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Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | Not really, no. Not once did you make even the semblance of addressing that the incident was not ideal, instead derailing into pure whataboutery and ad hominems (and not even against NS). You may choose to view it as "being asked to apologize for something you didn't do", when we had actually agreed we just wanted you to agree that the incident was obviously not part of an ideal world and that we should find a way to make sure it did not happen again. As long as you want to talk about "magical audacity" -- it's part of the site rules the community agreed to, and it's a process ''I myself'' have contritely submitted to for far lesser infractions. | ||
I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was an attack on her. It's very unimpressive that you continue to try to paint it as perfectly friendly "taps on the shoulder asking what time it is" -- you know damn well you were trying to hurt her feelings, and you know damn well you didn't have even the barest shred of "this must be done to get articles written" to justify it. I don't really care whether you feel shame or seek atonement, and I think I made that clear in the discussion - I care that you're grown up enough to concede that the behavior should not happen again, and focus on de-escalating instead of constantly getting into pissing contests. | I hope you can eventually be honest and stop pretending your overt, non-constructive and non-wiki-related tirade against Ninja was not an attack on her. It's very unimpressive that you continue to try to paint it as perfectly friendly "taps on the shoulder asking what time it is" -- you know damn well you were trying to hurt her feelings, and you know damn well you didn't have even the barest shred of "this must be done to get articles written" to justify it. I don't really care whether you feel shame or seek atonement, and I think I made that clear in the discussion - I care that you're grown up enough to concede that the behavior should not happen again, and focus on de-escalating instead of constantly getting into pissing contests. | ||
"Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | "Smart and rational" thing would be, at the bare minimum, proposing a way to keep the incident from happening again, not devolving into bizarre insults and glorifying the incident as some kind of last stand against tyranny. I'm not going to even try to suggest that it would still work at this point -- while I'm committed to always extending new chances to someone who makes the meanest attempt at compromise, you may very well have burned your bridges with the rest of the community. I dunno. We'll see or we won't, but if there ''is'' a way forward, it would be absolutely contingent on you at least admitting there is an issue in the first place.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
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Screw it. Debating this is doing no one any good. It's exhausting. So all interested parties, just....tell me what you want, and you'll have it. :( I can't get anything done like this. Even the Unchained updates have suffered. I'm swallowing my pride and dignity here. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 02:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC) | Screw it. Debating this is doing no one any good. It's exhausting. So all interested parties, just....tell me what you want, and you'll have it. :( I can't get anything done like this. Even the Unchained updates have suffered. I'm swallowing my pride and dignity here. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 02:16, 3 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
:As someone who has watched this entire chain of events unfold and stood by watching things play out, I say this: First, you need to apologize to NinjaShiek even if you feel as though you've done nothing wrong. That's what this has been about, a genuine apology. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC) | :As someone who has watched this entire chain of events unfold and stood by watching things play out, I say this: First, you need to apologize to NinjaShiek even if you feel as though you've done nothing wrong. That's what this has been about, a genuine apology. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:12, 3 June 2016 (UTC) | ||
::I can't imagine that's all. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 03:03, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Oh it's not. I just figured I'd list them incrementally. You know, baby steps. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 03:49, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::What you need to do, is work on your behavior and make sure this doesn't happen again. You don't have to become friends with everyone, but you should be able to talk to everyone in a normal way. We had already agreed on banning you for one year before this escalated again, but you should be happy if we even allow you back after all this. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 12:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::You know what? This isn't fucking worth it. Kissing all of your asses regarding a perceived slight from an over-sensitive and entitled little bitch who you ALL KNOW takes everything insanely seriously, dramatically and personally. A woman who lives and breathes drama and has done nothing but made a mockery of everyone here. And you know that. Denying it is practically accepting the Earth as fucking flat. And you want me to apologize for pointing out the obvious. Grovel over something she ''perceived'' as a slight - as she does fucking everything. And all for what? So I can be banned for a whole year? Man, lucky me. What a golly good deal that is! Sure. Let me go right ahead and get on that. I'll be sure to atone for everything you all think is a sin every second of time spent! Fuck. You. You want to know what your little "agreement" amounts to? What my ban amounts to? This: I'm going to log out. Then, I'm going to switcheroo my IP, create a brand spanking new account, ''then continue doing whatever the fuck I want''. You should be so godamn lucky that "whatever the fuck I want" doesn't constitute trolling, or vandalism, or anything else overall destructive to this wiki. I'm going to continue making improvements that I feel are necessary. I'm going to continue consulting with the rest of the members over what needs tweaking. In short, ''nothing will change''. I'm not even going to give you the privilege of knowing that it's ''me''. So there. I was banned for "intimidating behavior", so I figured I'd actually try and live up to that. Now, what can you all do about my decision? ''Not a godamn thing''. Ban me? Oh goodie - I'll just switch up my IP again. No biggie. You're gonna close new member registration? Well, good luck with that as you'll be defeating the entire fucking purpose of the wiki, ''effectively killing it''. Like I said - be glad that I prefer constructive contributions. I have it completely within me to simply ''ask'' the folks from KHInsider and Gamefaqs to stroll on over here and make your lives ''VERY'' fun. Want to know what? - NinjaSheik -. She's ''that loved'' by the rest of the community. So with that, do whatever the fuck you want. --[[User:Webber22|Webber22]] ([[User talk:Webber22|talk]]) 14:22, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Okay, can an admin make the ban permanant? He's in complete denial about his offences, is still ''continuing'' his aggression, made it perfectly clear he's not interested in changing and for added flavour, he thought it would be cool to intimidate everyone by making threats. It wasn't even an apology we were looking for, it was a recognition for his mistakes. {{User:TheFifteenthMember/Sig1}} 15:15, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Dude, the fact is, we have rules. If you break 'em, we need to enforce them. As long as you continue to break our rules, you will continue to be banned. However I do hope that when you come back, you will have realized the fault in your actions. [[User:Rex Ronald Rilander|Rex Ronald Rilander]] ([[User talk:Rex Ronald Rilander|talk]]) 02:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC) | |||
::He was already perma-banned, but he could still edit his talk page, until now. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:18, 5 June 2016 (UTC) | |||