know and Danny P, you don't have to react so harshly at something like this, and you should really sign you're messages. Going off subject, is there a less grindy pic for him?Therequiembellishere 18:55, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Harshly? How am I reacting "harshly"? DannyP 22:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

OMG, never mind! Therequiembellishere 21:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Nomura has said that the 3 strongest members of the Organization are Xemnas, Roxas, and Xaldin. End of story, and if you don't believe me, check Kh-Vids.net.

I'm not sure that Xemnas is as strong as we thought, he was always a much easier boss than some of the members. However, it is possible that Nomura was refering to Xemnas as you fight him at the very end of the game. In terms of pure strength i would have to assume that Roxas is stronger than Xemnas and only surpassed by Xaldin and perhaps Lexaeus. Xemnas' strength was always his incredible defensive powers and range of attacks, i think that Roxas' stats are better than Xemnas'. However if they ever fought I think Xemnas' cunning and experiance would give him the edge.

Techniqually, Roxas would have to be better than Xemnas. I mean, he's the only member to beating both Sora and Riku. Sora just won because he new more about the Keyblade, and he undeniably beat Riku, Ansem and the Guardian are a totally different person than Riku. And since Sora and Riku ONLY together beat Xemnas, than that automatically makes Roxas the best, after all, he is the last surviving member, even after fighting Sora. -- Morghman

So unarming sora means beating him?Besides sora beat xemnas by himself before xemnas absorbed power from what was left of the kingdom hearts made from people's hearts.--74.210.24.180 22:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Well thats the point. Roxas severely beat riku, and sora only won with a surprise attack. Seeing as Xemnas had to absorb kingdom hearts to get to the point where they needed to team up, simple calcution says that roxas is stronger than Xemnas before he utilizes kingdom hearts, which is extremely powerful, even in its weakened state. Rock2060 15:45, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

In terms of Gameplay Roxas is inhearently stronger than other members only because of his status as a playable and customizable charachter.--Foutlet 03:22, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Final Mix+

New information has arrived concerning his new boss fight. Shouldn't we add that?CyberXIII 14:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Let's wait until the final version of the boss battle is seen. You never know what SE might have changed. DannyP 01:48, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

True.CyberXIII 14:14, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I don's any problem in at least mentioning that it appears it'll happen, for one. Scottch 15:06, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Kingdom hearts chain of memories?

Where is he in it?Meesa yoda 01:28, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Reverse/Rebirth's ending, where he stands in Twilight Town's Tower.--N/A

• I don't get it, why is he there?Meesa yoda 22:37, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Its in the credits, as sort of a teaser/spoiler. XienZo 03:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I remember in the Japanese version of Re:Chain of Memories there was a fully-voiced cutscene of Roxas and Axel on the Clock Tower in Twilight Town - their last day together. Is there such a clip in the English version ? EDIT : Never mind. There's one in Final Mix even if it isn't voiced. Oh well... Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Hayner, Pence, and Olette.

I think we should add something to Roxas' stay at the real Twilight Town, where he befriended Axel. Didn't Roxas become friends with Hayner, Pence, and Olette in the real Twilight as well? That would explain the three friends' somewhat friendly connection with Sora. See how they looked so bummed out when Sora first met them? Maybe Roxas had spent some time with them, and somehow left Twilight Town without notice to join Organization XIII. That would probably explain Hayner's initial unfriendly attitude towards Sora's gang when they first arrived. I don't think that this is theory, as this was hinted at in the Reverse/Rebirth ending (after the credits) of Re: Chain of Memories.--Zhengyingli 05:07, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. This is the only explanation that makes sense to me. Sora cried when he left Twilight Town because Roxas was sad to leave, but it makes no sense to Hayner and the others to "feel like" they had to see him off if they never met Roxas. The new scene with Axel and Roxas on the clock tower implies that Roxas met the real Hayner, Pence, and Olette on his first day (the same day he got his name and met Axel). Otherwise I don't understand their familiarity with Sora. --Zephyrus11 20:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Roxas only knew Hayner, Pence and Olette in the virtual Twilight Town, because DiZ made them his friends. Aside from one brief encounter with them when he was born, I doubt Roxas had much to do with them. Roxas was sad (while in Sora) to be leaving them, likely because he couldn't remember it was a virtual world at the time. Why they came to see Sora off, well, memory is a powerful in the KH universe, maybe it's some kind of residual memory given off by Roxas, which explains why they felt a connection to Sora. Or maybe they are just really friendly kids. Adam 148 17:26, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

"Stalemate"

To the user who changed the instances of Roxas defeating Riku to "stalemate," I understand where you're coming from, but he really did defeat him. Roxas even states later "I defeated a Riku once." I agree that Riku wasn't completely beaten, he wasn't dead or anything, but Roxas had won. If you want to discuss it any further just let me know here. Thanks. --Zephyrus11 08:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if I recall correctly, Riku did defeat Roxas. After the Nobody knocks him on the floor, Riku asks why did he end up with the keyblade. After Roxas answers "Shut up" and Riku quickly knock him down, we clearly know what happens. --Ctrl Alt DelBR

Well, we mean before Riku becomes Ansem. Roxas hits Riku, who staggers and replies that he has to use darkness. Then Roxas gets owned, but w/e. XienZo 00:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

and that was the second fight

I find it odd that Roxas is declared as the clear cut winner of that fight as well. When they were both armed, Riku knocked Roxas out long enough to walk over and throw Oblivion into the ground next to Roxas. When Roxas stood back up, he attacked an unarmed Riku (who appeared rather surprised that Roxas was standing again). Even though he did injure Riku's hand, it appears that Roxas also lost the first round. Roxas does state that he defeated Riku, but that was also dismissed by Sora. Riku also states that he had to use the darkness, but only after surrendering his weapon and being injured by Roxas. I agree that Roxas did defeat Riku in the second round, but Riku defeated Roxas more thoroughly in the first round. The whole thing seems a little cloudy based on dialogue and fight set-up if you ask me. In my opinion, they seemed at around equal strength (as it can be assumed Riku and Sora are) and the darkness was the only DEFINITE way for Riku to win. --Mord McCleaver 01:14, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Marexl それは... Do you know about the card????

It doubles attack power IIRC XienZo 22:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Marexl それは... Do we have a picture of it and how do you get it???

Well, considering its in 3-D, we can't exactly rip the sprite off or anything... I think you get it in twilight town in the hard-to-open treasure room. XienZo 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I can ask one of my friends from the FFWiki if she can rip it for me. She has a good program that does that. -Azul 02:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Wait a minute! What card? A Roxas Card?Aeroclaw24 19:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Aeroclaw24

Yeah. All the members had cards with different effects. And Roxas was seen at the end of Re: Chain of Memories.Winxfan1 20:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)Winxfan1

you get it in the Key to Rewards in twilight town after youve beat rikus story

Picture

Who changed the picture and how do I change it back? (or at least fix the dimensions?) --Zephyrus11 18:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I just reverted it back. Is it better?--Muchomas35 19:44, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Cool, Thanks Muchomas --Zephyrus11 20:31, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Roxas and Venn

It says the Venn has an uncanny resembalance to Roxas and that it was unstated if he had any relations to Roxas. It was stated by the game creator (Who's name I can never remember) that Roxas and Venn have to relations. They just look alike.

Having a relationshp or no relationship? I'm pretty sure that Nomura only stated Roxas was NOT Ven, but didn't state if they were actually related or not. XienZo 15:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I know! But people are going around saying that Roxas is Venn or they are related or something like that. But in the report, they said the it was unknown if they has a relation or not. I just wanted to make my point! XXRenoRabbitXx 15:39, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

They can't be related as Roxas isn't a real person, i think what you ment is that Sora and Ven are related. Anyway my theory is that Sora had a significant encounter with Ven making his nobody loook like Ven, isn't there some connection between nobodies and memories?Myself 123 20:58, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I have to agree with Myself. Roxas is a nobody, and unless memories have to do with a Nobodies creation, which it partly does, then my guess is that Ven is Sora's father. After all Ventus is Latin for wind, and Sora is Japanese for sky. The genes in Ven may have affected the appearance of Roxas. I think the same is for Aqua & Kairi, and Riku & Terra. Aqua seems to wear royal-like clothes, and Kairi is a princess, sorry for getting off topic, but anyways, Ven is probably Sora's dad. My guess -- Morghman

I don't think so. If Ven were Sora's dad and if he, Sora, Riku and Ven did have an encounter in Destiny Islands, it wouldn't have been so profound. I mean, imagine seeing the same face and the same Keyblade every day - almost. There'd be a significant difference between that and seeing a hero from a far-away land... right ? Oh well, if that actually does happen in BBS, I guess I only can applaud Nomura. Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Here's an idea: it could be the dad he never knew. I mean, let's face it, we only know that his mother is still alive and living in the house at this point, let alone anyone else. For all we know, his dad ran away, before he was old enough to even remember the guy's face, to go fight off dark enemies and protect his family. But hey, no one knows but Nomura. Keyblader 01:17, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's another idea, in the birth by sleep trailer, it shows riku and sora having a competition on the destiny islands, and also shows Ven and terra there, perhaps, Sora met ven, and saw him as a hero, going from world to world finding out what MX was up to. Like you said, Nobodies are made of memories, Xion looks like a girl because sora's greatest memories are of kairi, Maybe when Roxas was created, he took on the features of Ven because Sora had a strong memorie of Ven. Torrent299 15:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

I have a theory Ven was maybe Sora's brother. There has to be a reason why the creators used the same design for Roxas for Ven. Otherwise, they would use something else. In the plot, people keep saying how Sora and Roxas look alike (even though many people disagree out of the game), so maybe Sora and Ven haave blood relation?--RyuuseiSoul 00:43, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I don't know why people haven't thought of this before. You guys know that Vanitas looks like Sora because Ventus's and Sora's heart connected in the beginning of the game right? Well, did you guys ever think that since Sora accepted Ventus's heart at the end, that that's the reason why Roxas looks like Ventus? Because with Sora harboring Ventus's heart, when he turned into a heartless and Roxas came into being, he would've looked more like Sora if it wasn't for Ventus's heart. Yukima 02:57, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

why do people think roxas and axel are gay?

R0x4s 19:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)poepel think there GAY its stupid really stupid please make them not gay and who ever see s this please help me please

If you really want to, you can always go with the "they're nobodies so they can't be", but not like they'll listen... Just ask Nomura to send them a letter saying so.XienZo 19:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
It's linked with the assumption that all relations (friends, family, ect.) a male human being has is because they are driven by lust. to fangirls, two good friends = they're in love with each other. I disagree with this idea immediately. OtO^con^_- 20:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Drake Clawfang - Anger and hate are supreme....power and control are pretty nice too. TALK - 20:09, 15 June 2008 (UTC) OiO said it best. In video games, anime and virtually anything else, if two male characters get along with each other, they *must* be gay. There's no such thing as "just friends" with guys in stuff like that.

I look at them and I dispel the fact that they're gay. Firstly, friends embrace, no matter what the gender. Secondly, NEVER did we ever see Roxas and Axel kissing each other or showing any other inclination towards each other (apart from friendship, that is). There are some things even the stars cannot tell me. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Gay? Roxas is supposed to be "somebody dating" (my word for Roxas and Namine's relationship), with Namine after KHII, and Axel seems to be pretty tight with Larxene, too. Whoever came up with Axel and Roxas together thing is probably a 7-year-old wanting attention.-- Morghman

Twoface13 - There's someone with a "key" -- the key to our survival. TALK - No... They'll pay for this! People who say that have nothing to do, so they make things up for entertainment. End of Story. Goodbye. Who wants seasalt Ice cream?

Amy Cotton - Whatever TALK - Larxene They are not gay. I can say Hades is gay, but NOT Roxas and Axel. Nobody in this game is gay. End of Story. Bye Bye, See ya Later.

KrytenKoro - "That's when we bumped into Hannity. Sean Hannity. See the thing about this dude is, at first he's fair, right? And you're like "Wow!" But then BOOM. The dude's balanced, too. And you're like, HOLY SHIT." TALK - ...It's funny, because as Nobodies, it's not even possible for them to be heterosexual. They are completely and totally asexual, like sponges. Did none of these fangirls even pay attention during the bloody game? And yes, like sponges, they reproduce through budding, not through intercourse. Thus, Samurai are in fact adolescent RoxasesRoxas'Roxii.

Hm... you're making me imagine Roxas as an amoeba. Might have to end up referring to Roxas and the other nobodies as "it", not "he" or "she". Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Ok, they are not gay. LETS CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart 17:50, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

PrincessAndie8thprincessofheart - I'm the only one! TALK - Woo hoo hoo hoo! Sorry about outburst. Really hate mood swings and are very touchy on subject. Forgive me any offended peeps.

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... This again? Like I'd said back in the Sora and Riku one, if you guys want my opinion, love isn't about sex or age, it's about making the person you love happy. That's what a real relationship is all about. It doesn't matter if you're gay or not. It's just about making that person happy. And besides, I like AkuRoku pairings.

Honestly, I think that the pairing, like the SoraxRiku pairing, is just a byproduct of perverted fangirls who can't tell a real romance setup for the life of them. And that's a select part of the large fanbase, mind you, so I'm not pointing any fingers. Keyblader 00:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Firaga44 - Everyone's favorite anime nerd is back and kicking!Well not everyone's favorite but you people get the idea >.< TALK - All i hear during that cutscene blah blah blah. personally i think axel should get with larxene and roxas with xion but i agree with ninja about the gender and age thing

Roxas and Xion would be self-cest (not to mention, she can only take "forms"). Which is worse. I don't think Axel and Roxas are gay. Honestly, I blame this on Axel for saying such ambiguous lines. Stupid idiot. I know for Roxas is hetero. When he almost ran into Naminé, he was all flustered and scratching his head when she was all, "I wanted to meet you", and he was all," Damn, I think I scored".

In the original japanese version they were actully supposed to be gay! I don't wanna start fights but that's what the creator said. Our english counterpart was edited, I think, so that there wouldn't be that. Apparently, disney thinks gay is bad...Like I said. Don't wanna start fights. Just stating what I know. - ~0x0~

NinjaSheik - All of this might have started with a lie...But I'm really am glad that I could meet you... TALK - One day, the light-it will be ours, and it will bring us together. Til then, I'll be in your heart... Is there any proof to your words?

Yeah, he's a liar. If anything, Nomura has specifically said that there is no romance in the series.Glorious CHAOS! 01:44, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

JudgmentDay95 - "Yes... Surely you must have known that this was going to happen." TALK - "Then I shall make you see... That hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion!" – {{{time}}} If he's stating what he knows, he obviously knows nothing. Plus, why the fudge would Squeenix make a homosexual protagonist?

...um, why not? The point is "Roxas isn't gay," not "Square Enix would never, ever entertain the idea of a gay character."—Urutapu 20:23, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

JudgmentDay95 - "Yes... Surely you must have known that this was going to happen." TALK - "Then I shall make you see... That hopes are nothing! Nothing but a mere illusion!" – {{{time}}} OK, maybe I worded it wrong. Squeenix might make a gay character somewhere along the line, but I'm just a bit uncertain how the masses would react. Homosexuality is nothing wrong, yet there are still people who tend to get uncomfortable with the topic.