Talk:List of Keyblade wielders/Archive 1

"Whether or not this Keyblade has a name is as yet unknown"

I’m irked by the sentence “whether or not this Keyblade has a name is as yet unknown” in Terra’s, Ven’s and Aqua’s sections. Since they’re going to be playable in BBS, the names of the Keyblades will surely be revealed ! Think about it : it’d surely be strange if you access the main menu and discover that neither of these Keyblades have a name ! It’s better to say, “the name of this Keyblade is currently unknown”. Today you will be examined for the Mark of Mastery. • TroisNyxÉtienne

KrytenKoro - Most bears were content to live their lives, mauling and eating one, maybe two humans at most. "Mass-murder," as the bears always said, "is for the sharks." But not Barry. Barry was different. He knew that one day, he would kill ALL of the humans. This is the inspiring, tear-jerking story of one bear and the dream he dared to dream. TALK - The problem is, we don't know at this point whether they have customizable Keyblades, so you could very well play through the entire game with you weapon just called "Keyblade". It's unlikely, but possible.

Possible, yes, but there are three playable characters. Terra, Ven and Aqua each have their playable scenes. So we can't possibly be having three weapons simply called "Keyblade" for all three sequences, oui, non ? Helping others always comes before asking others for help. • TroisNyxÉtienne

Xehanort's Heartless

I'm pretty sure he doesn't count, since he has to possess Riku's body in order to wield the Dark Keyblade.Glorious CHAOS! 18:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

xNaminéx - 大キライだけど好き! TALK - I am...glad. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Order

Currently, the page doesn't have any real order. I'd like to suggest organizing them chronologically by game, so

• Sora
• Riku
• King Mickey
• Roxas
• Kairi
• Xion
• Master Xehanort
• Vanitas
• Master Eraqus
• Terra
• Aqua
• Ventus

Alternatively, we could organize it fully chronologically:

• Master Xehanort
• Vanitas
• Master Eraqus
• Terra
• Aqua
• Ventus
• King Mickey
• Sora
• Riku
• Roxas
• Xion
• Kairi

Or, to cut back on any arguments about when exactly each character got their Keyblade:

• Aqua
• Master Eraqus
• Kairi
• King Mickey
• Riku
• Roxas
• Sora
• Terra
• Vanitas
• Ventus
• Master Xehanort
• Xion

Order 2 makes the most sense. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:35, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Why not number 1? I think number 1 is better. Cococrash11

I agree with ENX but I would flip-flop Master Eraqus and Vanitas because we are going chronologically. Master Eraqus must have had a Keyblade before Vanitas because obviously Eraqus is a Master and Vanitas is still an apprentice. - HeartOfOblivion 05:06, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Don't you think order in chronologically by game is much easier then fully chronologically we don't even know the excat place but in video game is much easier at least we know who are the Keyblade weilder when it was already released like Days, coded, and etc. --Cococrash11 21:47, December 19, 2009 (UTC)Cococrash11

I agree with Cococrash on this one. It makes more sense to organize them the first way, by the order in which they were introduced. We don't know for certain (at least not yet) if the fully chronological order is correct. For all we know Terra and Aqua could have obtained their Keyblades after Vanitas. The first way is more solid. What's more, organizing it the first way will be less confusing to people who have only recently discovered the games, since the'll see the main character first instead of half a dozen other ones with Sora wedged in the middle. LapisScarab 06:37, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Why not alphabetically, then?Glorious CHAOS! 08:43, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

I suppose that's better, but it would still place Aqua first, and anyone who starts from game one would get confused. My vote is still for chonologically by game.--Lapis ofthe Night 19:31, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with LaprisScarab. It should be chronologically by game --Cococrash11 02:23, January 22, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Edit

While Riku was able to use the Kingdom Key because he temporarily had the stronger heart, it is still essentially Sora's Keyblade, as it chose him over Riku, and Sora reclaims it from Riku. I don't think we should really treat that differently from when Sora used the Way to the Dawn, Riku used the Oblivion, or Kairi used the "Kairi's" Keyblade.

For the naming, I was wanting to list the Keyblades that they have ever wielded, including those that actually belong to other Keybladers. The "x's" I was going to use to refer to those Keyblades, that belonged to others.Glorious CHAOS! 21:42, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Sora also shouldn't be excluded. Perhaps format Keyblade images like we do on Keyblade. We should also attempt to do this with Days Keyblades not only on this page for Roxas, but that page, as well. - EternalNothingnessXIII 21:46, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Removed from page

Terra battles Sora with this Keyblade in Kingdom Hearts II: Final Mix. Although it seems to be very powerful, he also takes the Kingdom Key in Kingdom Hearts II's secret movie. Because it lacks a chain, it is rumored to be a "false" Keyblade, however, this may only be speculation. Ven and Aqua also seem to have weapons like this one.

Terra's Keyblade displays powers that none of the others possess, in that it can transform into different weapons (either that or Terra has the power to transform it). It can change into a whip, a jet-ski like object, a fast spinning cog-like weapon, and a massive cannon, among other formations. It is unknown if Terra will have this ability in Birth By Sleep or if it only appears in his boss battle with Sora.

Terra is shown summoning his Keyblade differently than how most wielders do; his appears surrounded by translucent blocks in a flash of light, similar to how Roxas summons the Kingdom Key for the first time in the Simulated Twilight Town. The appearance of some of his attacks shown in Final Mix appear to be based on this.

Fittingly, Aqua wields a blue Keyblade (which has a slight resemblance to Oblivion). Like Terra's, it lacks a keychain. She prefers to use magic with it, as is shown in the secret ending, where she skillfully conjures Blizzard, Thunder, and Reflect. Her Keyblade is also seen along with her empty, damaged armor in a new scene in Final Mix. Whether or not this Keyblade has a name is as of yet unknown.

Ventus's Keyblade is uniquely designed to be held in reverse (although, in the gameplay trailer, he is seen holding it the normal way). Like Terra and Aqua's, it lacks a keychain. The blade resembles that of the Two Become One, whilst the hilt bears a likeness to that of the Kingdom Key.

When Master Xehanort freezes Ven and drops him off the cliff in the Final Mix secret video, the Keyblade (which was frozen as well) shatters in half when it smashes into the rocks. Some theories speculate that when it shatters, one half (the handle) makes the Kingdom Key but this has been denied because in the video of Sunset Horizons Terra grabs the Kingdom Key while Ven grabs his own keyblade and the Way to the Dawn. It is unknown if this Keyblade has a name or not.

What power his Keyblade holds is shrouded in mystery; however, upon dropping Ven off of the cliff, he converts his Keyblade into an orb of dark energy, which is shot into the sky to summon Kingdom Hearts. His Keyblade possesses a keychain.

Images

While I really like having the Keyblades there, in order, for viewing, it stretches the page quite a bit. Can whoever knows how put the galleries within a "hide" box?Glorious CHAOS! 04:31, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

We should also include Sora's Keyblades with the same boxing technique. - EternalNothingnessXIII 08:57, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

The images are there, they just need to be formatted into the gallery.Glorious CHAOS! 18:50, November 20, 2009 (UTC)== Sora's Keyblades ==

I organized them by World, Character, Quest, for thematic organization, but if someone wants to reorg them by their inventory order, that would be fine.Glorious CHAOS! 20:43, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

Xehanort - Spoiler

As Xehanort (we, MX controlling Terra), Xehanort has the ability to manifest MX's Keyblade and use it, until he loses his memories. Should we perhaps mention this anywhere in the article? If we consider MX, Terra and Xehanort all separate entities, this is the normal Xehanort using a Keyblade now. Doreiku Kuroofangu 12:25, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Yen Sid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSqSHbI0E9w This video said that Yen Sid is a retired Keyblade Master and it seems that he know Master Erauqs and Master Xehanort. So that means he's a Keyblade Master. --Cococrash11 02:07, January 22, 2010 (UTC)Cococrash11

Template?

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Since we now have 12 known keyblade wielders, should we have one of those little template things at the bottom of there pages?

Not really, we already have enough templates at the bottom of article pages as it is. Also, creating a template about this would be redundant; the keyblade weilders are already on the individual templates (like Template:KH1 and such). Xion4ever Who am I? — 18:57, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

Rain Fall?

DoorToNothing — I dreamed last night... I got on the boat to Heaven! And by some chance, I had brought my dice along! — 05:56, March 16, 2010 (UTC) Why it is that the names of Keyblades in this article are italicized? I do not see any reason why they should be.

LevL Fear my mighty instruments! — 13:27, March 16, 2010 (UTC) Neither do I. Kryten did it, maybe we should ask him.

KrytenKoro - "An education was a bit like a communicable sexual disease. It made you unsuitable for a lot of jobs and then you had the urge to pass it on." TALK - Someone redid the page with quotation marks around all of it. I checked various sources to see what the standard was, and it looks like italics are the standard for proper-name artifacts (i.e., USS Eisenhower, etc.). I'm not too attached to it, so if you guys don't like it, go ahead and remove. I just couldn't stand the quotation marks.

Title

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 21:43, March 28, 2010 (UTC) I'm wondering if we could move this to "List of Keyblade wielders." Every time a term appears after the word Keyblade, especially "master," the first letter of the second word is always lowercase. I'd appreciate discussing this to make it more accurate to follow the pattern of the games.

Neumannz — Looks like I'm gonna have to jump...! TALK — I work alone! Except when I work with Xion...which is all the time. — 21:55, March 28, 2010 (UTC)   I would say keep it as is, just because it's the title article.

Lingering Sentiment

Eternal Nothingness XIII - You have to be strong. Strength of heart will carry you through the hardest of trials. TALK - What I do, I do for friendship. — 21:45, March 28, 2010 (UTC) I'm also wondering if we should add the Lingering Sentiment to the list. It technically is a Keyblade wielder, mere mind-possessed armor or not. It's also a separate entity from Terra, so a merge isn't the best choice in my opinion.

Eternal Nothingness XIII - Ven, Aqua... I'll find some way to make things right. TALK - This light... it's so warm. — 20:43, April 12, 2010 (UTC) So it's been almost a month... I sort of intended for us to discuss this.

Xabryn - I don't care if you're real!You're not better! TALK - It's nice to have darkness on my side.{{{time}}} Sorry, I agree with you we should add LS to it since it is a keyblade master

I wouldn't say that LS is a Keyblade Master. Terra never became a master, so the part of his consciousness that enveloped his armor and made LS shouldn't be a master either. Just saying. KyrianXVII

Destiny Place

Grandene - All the time in the world. TALK - 15:20, April 17, 2010 (UTC) Under Kairi's Keyblades, should it really be called Riku's Destiny Place? After Birth by Sleep we know that the Destiny Place keychain has at least some sort of attachment to her, so its entirely possible that Riku was just holding on to the keyblade for her. At the very least, there's been no confirmation as to who really 'owns' that Destiny Place, so it might be best to just take out 'Riku's.'

KrytenKoro - "Hey, I want to settle down. And as soon as I find the right small group of girls, the seven or eight women who are right for me, my wandering days are over, buddy." TALK - It's based on her, but it's not her Keyblade. Just like Sora's Oathkeeper is based on Kairi, but it's his Oathkeeper.

Roxas

ShadowsTwilight - He's leaving you behind, and when you catch up, he'll be a different person TALK - HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Do ya think we should have Roxas' Image his Days image since thats how he was wielding a majority of his keyblads?

Adding A Master?

I was reading another page on this site (it may have been Armor (Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep) and it talks about the Lingering Sentiment's battle with Sora. It says that the Sentiment mistakes Sora for Aqua, Ven, Riku and Xehanort. After he fights with and loses to Sora, it says that the Lingering Sentiment realizes he attacked the wrong person and acknowledged him as a Keyblade Master. Since the Lingering Sentiment considers Sora a Master, should he be included here as a Master? Just bringing it to attention. KyrianXVII 03:37, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Just because Lingering Sentiment consider Sora a master doesn't mean that Sora is a master... - JTD95 12:39, August 16, 2010 (UTC)