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i just had a really big idea. i know i have hard facts to back it up, but its just | i just had a really big idea. i know i dont have hard facts to back it up, but its just an idea. | ||
well the Keyblade War is supposubly around 10 years before the original Kingdom Hearts game. in the Kh game sora is 14 years old. if you take 10 years away from that you get 4 years. and the Keyblade War was around 10 years before KH so it could be even 12 years. so sora is around 2-4 years old. Just remember that. and also you should have noticed that roxas looks similar to sora since he is his nobody. so ven also looks like sora, even though he does look more like roxas. And if you have not noticed, children's parents that go to war leave them behind or drop them somewhere so they are safe. so since it is the keyblade war, sora was left on destiny islands. thats a pretty safe place. but my point is, '''i think ven is sora's father!''' think about it. stricking resemblence to sora/roxas. sora could have been about 4 when he was placed on destiny islands. also their names, ven or ventus is translated to wind in latin. sora's is translated to sky. similar. If you think about it, he could be his father, that is my guess | well the Keyblade War is supposubly around 10 years before the original Kingdom Hearts game. in the Kh game sora is 14 years old. if you take 10 years away from that you get 4 years. and the Keyblade War was around 10 years before KH so it could be even 12 years. so sora is around 2-4 years old. Just remember that. and also you should have noticed that roxas looks similar to sora since he is his nobody. so ven also looks like sora, even though he does look more like roxas. And if you have not noticed, children's parents that go to war leave them behind or drop them somewhere so they are safe. so since it is the keyblade war, sora was left on destiny islands. thats a pretty safe place. but my point is, '''i think ven is sora's father!''' think about it. stricking resemblence to sora/roxas. sora could have been about 4 when he was placed on destiny islands. also their names, ven or ventus is translated to wind in latin. sora's is translated to sky. similar. If you think about it, he could be his father, that is my guess | ||
I just don't get why "Sora's father" looks like Sora's nobody. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | I just don't get why "Sora's father" looks like Sora's nobody. [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
And in KH only his mom is heard calling him to dinner | And in KH only his mom is heard calling him to dinner | ||
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So, if you have a nobody, it's going to look like a relative of yours? So, if I have a nobody, it's going to look like my aunt? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | So, if you have a nobody, it's going to look like a relative of yours? So, if I have a nobody, it's going to look like my aunt? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 06:08, 9 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
He could be an uncle, or a cousin. [[User:Veroso|Veroso]] | He could be an uncle, or a cousin. [[User:Veroso|Veroso]] | ||
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young sora is in birth by sleep the game right? maybe he and ven met. when a nobody is made, maybe they take the shape of memories. roxas took on his shape based off of sora's memories of ven. so technicaly roxas looks like ven.-dxmagma | young sora is in birth by sleep the game right? maybe he and ven met. when a nobody is made, maybe they take the shape of memories. roxas took on his shape based off of sora's memories of ven. so technicaly roxas looks like ven.-dxmagma | ||
Nobodies look like the original person but with a couple of differences. Nobodies HAVE memories, but they don't look like a specific memory. Even if it was true, why did Roxas base his appearance on Ven? Why not on Riku? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | Nobodies look like the original person but with a couple of differences. Nobodies HAVE memories, but they don't look like a specific memory. Even if it was true, why did Roxas base his appearance on Ven? Why not on Riku? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
Nobodies did exist. it's just they never took the spotlight.[[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] | Nobodies did exist. it's just they never took the spotlight.[[User:Roxas-rules|Roxas-rules]] | ||
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My theory would be found in the Ven discussion.I'll go get it,maybe copy and paste.....--[[User:Ven's Heart|Ven's Heart]] 12:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | My theory would be found in the Ven discussion.I'll go get it,maybe copy and paste.....--[[User:Ven's Heart|Ven's Heart]] 12:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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Because when I watched the Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep trailer yesterday, I noticed the last line - Ven was quoted saying something like "You're my friend, right ?.... Erase me" to Terra while they were on the Main Island (Destiny Islands). | Because when I watched the Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep trailer yesterday, I noticed the last line - Ven was quoted saying something like "You're my friend, right ?.... Erase me" to Terra while they were on the Main Island (Destiny Islands). | ||
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Why can't a Unbirth and the human counterpart exist at the same time? He probably said that "Erase me" line because he was suicidal. So, is Ven the soul or body? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | Why can't a Unbirth and the human counterpart exist at the same time? He probably said that "Erase me" line because he was suicidal. So, is Ven the soul or body? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
Or the game creaters coulda did this to screw with our heads and watch us run around with theories till we run out, any questions? [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]] | Or the game creaters coulda did this to screw with our heads and watch us run around with theories till we run out, any questions? [[User:Clarkmaster|Clarkmaster]] | ||
Why would the game creators want to screw with the fan's heads? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | Why would the game creators want to screw with the fan's heads? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{troisnyxetienne|text=no, as far as I know I was holding on to '''this''' theory all the time. This one seems more plausible than the rest because of that one quote by Ven. I mean, if Roxas were sad because he was a Nobody, I bet Ven would've felt the same when he discovered he was an Unbirth. When he said that quote "Erase me", he looked devastated. But he knew he had to die. Just like Roxas knew he had to combine with Sora for him to be whole.}} | |||
But if Ven is an Unbirth, Terra and Aqua are probably Unbirths. And as far as I know, neither Terra or Aqua are suicidal. I thought Roxas was mad, not sad, for being treated less than a person. He was mad because his "destiny" was to give up his life just so some other guy could live. But why? Why does Ven NEED to die? [[Special:Contributions/68.82.162.148|68.82.162.148]] 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
{{troisnyxetienne|text=Not necessarily. Just because Ven is an Unbirth doesn't mean that his counterparts have to be the same. Like, look at the beginning of Kingdom Hearts II: Roxas had counterparts that didn't fight while they were in the virtual Twilight Town, but they were '''completely human !''' And Roxas was a Nobody ! It could've been the discovery that Ven was an Unbirth that led him to be suicidal, just like how Roxas said to Sora, "Looks like my sumer vacation is over." If they '''are''' related to Sora in some manner or other, then we should know that they have '''extreme''' versions of Sora's personality. Understood ?}} | |||
You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!! [[Special:Contributions/149.150.236.189|149.150.236.189]] 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!! [[Special:Contributions/149.150.236.189|149.150.236.189]] 19:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | |||
Sora is not an Unbirth. No offense but where the hell are you guys gettin' these crazy theories? How can Sora possibly be a part of that which is the opposite of life? D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | Sora is not an Unbirth. No offense but where the hell are you guys gettin' these crazy theories? How can Sora possibly be a part of that which is the opposite of life? D: [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 20:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC) | ||
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3: Aqua bein' related to Riku and Kairi sounds more like a random lovechild theory. | 3: Aqua bein' related to Riku and Kairi sounds more like a random lovechild theory. | ||
I need ye guys to stop and think real hard, and like I said, I'm not tryin' to offend anyone at all, but just think real hard and ask: Does ANY of these theories make any common sense to begin with or are we just throwin' random speculations at the top of our heads or just flatout asspulls? Sorreh if I offended anyone, but seriously though.... /: | I need ye guys to stop and think real hard, and like I said, I'm not tryin' to offend anyone at all, but just think real hard and ask: Does ANY of these theories make any common sense to begin with or are we just throwin' random speculations at the top of our heads or just flatout asspulls? Sorreh if I offended anyone, but seriously though.... /: | ||
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It's really hard to say.. When it comes to trailers concerning Kingdom Hearts, we're kept in the dark about a LOT of things and we end up usin' what little content is presented to us as 'evidence'. In addition, family has NEVER played an integral part in relationships in Kingdom Hearts. Yes, Sora has a mother, but she's an absolutely minor character.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 00:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | It's really hard to say.. When it comes to trailers concerning Kingdom Hearts, we're kept in the dark about a LOT of things and we end up usin' what little content is presented to us as 'evidence'. In addition, family has NEVER played an integral part in relationships in Kingdom Hearts. Yes, Sora has a mother, but she's an absolutely minor character.[[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 00:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | ||
{{ | {{troisnyxetienne|text=Well said. That brings us back to the starting point that Ven is Sora's Unbirth, even with the little evidence we had. Now, I'm taking the quote of the anonymous user : | ||
"You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!!" | "You mean the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette? Do they count as humans since they're fake? Well, actually, now that I think about it, Roxas is "fake" but he acts like a real person. So, the digital versions of Hayner, Pence, and Olette can count as real too. But anyway, what do you mean "Roxas had counterparts"? Roxas was just saying "Looks like my summer vacation is over" statement out loud, to himself. That statement meant that he was going to die. But it doesn't necessarily mean that Roxas was suicidal. He gave up his life to help Sora, not to end his own pain (that's what people who commit suicide want). I wonder why Roxas did that. No one forced Roxas to gave up his life. I guess he just wanted to be a good person. Or maybe, he wanted to feel whole and joining with Sora was the only way he could feel like he was complete. So, an Unbirth is a counterpart to a person, and that Unbirth has a extreme version of the person's personality? Is that right? And you're saying that Terra, Aqua, and Ven are ALL Sora's Unbirths? Why does Sora have 3 Unbirths? How come Aqua can't be Kairi's Unbirth and Terra Riku's Unbirth? Well, even if that was true, it's unknown if Sora has an Unbirth or not. For all I know, Sora is Ven's Unbirth!!!!!!" | ||
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As trio said, etymology doesn't really play a part in relationships at all. With the exception of Ven, Nomura has a tendency to reuses pre-existing designs and apply them to new characters such as the case of Axel and Reno and Terra and Zack. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 05:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | As trio said, etymology doesn't really play a part in relationships at all. With the exception of Ven, Nomura has a tendency to reuses pre-existing designs and apply them to new characters such as the case of Axel and Reno and Terra and Zack. [[User:Kaihedgie|Kaihedgie]] 05:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC) | ||