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+'''AS A REMINDER''': KH3 is not scheduled to come out until January 2019. As of now, that's in about seven months. That's the same time frame where KH2 trailers still showed scenes in KH1 Hollow Bastion, and just about two months after the KH1 E3 trailer was showing gameplay in Disney Castle. The trailers ''still'' state that they do not represent a final product. ''Please be honest'' when adding material to KH3-related pages.
 ==Guys==
 I remember a confirmation that Olympus Coliseum will be included (again...). But I'm not 100% sure on the source where it's stated (and I don't even have a link for it). {{Uxie/Sig}} 10:44, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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 ::I'd like to add to the first point that Flynn's real name isn't even Flynn Rider. His name is actually "Eugene Fitzherbert", and if that name does end up in the game somewhere, that's what we should call the page, according to our rules (see [[Squall Leonhart]] or [[Daisukenojo Bito]]). So until we get a release, we can't know what to call the page. And if people keep on edit warring about it, I'm locking the template again. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 16:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
-==Jiminy?==
+==Jimmny?==
-When Jiminy was confirmed?--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.177|93.150.192.177]] 19:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
+When Jimmny was confirmed?--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.177|93.150.192.177]] 19:57, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 :In the interview linked on the page, it is said the Classic Kingdom minigames are accessible through Jiminy's Journal. So I guess that confirms him. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
+==Troll Rock source==
+Here: I don't know how to place the link, but here the confirmation: https://gamingbolt.com/kingdom-hearts-3-new-screenshot-showcased-rock-troll-will-be-a-mid-boss--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.199|93.150.192.199]] 14:33, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
+:Thank you. I added the link as hidden text on the gallery page. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:25, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
+== Meow Wow Link ==
+Just saw the video from one of the YouTubers for this segment. The Dream Eater that appears isn't Meow Wow, it's Flowbermeow, isn't it? I've not played KH3D, but from what I can tell, this is supposed to be Flowbermeow. But I want to check and make sure. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 00:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
+:Is Meow Wow, Flowbermeow is magenta with a flower in the tail. Meow Wow summon others DE: Pricklemane, Komory Bat, Ghostabucky, Tama Sheep, Escarglow, Lord Kyroo and Tubguin Ace--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.199|93.150.192.199]] 09:26, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
+:[http://kh13.com/forum/gallery/image/50505-3350800-kh3-d23-japan-battle-screenshot-16-1518440973/ This] looks like Meow Wow to me, although it might be possible you can summon other Dream Eaters as well. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 09:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
+==Party Members==
+Jack Sparrow is a party member in the game, as the trailer introducing the return of the ''Pirates of the Caribbean'' cast shows his HUD several times. {{Uxie/Sig}} 14:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
+:Taken care of. -[[User:Adv193|Adv193]] ([[User talk:Adv193|talk]]) 17:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
+::Trailers are not valid.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
+:::"Trailers are not valid." - Again, stop generalizing that EVERY Trailer is not valid especially when it comes to worlds and characters that are set to appear in the game AND if the game is close to release. We've come a long way since the first trailers released back in 2013/2015, so I see no reason to have them removed on the template all because of "seen in trailers", "Not mentioned in articles and interviews".--[[Special:Contributions/73.76.130.254|73.76.130.254]] 14:50, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
+== Aqua ==
+Let's not jump to aqua being a seeker of darkness. tetsuya nomura said "that doesn't mean she cannot be saved". there's still a chance she will be saved and join the final battle. [[User:Kingdom210|Kingdom210]] ([[User talk:Kingdom210|talk]]) 21:06, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
+:Agreed. I don't think nomura ever said she was a seeker of darkness. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 22:25, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
+::He did say she fell to darkness.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
+:::Falling to darkness doesn't have to mean she became one of the seekers. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 21:26, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
+== Wreck-It Ralph ==
+:36:10 is blatantly not being spoken as an authority confirming what's in the game -- he in fact explicitly states that he was unaware Ralph was in the game, and was told by friends.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
+==Seekers of Darkness link==
+@TheSilentHero Frankly, I have to respectfully disagree with you with you preferred preference. I feel it doesn't make sense to have certain pages with re-directs instead of having a piped link in particular with the Seekers of Darkness redirecting to the [[Real Organization XIII]] page it just feels off putting. Secondly I doesn't make sense to just wait for the game to officially come out especially if its a month or 2-3 weeks before the official game's release to split the Seekers of Darkness to its own page.--[[Special:Contributions/73.76.130.254|73.76.130.254]] 19:04, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
+:What difference is there? Both ways you'll click on the link Seekers of Darkness, and end up on the Real Organization XIII page. We're using redirects over piped links everywhere. I really don't know why you're having a problem with this one. And just to clarify, it's not certain that we're going to split the page, but if we would, we wouldn't have to change the links. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 20:12, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
+::As far as the SoD, BbS and KH3D indicate that "Seeker of Darkness" is a title outside of the Organization -- Xehanort, as a young Keyblade Master, became a "Seeker", so from that and its mentions separate from the organization in KH3 material, it seems that it may have some other lineage (for example, perhaps relating to Luxu and the Gazing Eye). In effect, all RO13 members are Seekers, but not all Seekers would be RO13 members.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 20:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
+== From new press releases ==
+;Sora through the skies of San Fransokyo with Baymax in Kingdom Hearts III
+*San Fransokyo
+*Baymax
+*Hiro Hamada
+*Honey Lemon
+*Go Go Tomago
+*Wasabi No-Ginger
+*Fred
+*Gummiphone
+;New Kingdom Hearts III Trailer Reveals Pirates of the Caribbean (talks about trailer, but written by SE Senior Manager for Product Marketing)
+*Captain Jack Sparrow
+*Hector Barbossa
+*Tia Dalma
+*Joshamee Gibbs
+Also, trailers are still stating: "This trailer represents a game currently in development. Subject to change."
+All I can find for now{{unsigned|KrytenKoro}}
+==Zexion?==
+Where did you see or have the confirmation about Zexion? In the trailer just Ienzo appeared, never Zexion--[[Special:Contributions/186.237.43.43|186.237.43.43]] 01:10, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
+:It's there unlinked because it is a mentioned, not necessarily appearing character -- like Axel, Bill Turner, and (outside of trailers) Davy Jones and Randall.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:17, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+::Where Zexion was mentioned?--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.213|93.150.192.213]] 15:08, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+== San Fransokyo added to official site ==
+;Named
+*Baymax
+*Fred
+*Wasabi
+*GoGo
+*Honey Lemon
+*Hiro
+;Mentioned
+*"Big Hero 6"
+*"Figure of Riku clad in a black coat" (phrasing used implies it's not Riku proper, but someone using his appearance)
+{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:45, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+== To-dos ==
+* Move Marshmallow and Baymax to Party Members
+* Add Big Hero 6 cast
+* Proper link to Randall
+* Not sure why Axel, Bill Turner, Davy Jones, Roxas, Zexion are unlinked
+* Change Big Hero 6 world to San Fransokyo
+Stuff above should be done by anyone who can edit this template. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 14:09, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+:I've added Baymax and the characters from Big Hero 6 to the template in their appropriate locations, and replaced Big Hero 6 with San Fransokyo. I'd hold off on Marshmellow because we're not sure exactly how he will be engaged in the party (as I recall, Nomura seemed to have implied back at E3 that it wouldn't join the party the same way Woody, Baymax, etc. would. Randall still has no known official name (could be Randy or Randall Boggs), so I'll leave it be for now. Bill Turner hasn't been referenced at all, so I don't know where he's coming from, and I don't know why Zexion is there right now, but with the mess that is returning Organization members, I'd say we wait and see before making changes there. {{KeybladeSpyMaster/Sig}} 16:00, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+::Bill Turner: [https://images.khinsider.com/2018%20Uploads/06/Famitsu/Famitsu05.png]
+::James P. Sulley Sullivan: [https://www.polygon.com/2018/2/10/16998738/kingdom-hearts-3-monsters-inc-world-pixar-d23-expo-japan-trailer], [https://www.khinsider.com/news/New-Kingdom-Hearts-3-screenshots-show-Monster-s-Inc-Riku-and-Toy-Story-11183]
+::Zexion: [https://images.khinsider.com/2018%20Uploads/06/Famitsu/Famitsu08.png]
+::This is why I wasted all that time keeping exact notes with sources... :(
+{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:47, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+:::GoGo is parsed incorrectly (via official site).
+:::Randall has not been named by any source whatsoever. Not even the trailers, as far as I can tell.
+:::As mentioned above, unlinked names are for mentioned-but-not-confirmed-appearing characters.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 21:49, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+::Marshmallow has a HUD in the TGS trailer for the shown boss battle, which implies he joins somewhere in Arendale's storyline. {{Uxie/Sig}} 05:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
+::::What exactly say about Zexion? I don't know japanese--[[Special:Contributions/93.150.192.213|93.150.192.213]] 23:16, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
+https://images.khinsider.com/2018%20Uploads/10/KH3%20Weekly%20Shonen%20Jump.jpeg
+*Pegasus
+*Coliseum
+*Titans
+*Another Twilight Town (i.e. "Simulated Twilight Town")
+official site (100 acre wood page):
+*Merlin (mentioned)
+== Mysterious Tower ==
+It is apparently called "The Mysterious Tower" now.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 19:02, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
+== Saix ==
+someone here should add Saix to the template since he's a seeker of darkness. [[User:Kingdom210|Kingdom210]] ([[User talk:Kingdom210|talk]]) 19:25, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
+== More to-dos ==
+* Add Pegasus and Scrooge to NPCs
+* Move Marshmallow to Party Members (he's seen in even more footage to be a party member)
+* Move Riku from NPCs to Party Members
+* Add Scala ad Caelum and Keyblade Graveyard to Worlds [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 14:41, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
+:Do we have sources (other than the trailers) for those? {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 15:01, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
+::Pegasus is seen in the magazine scan if you scroll above, but if you're trying to somehow imply that videos and trailers do not count as sources, then I find that ridiculous in the 21st century. If you use the argument "it's in a video trailer, so it's not a valid source because it may change in the final game", then you could apply the same logic to magazine interviews and magazine scans, as beta screenshots and unfinalized information have been shown in magazines for many games in the past. Videos are still official published material by Square Enix. I doubt they're just going to remove everything I listed above in the final release. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 15:17, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
+:::I believe we've already talked about this, but our policy is to not use information from trailers. It may not make a lot of sense to you, but it's only a little over a month before the game releases and we can allow all information from the game. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 18:16, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
+:::::It sure does not make a lot of sense, but fine, I'll wait. [[User:Soroxas|Soroxas]] ([[User talk:Soroxas|talk]]) 18:28, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
+== Riku and Aqua ==
+Do you think Riku and Aqua should be added into the top slot (where Sora, Donald, and Goofy are), because they're playable?
+Granted they're not playable for any long length of time, but neither is Roxas in KH2 nor Lingering Will in BBS and they're still in the top slot area? [[User:BuddyFaith|BuddyFaith]] ([[User talk:BuddyFaith|talk]]) 07:43, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
+:Works for me.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 13:35, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
+== Remaking the World ==
+This term or phrase is never used in the Kingdom Hearts series, but it is my understanding it is featured on the official Kingdom Hearts website. I'm having difficulty finding where on the site it is used, is anybody able to specify where this is? Additionally, is this enough to justify it's presence in the KH3 drop-box and the creation of a page for it? - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 14:42, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
+:It's the official name on the JP site for Xehanort's in-game plan.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 16:13, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
+::Please forgive my ignorance, but I am having trouble finding this term on the Japanese Kingdom Hearts page. Would you be able to specifically identify where it is and how the term is used? Again, does that really necessitate it's presence on this wiki? I'd like to open this to further discussion or a vote, if possible. - [[User:Joveus|Joveus]] ([[User talk:Joveus|talk]]) 14:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
+:::It's on the description page for the Organization members, and yes, per the wiki's fundamental scope, that necessitates its presence on the wiki. It literally cannot be excluded from the wiki without a community-wide discussion agreeing to change our founding scope.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 15:56, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
+::::I'm a bit conflicted on this. On one hand, it is mentioned as a term on the Japanese site, on the other, it's never mentioned in any of the games, and there's not much information to go on. Maybe we can cover it as a section on another page, like [[Real Organization XIII]] or [[Dark Seeker Saga]]. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 17:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)
+:::::Sure. Still need a redirect article for it though.{{User:KrytenKoro/Sig}} 04:24, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
+==Black Pearl==
+Why is the Black Pearl in the Gameplay Terms section? I know the mission objective during the maelstrom fight is to "free the Black Pearl from the Kraken" and earlier, you get to helm the ship for a moment before the Leviathan, so there is some Gameplay involved. However, I feel like the time it's a gameplay element is miniscule compared to the number of times it's referenced to (like the characters saying "Port Royal") so it should be placed in the "Terms" section. Also, the current BP link sends you to Port Royal World page from KH2 :l Should we create another page like [[Leviathan]] for the Black Pearl, then? {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 03:48, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
+:Once you've fully leveled the Leviathan, you can also sail the Black Pearl. {{User:TheSilentHero/Sig}} 07:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
+::I better hurry up and start catching more crabs! Thank you for clarification! {{User:ANX219/Sig}} 07:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)